Retailer claim returned parcel not received

Retailer claim returned parcel not received

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snuffy

9,924 posts

285 months

Wednesday 15th May
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I can understand ordering 1 pair, lets say size 7, and if they are a bit big, sending them back and ordering a 6 instead. Or if they are a bit small, sending them back, and ordering an 8.

But I'd not order say sizes 3,4,5,6,7,8 and 9, and then selecting the appropriate size, and sending the other 7 pairs back.


Simpo Two

85,784 posts

266 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Crudeoink said:
You lot are really showing your age lol. Buying lots of sizes and fits and sending the rest back (usually free of charge) is how a lot of online shopping is done nowadays.
It may be good for courier companies but sending back 87% of stuff you buy is a ridiculous way to shop if you think about it. It just means prices go up to pay for all the couriers and staff putting things into boxes then taking them out of boxes.

Chuffedmonkey

919 posts

107 months

Wednesday 15th May
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I am more surprised it didn't flag as fraud? That amount of trainers ordered on potentially 1 transaction would surely be a red flag. It happened to my wife in the past and she didn't order them.

Saying that the OP probably did get an approve message from his banking App.

aterribleusername

311 posts

64 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Crudeoink said:
You lot are really showing your age lol. Buying lots of sizes and fits and sending the rest back (usually free of charge) is how a lot of online shopping is done nowadays.
The retailers hate it, lots of the returns go straight in the bin too. A few investigations have exposed it as a massive waste and open to people abusing it by returning items they've used once then sent back for a refund. It just ratchets up costs and waste that ends up being paid for by everyone.

poo at Paul's

14,187 posts

176 months

Wednesday 15th May
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All you do by adding insurance is to identify the parcels Postman Plod should target for "getting lost".

With 1200 sheets in play, would have been best to take a day off and drive them to the returns centre.

Andy86GT

346 posts

66 months

Thursday 16th May
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Wacky Racer said:
This really winds me up, ordering eight pairs and sending seven back, a couple of pairs maybe?

Go in a shoe shop ffs!

Women do this with dresses, go to a wedding in it and send it back

However, I blame the firms for being a soft touch.
Agreed, although it would appear not a soft touch in this case.

snuffy

9,924 posts

285 months

Thursday 16th May
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Muzzer79 said:
As someone with experience of freight claims, this is good advice.

You have provided evidence of delivery via the carrier. To claim that the signatory "doesn't work there" is amateurish at best - you are obligated to return it to an address, not to a specific person. Who works there is their problem, not yours.
But, saying the signatory "doesn't work there" would be a very valid reason to say you never received it.



pavarotti1980

4,988 posts

85 months

Thursday 16th May
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Only on here could this become the problem of the OP for "ordering too much". You have to laugh.
If businesses don't like don't have an online presence.

As a side note the days of free delivery and returns are long gone. I ordered a pair of walking trousers with £4.99 which were identical size to the ones I have in a different colour. Couldn't get them over my thighs and then got stung for another £4.99 delivery fee for the return

Weso

456 posts

205 months

Thursday 16th May
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pavarotti1980 said:
Only on here could this become the problem of the OP for "ordering too much". You have to laugh.
If businesses don't like don't have an online presence.

As a side note the days of free delivery and returns are long gone. I ordered a pair of walking trousers with £4.99 which were identical size to the ones I have in a different colour. Couldn't get them over my thighs and then got stung for another £4.99 delivery fee for the return
User name checks out.

Griffith4ever

4,360 posts

36 months

Thursday 16th May
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pavarotti1980 said:
Only on here could this become the problem of the OP for "ordering too much". You have to laugh.
If businesses don't like don't have an online presence.

As a side note the days of free delivery and returns are long gone. I ordered a pair of walking trousers with £4.99 which were identical size to the ones I have in a different colour. Couldn't get them over my thighs and then got stung for another £4.99 delivery fee for the return
It's a tough one as saying "don't have an online presence" pretty much means your business is a non starter these days. It's the distance sellers act that ties our hands (I'm an online retailer). I can ship items to clients (large and heavy) and they can send them back within 14 days for no good reason and its a huge pain in the arse. It all has to be repacked to look like brand new.

I have it in my T&Cs that they pay the shipping for a non-fault return - you can elect to do that.

Hey, if a business model is set up to account for the return shipping of £1000's of worth of shoes, bully for them, but you surely must be paying extra for those shoes to cover that cost. Shipping isn't free, unless they are making the customer pay, and even then, everything needs to be checkled over to make sure its fit for resale. Just look at all the reviews on Amazon along the lines of "Definitely NOT a new product!!".

Seems the market is correctiing itself now that the online retailers have the monopoly and can pass on the return charge. (p.s. if you can find ANY fault with the product then the retailer pays the postage)

I think with your trousers mate - go to a shop - that's the only real reason for shops to still exist now. A place to try things on before buying.

TheDrownedApe

1,049 posts

57 months

Thursday 16th May
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OP i suggest you do a chargeback as the retailer isn't going to back down.

I sent a pair of Nike back after about 5 months, received tracking saying they had received it but then nothing for 14 days. i contacted them and, thankfully, they acknowledged they had received them but then lost them. It took about 3 weeks for me to get a gift card for the original value.

i imagine most of the "go to shoe shop" brigade are happy with normal shop stock. For those of us that want or need specialist footwear such as Hoka or midsole enhanced footwear "going to a shoe shop" isn't an option as they don't stock them.

If i lived near a major city i could go to their own shop but that isn't an option. the only choice is to order online and try it on at home. I must also point out that sending them back is never free.


pavarotti1980

4,988 posts

85 months

Thursday 16th May
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Weso said:
User name checks out.
Does it?.....

Griffith4ever said:
It's a tough one as saying "don't have an online presence" pretty much means your business is a non starter these days. It's the distance sellers act that ties our hands (I'm an online retailer). I can ship items to clients (large and heavy) and they can send them back within 14 days for no good reason and its a huge pain in the arse. It all has to be repacked to look like brand new.

I have it in my T&Cs that they pay the shipping for a non-fault return - you can elect to do that.

Hey, if a business model is set up to account for the return shipping of £1000's of worth of shoes, bully for them, but you surely must be paying extra for those shoes to cover that cost. Shipping isn't free, unless they are making the customer pay, and even then, everything needs to be checkled over to make sure its fit for resale. Just look at all the reviews on Amazon along the lines of "Definitely NOT a new product!!".

Seems the market is correctiing itself now that the online retailers have the monopoly and can pass on the return charge. (p.s. if you can find ANY fault with the product then the retailer pays the postage)

I think with your trousers mate - go to a shop - that's the only real reason for shops to still exist now. A place to try things on before buying.
I did go to a shop, they didn't stock them so ordered direct from the manufacturer.

The original point of it somehow being the OPs fault stands for the reason you state. If the retailer allows it then that's their business model

Edited by pavarotti1980 on Thursday 16th May 10:06

Paul Dishman

4,728 posts

238 months

Thursday 16th May
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£1200 on plimsolls? yikes

Silverage

2,050 posts

131 months

Thursday 16th May
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Griffith4ever said:
It's a tough one as saying "don't have an online presence" pretty much means your business is a non starter these days. It's the distance sellers act that ties our hands (I'm an online retailer). I can ship items to clients (large and heavy) and they can send them back within 14 days for no good reason and its a huge pain in the arse. It all has to be repacked to look like brand new.

I have it in my T&Cs that they pay the shipping for a non-fault return - you can elect to do that.

Hey, if a business model is set up to account for the return shipping of £1000's of worth of shoes, bully for them, but you surely must be paying extra for those shoes to cover that cost. Shipping isn't free, unless they are making the customer pay, and even then, everything needs to be checkled over to make sure its fit for resale. Just look at all the reviews on Amazon along the lines of "Definitely NOT a new product!!".

Seems the market is correctiing itself now that the online retailers have the monopoly and can pass on the return charge. (p.s. if you can find ANY fault with the product then the retailer pays the postage)

I think with your trousers mate - go to a shop - that's the only real reason for shops to still exist now. A place to try things on before buying.
I sell online too and have similar about charging for no fault returns. It's a fine line to tread though - push it too hard and suddenly faults start to appear and then it's a double whammy, I have to pay for the return postage to get a (now) damaged item back.

Griffith4ever

4,360 posts

36 months

Thursday 16th May
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Silverage said:
Griffith4ever said:
It's a tough one as saying "don't have an online presence" pretty much means your business is a non starter these days. It's the distance sellers act that ties our hands (I'm an online retailer). I can ship items to clients (large and heavy) and they can send them back within 14 days for no good reason and its a huge pain in the arse. It all has to be repacked to look like brand new.

I have it in my T&Cs that they pay the shipping for a non-fault return - you can elect to do that.

Hey, if a business model is set up to account for the return shipping of £1000's of worth of shoes, bully for them, but you surely must be paying extra for those shoes to cover that cost. Shipping isn't free, unless they are making the customer pay, and even then, everything needs to be checkled over to make sure its fit for resale. Just look at all the reviews on Amazon along the lines of "Definitely NOT a new product!!".

Seems the market is correctiing itself now that the online retailers have the monopoly and can pass on the return charge. (p.s. if you can find ANY fault with the product then the retailer pays the postage)

I think with your trousers mate - go to a shop - that's the only real reason for shops to still exist now. A place to try things on before buying.
I sell online too and have similar about charging for no fault returns. It's a fine line to tread though - push it too hard and suddenly faults start to appear and then it's a double whammy, I have to pay for the return postage to get a (now) damaged item back.
Ha! tricksy buggers! Luckily my items are huge and they fall at the 1st hurdle of packaging if they've discarded mine. Its extremely rare for me to get a return luckily. I had one guy play the "not fit for purpose" game on me as he'd changed his mind. I quite plainly told him" that's not going to wash with me". Problem went away :-)

as for other replies - I'm not blaming the OP in any way (the law is on his side 100%), just agreed with someone else that its unsustainable / uneconomical for everyone to buy a handful of items with the intention of only keeping one.

WhyNotEh

Original Poster:

120 posts

62 months

Thursday 16th May
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Thanks for all replies chaps

The reason I ordered 8 pairs was because my holiday was imminent and I needed a few pairs - my intention was to keep more pairs, but the pictures online and how they looked in real life were v different!

The retailer has an online presence only, there is no physical shop which I could have visited to try them on.

The return cost me £55 in total, with ~£38 of that being the extra level of cover.


I contacted Parcelforce yesterday to query the parcel tracking, and was initially told that the parcel had been loaded onto the van, taken on the route, and then returned to the depot on the same day. I told a search request would be raised to locate the parcel at the depot, and I could collect it once found.

A few minutes later the call was returned, and I was told that the parcel had in fact been delivered correctly, and that I should raise a Parcelforce claim if it had not been received by the retailer. I requested photo, GPS coordinates of delivery, and written confirmation that the parcel was delivered to the right place, but this couldn't be provided due to GDPR (17 other parcels were delivered at the same time). The lady on the phone advised me to make an online Parcelforce claim several times during the call.


I contacted retailer again with this information who replied with:

As the online tracking did not contain much information, we phoned Parcel force customer services and they advised they did not have an electronic POD but contacted the Manchester depot on our behalf. The response from the Manchester Depot was that the parcel was delivered along with a number of others to the fulfilment centre on XYZ St, Manchester, *correct postcode*. However after they reviewed the tracking numbers of the other parcels delivered at the same time they were addressed to Company X, 2 XYZ St, Manchester, *correct postcode*. Our address is Company A, 40-42 XYZ Street, Manchester *correct postcode*. Therefore it has become apparent that the carrier has mis-delivered the parcel and we have indeed not received the return."


My parcel was addressed to Company A, 40-42 XYZ Street, Manchester *correct postcode*

megaphone

10,790 posts

252 months

Thursday 16th May
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Did you have a good holiday?

Crudeoink

498 posts

60 months

Thursday 16th May
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Wacky Racer said:
I bet you don't carry cash either, have a landline or have a spare wheel on your car.

Kids eh?

smile
Hahahaha spot on! I carry tubes and tyre levers for my motorbike though so maybe thats a sign im getting old too beer

havoc

30,219 posts

236 months

Thursday 16th May
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WhyNotEh said:
I contacted retailer again with this information who replied with:

As the online tracking did not contain much information, we phoned Parcel force customer services and they advised they did not have an electronic POD but contacted the Manchester depot on our behalf. The response from the Manchester Depot was that the parcel was delivered along with a number of others to the fulfilment centre on XYZ St, Manchester, *correct postcode*. However after they reviewed the tracking numbers of the other parcels delivered at the same time they were addressed to Company X, 2 XYZ St, Manchester, *correct postcode*. Our address is Company A, 40-42 XYZ Street, Manchester *correct postcode*. Therefore it has become apparent that the carrier has mis-delivered the parcel and we have indeed not received the return."


My parcel was addressed to Company A, 40-42 XYZ Street, Manchester *correct postcode*
Then you're probably screwed.

IF you made them aware that time was of the essence in confirming the return, then you may have a chance of small claims court for your losses (against the retailer not PF), but otherwise I'm not sure what you can do - PF are very unlikely to cough up if you've not complied with their T&Cs.

vaud

50,779 posts

156 months

Thursday 16th May
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Crudeoink said:
You lot are really showing your age lol. Buying lots of sizes and fits and sending the rest back (usually free of charge) is how a lot of online shopping is done nowadays.
And it's a model that is going to be slowly withdrawn or as the returns are hurting margins.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/10/m...