Am I an international child abductor??

Am I an international child abductor??

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paintman

7,713 posts

192 months

Thursday 9th January 2020
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Appalling.
Does she actually want him - other than to use him as a stick to beat you with?

Petrus1983 said:
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Overnight there were developments. In the states an attorney has petitioned a court to order my ex to speed up the passport process and collect her son
What was the order of the court & could she be held to be in breach?

Feirny

2,540 posts

149 months

Thursday 9th January 2020
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Does your son fly alone to and from the States, or is he chaperoned?

Cyberprog

2,204 posts

185 months

Thursday 9th January 2020
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Why not just apply for custody here in the UK - she can fly here and deal with it if she feels so strongly.

Clearly she doesn't want your son, her behaviour shows that. You want your son as you were willing to get him over here for xmas.

Petrus1983

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8,979 posts

164 months

Thursday 9th January 2020
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Feirny said:
Does your son fly alone to and from the States, or is he chaperoned?
United will fly him alone but I’m extremely uncomfortable with that - he’s 5 and it’s the best part of a 12 hour flight.

Kev_Mk3

2,836 posts

97 months

Thursday 9th January 2020
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Granted not my child and don't know the back story on how you separated, terms etc or why she became a thunderc**t over night about it all.

You've done all you can she is being the bellend over it all. I would just get legal representation here and start proceedings, in the mean while for your and your sons sanity get him in a school or something get some stability round him.

As I said its simple for me to say but putting it into practice is different.

good luck regardless.

Rick101

6,977 posts

152 months

Thursday 9th January 2020
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I'm amazed it has gotten this far and you are so keen to keep paying out on her whims.
Personally, I would have just done nothing but impeded nothing either.
What if you didn't have £500 spare?

Matt_N

8,906 posts

204 months

Thursday 9th January 2020
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Petrus1983 said:
Feirny said:
Does your son fly alone to and from the States, or is he chaperoned?
United will fly him alone but I’m extremely uncomfortable with that - he’s 5 and it’s the best part of a 12 hour flight.
I hope you get this sorted out.

My lad has just turned 5, completely with you that I wouldn’t want him flying alone, that’s mad.

GC8

19,910 posts

192 months

Thursday 9th January 2020
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bhes are mental

Kiribati268

570 posts

139 months

Thursday 9th January 2020
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Petrus1983 said:
United will fly him alone but I’m extremely uncomfortable with that - he’s 5 and it’s the best part of a 12 hour flight.
Just read through and wish you the best OP. Sounds like a mess frown

but working in the aviation industry, i'll offer the below;

Airlines don't let under 14s fly alone. End of.

Anyone under this age have to pay for an un-accompanied minor service, which they are escorted to the gate, onto the aircraft and the purser is responsible for them, and then upon arrival, ground staff meet the child and escort them to arrivals to an appropriate adult.

While they are 'alone' the purser and the crew are aware of their situation, and they have attention throughout the flight. UMs are not even allowed to sit next to a person of opposite sex. It's heavily regulated, especially in the UK.

It's fairly common, I see this everyday, but i'll admit, not at an age as low as this, usually 8-13.

I hope you work this out, but i'm just here to say that when this is sorted, don't worry about the flight, it's all covered under the UM service.

Of course their emotions I can't cover, leaving a 5 year old away from anyone they know along a 12 hour flight would be heartbreaking, but you have been forced into this situation.

Petrus1983

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8,979 posts

164 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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Thanks Kiribati - it’s kind of you to take the time for that reassurance.

anonymous-user

56 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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Kiribati268 said:
Petrus1983 said:
United will fly him alone but I’m extremely uncomfortable with that - he’s 5 and it’s the best part of a 12 hour flight.
Stuff?,,,
escort them to arrivals to an appropriate adult.
And if an 'appropriate adult' doesn't bother to show up ? Then what ?

Hope you get it sorted ok Petrus.

vaud

50,962 posts

157 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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speedyguy said:
And if an 'appropriate adult' doesn't bother to show up ? Then what ?
Presumably child services / police.

wiliferus

4,078 posts

200 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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Petrus1983 said:
I think I’m going to try and find an international lawyer in the morning and see if they’re prepared to review the case for me so atleast I know where I stand.

It’s a total mess and I think they’re purposely trying to financially fk me as so many things now don’t make sense.

Of course - they haven’t considered my son at all in all of their games furious
Op, I’ve used this fellas services to sort out a few issues. Admittedly not as complicated as your current dilemma. But, what you’re dealing with is very much within his portfolio of expertise.
Also, he’s a bloody decent bloke and a petrol head to boot thumbup

https://thrings.com/our-people/matthew-kellow

Petrus1983

Original Poster:

8,979 posts

164 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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wiliferus said:
Op, I’ve used this fellas services to sort out a few issues. Admittedly not as complicated as your current dilemma. But, what you’re dealing with is very much within his portfolio of expertise.
Also, he’s a bloody decent bloke and a petrol head to boot thumbup

https://thrings.com/our-people/matthew-kellow
Thanks - I’m in Bath so it’s not even a million miles away!

solo2

869 posts

149 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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Would it be possible for you to have him live with you? Work/living arrangements, would they allow it?

No idea how Courts would view her behaviour but at the very least what she is doing to a 5 year is emotional abuse and the child need stability.

Good luck, as the parent of two children who suffered emotional abuse at the hands of their father I know the toll it can take, my eldest self harmed and was walking a fine suicidal path in her early teens. thankfully she appears more balanced now.

Petrus1983

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8,979 posts

164 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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solo2 said:
Would it be possible for you to have him live with you? Work/living arrangements, would they allow it?
It would be totally fine him living here - they'd never allow it though. They see him as their play thing and a weapon against me.

Gary C

12,653 posts

181 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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Petrus1983 said:
they'd never allow it though. .
So take it to court and whether they allow it or not becomes moot.

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

263 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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Gary C said:
Petrus1983 said:
they'd never allow it though. .
So take it to court and whether they allow it or not becomes moot.
This. Take it to court here in the UK. Get some legal advice, obviously, but possession being 9/10 etc. Give them back the stuff they are dishing out to you. It's all well and good a court in the States dealing with stuff, but they will always lean towards their own citizen. As you would hope a UK court would do. Given that your son is 50/50 and he is here. Investigate the custody thing. If nothing else it will give his mother a migrane.

Petrus1983

Original Poster:

8,979 posts

164 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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I’ve written to Matthew Kellow as suggested above - when I’ve heard back from him I’ll be able to update more.

Gary C

12,653 posts

181 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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Petrus1983 said:
I’ve written to Matthew Kellow as suggested above - when I’ve heard back from him I’ll be able to update more.
Good luck

I've said it before on that 'other' historic PH thread but my wife works in child protection and some of the cases she deals with would make you sick.

Which is a roundabout way of saying, its fantastic to hear people who truly want to make their kids life better.