Mr Bates vs The Post Office
Discussion
Tom8 said:
Is lying to parliament the same as lying in court/under oath? Is she therefore guilty of a crime?
Shocking watching her today. Like everyone else, excuses, no remorse, blame someone else. If you took the witnesses at face value then nothing happened, nothing went wrong and no one is to blame.
I really hope criminal prosecutions follow if possible.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/evidence-under-oath-perjury-and-parliamentary-privilege/Shocking watching her today. Like everyone else, excuses, no remorse, blame someone else. If you took the witnesses at face value then nothing happened, nothing went wrong and no one is to blame.
I really hope criminal prosecutions follow if possible.
TLDR:
Yes, if under oath, it's theoretically possible, but it hasn't been exercised in living memory.
Short Grain said:
You can almost see the cogs whirring as she puts together an answer she thinks Mr Beer will accept! Wasn't it Angela V who was described as a less than credible witness before? Think she's lost her title today! Oh, and she's using the waterworks way too much! 
Maybe someone should point out they've almost had one 'rain stopped play' today!
It is becoming quite a notable 'tell', I think. Maybe someone should point out they've almost had one 'rain stopped play' today!Not the place for a long debate, so I won't derail the thread too much and won't reply, but it's only fair to explain my thinking.
Speaking from experience in defence, engineering, energy, and O&G (from board level down), many big multinationals have similar inefficiency issues to the state. The big differences are: the state is willing to pick up the tab for a lot of costs; there are often only a couple of big players so competitiveness isn't that important; private sector gets to pick those areas where op cost vs profit margins are greatest; the city isn't always great and understanding the business they're buying shares in... There are all sorts of tunes you can play in a big Corp to mask productivity issues.
But also, it's the same pool of workers that move between private and state sector.
Where margins are small, I'll concede that efficiency is better becuase it simply has to be...but then these businesses are often simpler too.
Speaking from experience in defence, engineering, energy, and O&G (from board level down), many big multinationals have similar inefficiency issues to the state. The big differences are: the state is willing to pick up the tab for a lot of costs; there are often only a couple of big players so competitiveness isn't that important; private sector gets to pick those areas where op cost vs profit margins are greatest; the city isn't always great and understanding the business they're buying shares in... There are all sorts of tunes you can play in a big Corp to mask productivity issues.
But also, it's the same pool of workers that move between private and state sector.
Where margins are small, I'll concede that efficiency is better becuase it simply has to be...but then these businesses are often simpler too.
Edited by TGCOTF-dewey on Wednesday 22 May 14:05
sugerbear said:
So once this is all done what will there be any charges laid against any of the people in charge at the post office and fujitsu or is this just a nice talking shop where everyone appears sorry, but ultimately they get away with just their reputation damaged?
I'm interested in the answer to this.......GetCarter said:
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
On the Sky coverage they frequently put a picture up on the left side of the screen of Ms Vennells crying. I keep mistaking it for a live picture when it appears with the other side of the screen showing Mr Beer - bit hard to explain but if you are watching Sky's coverage you will see what I mean
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