The Swimming Thread - Pool/OW

The Swimming Thread - Pool/OW

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hungry_hog

2,322 posts

190 months

Tuesday 21st May
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DeejRC said:
No posts about the 23 Chinese swimmers and the drug news this week?
Rumours of class action lawsuits and that the Chinese doping agency gave WADA an additional $2m in the cpl of yrs prior to the tests.
Par for the course isn't it

I recall at the Barcelona Olympics China had four golds in the Women's individual and the swimmers promptly sank from trace
The 200m butterfly WR for women (Liu Zige) has stood since 2009! 15y for a WR in swimming is almost unheard of
Then all the antics with Sun Yang...

DeejRC

5,892 posts

84 months

Saturday 1st June
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Bude seapool re-opened last week after it’s spring clean and today is the first time I’ve been able to get in.
Was a bit nervous how it would go after the arthritis bout last month, but a solid 30min breaststroke swim in 16C water. A bit of a breezy, so some decent resistance. Only “pain” was I felt the cold and ache in my right elbow joint which is still weak from last month.


nuyorican

909 posts

104 months

Saturday 1st June
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Apologies if it’s already been covered in this lengthy thread, but I’ve only just err, jumped in…

Front Crawl:

How the devil is it done. I’ve been swimming all my life but always stuck to breast stroke. Recently joined a gym with a pool and keep trying to have a go at FC and just end up looking daft. Any tips? Or is it a case of keep trying and it’ll click, like riding a bike.

Antony Moxey

8,220 posts

221 months

Saturday 1st June
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nuyorican said:
Apologies if it’s already been covered in this lengthy thread, but I’ve only just err, jumped in…

Front Crawl:

How the devil is it done. I’ve been swimming all my life but always stuck to breast stroke. Recently joined a gym with a pool and keep trying to have a go at FC and just end up looking daft. Any tips? Or is it a case of keep trying and it’ll click, like riding a bike.
If you don’t swim with goggles then get some, they make a massive difference being able to see and not having your eyes stinging.

Regarding the stroke try and make sure your hands enter the water as far in front of you as possible, and pull downwards towards your upper thigh such that your hand follows virtually a straight line. When your hand exits the water try and have a high elbow such that you’re almost trying to touch your armpit as your hand passes forward. Basically you want your hand to be virtually a straight line forward and straight line back.

Your head should be slightly looking forward in a straight line as much as possible - the perfect front crawl would involve no breathing at all, but obviously that’s not realistic - such that the waterline is against your lower forehead just above your eyebrows. As you raise your arm out of the water turn your head slightly to breathe - pick a side that feels the most natural and stick with that. Not all the way sideways though but such that probably half your face is out the water. Turn too much and it upsets your balance and your whole body starts twisting which messes up the stroke. You want to try and stay as straight as you can from the top of your head to the tips of your toes. When I said about only having half your face turned to breath, your head creates a sort of bow wave, so you find most of your mouth’s out the water anyway. And breathe in through your mouth and not your nose.

As your arm goes over, turn your head back forwards and breathe out as hard as you can, that way when you take your next breathe you’re not taking time with your head turned breathing out when you could be breathing in. With your body and legs nice and straight you’re pretty streamlined, so don’t spoil it thrashing your legs like you’re trying to fend off a shark attack. You should pretty much just flick your feet up and down and not much more than that. All the power and speed comes from your arms so don’t waste your energy kicking ferociously, you only need enough to keep yourself balanced and flat in the water. If you don’t kick though you find your legs start to sink dragging your backside down too so you end up looking like a sea horse.

The long and the short of it is don’t thrash about and keep all movement to a minimum, save for your arms, and don’t windmill either. Keep your head down until you need to breathe, and do it to the side and not the front - head up means arse down and your back to looking like a seahorse.

Happy to be corrected on any of the above, but it’s how I was taught and it’s seen me alright for the last 50 years. Best of luck!

Slow.Patrol

587 posts

16 months

Saturday 1st June
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Random question for indoor pool swimmers, what is your recommended shower gel?

I use Badedas as it has a strong, but pleasant smell. However, I seem to absorb chlorine, so occasionally get a whiff of bleach from my skin.

I have started to soap myself and stand for a minute before washing it off and that seems to help.

hungry_hog

2,322 posts

190 months

Saturday 1st June
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Slow.Patrol said:
Random question for indoor pool swimmers, what is your recommended shower gel?

I use Badedas as it has a strong, but pleasant smell. However, I seem to absorb chlorine, so occasionally get a whiff of bleach from my skin.

I have started to soap myself and stand for a minute before washing it off and that seems to help.
I use the "Faith in nature" shower gels
They are a bit more expensive, but SLS / paraben free

Mabbs9

1,116 posts

220 months

Saturday 1st June
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All the best people smell slightly of chlorine. Don't try too hard to wash it off.

nuyorican

909 posts

104 months

Saturday 1st June
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Antony Moxey said:
lots of great advice
That’s very helpful. Thank you.

Salted_Peanut

1,398 posts

56 months

Sunday 2nd June
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nuyorican said:
Front Crawl:

How the devil is it done.
Hello and welcome!

Front craw is learned through lessons, lessons and more lessons. It won’t click through endless lengths—that will merely give you the incorrect muscle memory. Instead, it’s learned through a good coach and practising lots of drills to develop the correct muscle memory.

I recommend seeking out a good coach. Also, Terry Laughlin‘s Total Immersion book is well worth reading:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Total-Immersion-Revolutio...



dirty boy

14,722 posts

211 months

Monday 3rd June
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nuyorican said:
Apologies if it’s already been covered in this lengthy thread, but I’ve only just err, jumped in…

Front Crawl:

How the devil is it done. I’ve been swimming all my life but always stuck to breast stroke. Recently joined a gym with a pool and keep trying to have a go at FC and just end up looking daft. Any tips? Or is it a case of keep trying and it’ll click, like riding a bike.
No substitute for coaching.

If you can't, or really don't want to....

https://www.instagram.com/effortlessswimming/

Is a nice account to start with, there's countless stuff out there though.

DeejRC

5,892 posts

84 months

Friday 7th June
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Upto 1500m today in the seapool at Bude, high tide by the end with the waves crashing over. Fun times.

Slow.Patrol

587 posts

16 months

Friday 7th June
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DeejRC said:
Upto 1500m today in the seapool at Bude, high tide by the end with the waves crashing over. Fun times.
I heard a rumour that there were plans afoot to renovate the seapool at Ilfracombe.

Otispunkmeyer

12,685 posts

157 months

Wednesday 12th June
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Antony Moxey said:
nuyorican said:
Apologies if it’s already been covered in this lengthy thread, but I’ve only just err, jumped in…

Front Crawl:

How the devil is it done. I’ve been swimming all my life but always stuck to breast stroke. Recently joined a gym with a pool and keep trying to have a go at FC and just end up looking daft. Any tips? Or is it a case of keep trying and it’ll click, like riding a bike.
If you don’t swim with goggles then get some, they make a massive difference being able to see and not having your eyes stinging.

Regarding the stroke try and make sure your hands enter the water as far in front of you as possible, and pull downwards towards your upper thigh such that your hand follows virtually a straight line. When your hand exits the water try and have a high elbow such that you’re almost trying to touch your armpit as your hand passes forward. Basically you want your hand to be virtually a straight line forward and straight line back.

Your head should be slightly looking forward in a straight line as much as possible - the perfect front crawl would involve no breathing at all, but obviously that’s not realistic - such that the waterline is against your lower forehead just above your eyebrows. As you raise your arm out of the water turn your head slightly to breathe - pick a side that feels the most natural and stick with that. Not all the way sideways though but such that probably half your face is out the water. Turn too much and it upsets your balance and your whole body starts twisting which messes up the stroke. You want to try and stay as straight as you can from the top of your head to the tips of your toes. When I said about only having half your face turned to breath, your head creates a sort of bow wave, so you find most of your mouth’s out the water anyway. And breathe in through your mouth and not your nose.

As your arm goes over, turn your head back forwards and breathe out as hard as you can, that way when you take your next breathe you’re not taking time with your head turned breathing out when you could be breathing in. With your body and legs nice and straight you’re pretty streamlined, so don’t spoil it thrashing your legs like you’re trying to fend off a shark attack. You should pretty much just flick your feet up and down and not much more than that. All the power and speed comes from your arms so don’t waste your energy kicking ferociously, you only need enough to keep yourself balanced and flat in the water. If you don’t kick though you find your legs start to sink dragging your backside down too so you end up looking like a sea horse.

The long and the short of it is don’t thrash about and keep all movement to a minimum, save for your arms, and don’t windmill either. Keep your head down until you need to breathe, and do it to the side and not the front - head up means arse down and your back to looking like a seahorse.

Happy to be corrected on any of the above, but it’s how I was taught and it’s seen me alright for the last 50 years. Best of luck!
I'd say we need a video!

But if he's struggling entirely then it sounds like just focusing on some basic items and getting them right. Perhaps a little too much detail above. First thing would probably just be ensuring he can actually float reasonably well in the right position on his front and keep his head still and in the right position. Keeping the head still is probably the key aspect. If your head moves about, your body will too and if that is all wriggly you have no chance. If he looks too far ahead (head up) his legs will sink. The kick is mostly to help balance but it also needs to be timed with the strokes.

He should probably just go find someone who can give 1:1 lessons. That will be the best bet.

Otispunkmeyer

12,685 posts

157 months

Wednesday 12th June
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DeejRC said:
Bude seapool re-opened last week after it’s spring clean and today is the first time I’ve been able to get in.
Was a bit nervous how it would go after the arthritis bout last month, but a solid 30min breaststroke swim in 16C water. A bit of a breezy, so some decent resistance. Only “pain” was I felt the cold and ache in my right elbow joint which is still weak from last month.

Not been there for ages. It looks good! I'd getting out and straight for a pasty from that shop up the road!

I guess by cleaning they mean they just hooked all the green slime out of it? biggrin

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Wednesday 12th June 16:37

Otispunkmeyer

12,685 posts

157 months

Wednesday 12th June
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Slow.Patrol said:
Random question for indoor pool swimmers, what is your recommended shower gel?

I use Badedas as it has a strong, but pleasant smell. However, I seem to absorb chlorine, so occasionally get a whiff of bleach from my skin.

I have started to soap myself and stand for a minute before washing it off and that seems to help.
Just lean into the chlorine. I don't think I've bothered with shampoo or shower gel after swimming for years as it makes blot all difference. Though I do notice that washing my hair the morning after tends to work better than washing directly after.

I remember when I used swim 10 x week for 2 hours at a time. The tips of my hair went white!

PomBstard

6,875 posts

244 months

Thursday 13th June
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Been watching some action this week…



A few WRs have been reset, inc women’s 200FR and men’s 200IM MC yesterday

DeejRC

5,892 posts

84 months

Thursday 13th June
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They open the gate at the end of the pool and drain it Otis, then dredge the sandbase and scrub the green st off yeah smile

Anyway, upto 2km in an hr this week. Bit parky at 15C - especially without the rash vest which I forgot earlier this week!
Two v choppy days with onshore breezes, not the weather to be doing breaststroke in!

Highway Star

3,579 posts

233 months

Thursday 13th June
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The women's 200FR at Aussie Trials was insane; want to swim the individual? Swim under the WR. Want to swim the relay? Swim a time that would get you a world individual medal. Want to reach the final at your country's trials? Swim a time that would reach the world champs final.

Titmus is such a great racer, and doing that the day after an almost WR in the 400FR with no serious competition. The way she and MOC split their 200 free and she splits the 400FR are bang on.

Otispunkmeyer

12,685 posts

157 months

Highway Star said:
The women's 200FR at Aussie Trials was insane; want to swim the individual? Swim under the WR. Want to swim the relay? Swim a time that would get you a world individual medal. Want to reach the final at your country's trials? Swim a time that would reach the world champs final.

Titmus is such a great racer, and doing that the day after an almost WR in the 400FR with no serious competition. The way she and MOC split their 200 free and she splits the 400FR are bang on.
Yeah, their bar is mega high right now. As long as they haven't peaked too soon as it were!

PomBstard

6,875 posts

244 months

Saturday
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Aus Paralympic swimming team announced last night - some expected names, a couple of new faces and one or two surprising inclusions.

I reckon the media darling of the whole swimming event could be Alexa Leary - S9 Freestyle specialist and current WR holder for S9 100M. Not only is she charismatic and photogenic, but her story is one for the movies…

She was a triathlete but had a serious accident a few years ago that left her on life support - so bad that the machine was turned off, and at that point she started to breathe on her own. Has been taught how to walk again though I think permanently on crutches for now, and is now off to the Paralympics.