Turbulence Kills One
Discussion
Mark V GTD said:
I think this is coming and maybe pretty soon. In a few years time we will look back and think it was incredible that you didn’t need to wear a belt at all times on a plane.
Admittedly I've only been flying for 30 odd years, which is positively wet behind the ears for some PH flyers but we've always been told to keep your belt fastened when seated even if the seatbelt sign was turned off. Not sure how some people interpret that as "don't bother to wear your seatbelt".
Maybe we need to keep the seatbelt sign on all the time and have an "it's presently OK to go to the loo" sign instead... Although the entitled will still ignore it.
I did read the turbulence thread and watched the wing flex video. All very reassuring. Personally, I find most comfort reading the pilots posts.
FWIW I fly fairly often (even though I'm scared stiff
and do think it has got worse, turbulence seems much more common than years gone by.
Back to thread - The pictures of the inside of the plane are crazy and its very sad the man has lost his life. It seems the biggest threat in all this is oneself.
FWIW I fly fairly often (even though I'm scared stiff
and do think it has got worse, turbulence seems much more common than years gone by.Back to thread - The pictures of the inside of the plane are crazy and its very sad the man has lost his life. It seems the biggest threat in all this is oneself.
Jim H said:
One more question for the pilots? When you do encounter a period of severe turbulence (out of the blue) like CAT. You’ve had nothing untoward on weather radar, or warnings from other pilots ahead
Assuming you are in the cruise Auto Pilot on, obviously buckled in. Does it come as big surprise to you guys? Or does the training and experience just kick in? And simulator training?
What I mean is, are you guys getting thrown about a bit at the pointy end, and can it be a bit disorientating ?
I’m assuming the Auto Pilot clicks off immediately, and you are straight into hand-flying. Do all recovery’s follow a similar pattern as I’m again assuming each one is fairly unique scenario?
I guess whether it’s day or night, and meteorological conditions have a large impact?
Apologies that’s maybe more that one question.
I’ve been out flying my RC plane tonight, wonderful conditions - certainly no turbulence.
In 20+ years of flying, I've only once had the Autopilot disconnect due to turbulence, and funnily enough, it was the most severe turbulence I've ever experienced (couldn't focus on instruments, eyeballs felt like they were rattling in their sockets etc). That was in a turboprop which generally spend more time in the turbulent layers, compared to swept-wing jets. We have five-point harnesses that can lock in position (ie inertial-reel locked), which effectively pins you in your seat, but you can still move your arms/head/legs. . . . that's come in handy on occasions. The procedure is to leave the Autopilot ON - does a far better job of flying at high altitude than we can. Speed excursions are common in turbulence, so if they get too out of hand, we can disconnect the Autothrust which would 'chase' the speed in these examples, whereas just setting a constant thrust, maintains the energy, rather than have the engines go from Idle, to large amounts of power, back to Idle etc. . . . We also use the speed brakes (spoilers on wing) if the speeds runs away to the point where you can go through the maximum speed for the aircraft. Assuming you are in the cruise Auto Pilot on, obviously buckled in. Does it come as big surprise to you guys? Or does the training and experience just kick in? And simulator training?
What I mean is, are you guys getting thrown about a bit at the pointy end, and can it be a bit disorientating ?
I’m assuming the Auto Pilot clicks off immediately, and you are straight into hand-flying. Do all recovery’s follow a similar pattern as I’m again assuming each one is fairly unique scenario?
I guess whether it’s day or night, and meteorological conditions have a large impact?
Apologies that’s maybe more that one question.
I’ve been out flying my RC plane tonight, wonderful conditions - certainly no turbulence.
Sometimes you know it's coming - particularly in the lower levels where you end up flying through cumulus clouds on approach. They can be particularly bumpy, but invariably at that stage of flight, everyone is sat down in preparation for landing anyway - if they're not, then they're told to in good time.
Sometimes turbulence can come out of the blue . . . not much we can do about that, but experience can give you that feeling in the seat of your pants that you know something's coming, but generally turbulence is more of a nuisance than anything else.
TGCOTF-dewey said:
Terry Winks said:
TGCOTF-dewey said:
.... But the stand up bar 
Got barred from that last year 
5150 said:
Jim H said:
One more question for the pilots? When you do encounter a period of severe turbulence (out of the blue) like CAT. You’ve had nothing untoward on weather radar, or warnings from other pilots ahead
Assuming you are in the cruise Auto Pilot on, obviously buckled in. Does it come as big surprise to you guys? Or does the training and experience just kick in? And simulator training?
What I mean is, are you guys getting thrown about a bit at the pointy end, and can it be a bit disorientating ?
I’m assuming the Auto Pilot clicks off immediately, and you are straight into hand-flying. Do all recovery’s follow a similar pattern as I’m again assuming each one is fairly unique scenario?
I guess whether it’s day or night, and meteorological conditions have a large impact?
Apologies that’s maybe more that one question.
I’ve been out flying my RC plane tonight, wonderful conditions - certainly no turbulence.
In 20+ years of flying, I've only once had the Autopilot disconnect due to turbulence, and funnily enough, it was the most severe turbulence I've ever experienced (couldn't focus on instruments, eyeballs felt like they were rattling in their sockets etc). That was in a turboprop which generally spend more time in the turbulent layers, compared to swept-wing jets. We have five-point harnesses that can lock in position (ie inertial-reel locked), which effectively pins you in your seat, but you can still move your arms/head/legs. . . . that's come in handy on occasions. The procedure is to leave the Autopilot ON - does a far better job of flying at high altitude than we can. Speed excursions are common in turbulence, so if they get too out of hand, we can disconnect the Autothrust which would 'chase' the speed in these examples, whereas just setting a constant thrust, maintains the energy, rather than have the engines go from Idle, to large amounts of power, back to Idle etc. . . . We also use the speed brakes (spoilers on wing) if the speeds runs away to the point where you can go through the maximum speed for the aircraft. Assuming you are in the cruise Auto Pilot on, obviously buckled in. Does it come as big surprise to you guys? Or does the training and experience just kick in? And simulator training?
What I mean is, are you guys getting thrown about a bit at the pointy end, and can it be a bit disorientating ?
I’m assuming the Auto Pilot clicks off immediately, and you are straight into hand-flying. Do all recovery’s follow a similar pattern as I’m again assuming each one is fairly unique scenario?
I guess whether it’s day or night, and meteorological conditions have a large impact?
Apologies that’s maybe more that one question.
I’ve been out flying my RC plane tonight, wonderful conditions - certainly no turbulence.
Sometimes you know it's coming - particularly in the lower levels where you end up flying through cumulus clouds on approach. They can be particularly bumpy, but invariably at that stage of flight, everyone is sat down in preparation for landing anyway - if they're not, then they're told to in good time.
Sometimes turbulence can come out of the blue . . . not much we can do about that, but experience can give you that feeling in the seat of your pants that you know something's coming, but generally turbulence is more of a nuisance than anything else.
I’ve always been fascinated by aviation and aircraft, I’ve learned so much from the pilots who contribute on this area of the forum. Always excellent reading.
I’m just sat at Liverpool John Lennon sinking a pint of Birra Morreti before my flight to Malaga.
I’m not nervous about flying. I’m just calming my nerves after a horrendous journey down the M6 in atrocious conditions ( spray and standing water).
I recall I said in my other thread, and it’s the age old thing. The most dangerous part of going on holiday is the journey to the airport.
On a motorway you are surrounded by thousands of folk who you have no idea what they are going to do next in dangerous conditions.
At least when you get on airplane, those driving it, got there by being rather good to say the least.
Jim H said:
Sincerely many thanks for that 5150, so appreciated.
I’ve always been fascinated by aviation and aircraft, I’ve learned so much from the pilots who contribute on this area of the forum. Always excellent reading.
I’m just sat at Liverpool John Lennon sinking a pint of Birra Morreti before my flight to Malaga.
I’m not nervous about flying. I’m just calming my nerves after a horrendous journey down the M6 in atrocious conditions ( spray and standing water).
I recall I said in my other thread, and it’s the age old thing. The most dangerous part of going on holiday is the journey to the airport.
On a motorway you are surrounded by thousands of folk who you have no idea what they are going to do next in dangerous conditions.
At least when you get on airplane, those driving it, got there by being rather good to say the least.
Also worth remembering that the people up front also want to return safely to their families I’ve always been fascinated by aviation and aircraft, I’ve learned so much from the pilots who contribute on this area of the forum. Always excellent reading.
I’m just sat at Liverpool John Lennon sinking a pint of Birra Morreti before my flight to Malaga.
I’m not nervous about flying. I’m just calming my nerves after a horrendous journey down the M6 in atrocious conditions ( spray and standing water).
I recall I said in my other thread, and it’s the age old thing. The most dangerous part of going on holiday is the journey to the airport.
On a motorway you are surrounded by thousands of folk who you have no idea what they are going to do next in dangerous conditions.
At least when you get on airplane, those driving it, got there by being rather good to say the least.
. Have a good trip to Malaga.Mabbs9 said:
Also worth remembering that the people up front also want to return safely to their families . Have a good trip to Malaga.
Well, mostly.. Have a good trip to Malaga.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight...
A Qatar Airways 787-9 flying from Doha to Dublin has experienced turbulence over Turkey. 12 people (6 crew members & 6 passengers) have reported injuries.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5117ev8n7xo
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5117ev8n7xo
Did anyone else see this?
That’s serious hail
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/austrian-airlines...
The cockpit glass is, well, frightening.
I’d like to ask the pilots.
Do you actually need to respond to what you can barely see through the windshield.
Are instruments enough?
That’s serious hail
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/austrian-airlines...
The cockpit glass is, well, frightening.
I’d like to ask the pilots.
Do you actually need to respond to what you can barely see through the windshield.
Are instruments enough?
Edited by Jim H on Friday 14th June 18:40
IanH755 said:
Jim H said:
Do you actually need to respond to what you can barely see through the windshield.
I have no doubt that visual reference is sometimes, often lost by pilots on approach.
A bit of a inconvenience.
But when hail has broken the the windshield, to that extent. Is there a step in the QRH for that?
And ripped the cowl off the weather radar dome?
My guess is that’s a bit unusual.?
Jim H said:
Funny.
I have no doubt that visual reference is sometimes, often lost by pilots on approach.
A bit of a inconvenience.
But when hail has broken the the windshield, to that extent. Is there a step in the QRH for that?
And ripped the cowl off the weather radar dome?
My guess is that’s a bit unusual.?
Depends on the aircraft, some definitely tell you to open the side DV (direct vision) window if you can’t see out the front, some aircraft you can’t open the windows though so you just have to deal with it, in this case an automatic landing would likely be the best course of action, I have no doubt that visual reference is sometimes, often lost by pilots on approach.
A bit of a inconvenience.
But when hail has broken the the windshield, to that extent. Is there a step in the QRH for that?
And ripped the cowl off the weather radar dome?
My guess is that’s a bit unusual.?
The inside of that Austrian airlines aircraft looked like this
So it’s possibly better than some imagined,
The outside again
Edited by u-boat on Saturday 15th June 23:57
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