Mr Bates vs The Post Office

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leef44

4,564 posts

155 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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If Angela blames Paula and Paula blames Angela then does that make it inconclusive so neither can be charged judge

scenario8

6,615 posts

181 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Paula Vennells not coming across particularly well to these ears…

mikeiow

5,524 posts

132 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Tim McCormack very directly writing to the evil witch Vennells to take action.....& she doesn't remember that email.

What a lying POS she really is evil

She really is a nasty, nasty woman.

Short Grain

2,957 posts

222 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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leef44 said:
If Angela blames Paula and Paula blames Angela then does that make it inconclusive so neither can be charged judge
Equal blame! let 'em fight it out punch

Eric Mc

122,340 posts

267 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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vaud said:
TGCOTF-dewey said:
An often repeated myth. One not remotely true of big multi-nationals.
In a big listed multinational, at least in very competitive industries the natural competitiveness places pressure on companies to be efficient. And if investors think that they aren't delivering enough value they will sell, apply pressure to the board (for larger institutional investors) or an activist investor will start to take a position (see Paul Singer et al)
Not always true.

There are lots of incentives in publicly quoted companies to show "shareholder value" above all else. That does not always lead to "efficiency" at all and, in the end, can be ruinous. Look at what is going on at Boeing at the moment.
Boeing will survive because, like the banks, they will be bailed out by the mugs, sorry, the taxpayers.

There is a lot in common with VERY large corporations and publicly owned or managed entities. They are all too big to fail so end up being propped up or rescued by taxpayers when it all goes tits up.

mikeiow

5,524 posts

132 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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What a top, top bloke Tim is.

Blackpuddin

16,709 posts

207 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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mikeiow said:


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What a top, top bloke Tim is.
Wow, that is explosive stuff.

Esquire

34 posts

2 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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mikeiow said:


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What a top, top bloke Tim is.
Indeed he is.

Is he accurate in his statement of a mandatory jail sentence ?

Blackpuddin

16,709 posts

207 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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According to the BBC – and it's probably come up on here before, apols if so – (quote): 'At the time of his (suicide) death, (Martin) Griffiths was being pursued for a supposed shortfall amounting to £100,000 at his Post Office branch in Cheshire. He had written to the Post Office that July about a £39,000 shortfall at his branch between February 2012 and May 2013.
'He was also being held culpable for losses from an armed robbery at his branch in May of that year.'
Unbelievable.

vaud

50,970 posts

157 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Blackpuddin said:
'He was also being held culpable for losses from an armed robbery at his branch in May of that year.'
IIRC he was held culpable because he hadn't set the safe.

"The Post Office was also demanding Griffiths pay back £7,500 after an armed robbery at his branch for which he had been partly blamed because he had failed to follow certain security procedures, the inquiry heard."

Downward

3,692 posts

105 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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TGCOTF-dewey said:
Unreal said:
AnotherClarkey said:
vaud said:
Unreal said:
I can tell you from very wide experience that it's just like you're seeing here in the NHS. They have an unshakeable belief they won't be found out. Bullies, incompetents and shysters dominate the ranks. This is a look behind the curtain.
Agreed. Most very large Govt departments and "institutions"
I have seen lots of similar stuff in the private sector over the years.
The difference in the private sector is that inefficiency and all of the other negatives are invariably exposed in the results and the business reforms or goes under. In the public sector we all pay for them to play their game.
An often repeated myth. One not remotely true of big multi-nationals.
Ironically the private sector software is to blame here. A software that had previously failed when it was implemented elsewhere previously.

dundarach

5,159 posts

230 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Downward said:
Ironically the private sector software is to blame here. A software that had previously failed when it was implemented elsewhere previously.
Drops the mic and walks off - boom!

JamesMcd

12 posts

22 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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I really hope that rumours of a general election being called today don't turn out to be true, as this would instantly overshadow the news coverage that Vennells' testimony is getting on Sky and BBC News.

Short Grain

2,957 posts

222 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Sir Wyn cuts through her BS yet again!

"Just so I can cut through the gloss you're putting on it!" hehe

IJWS15

1,877 posts

87 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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dundarach said:
Drops the mic and walks off - boom!
The software didn’t cause this problem, the way the Post Office managed it did!

Blackpuddin

16,709 posts

207 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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vaud said:
Blackpuddin said:
'He was also being held culpable for losses from an armed robbery at his branch in May of that year.'
IIRC he was held culpable because he hadn't set the safe.

"The Post Office was also demanding Griffiths pay back £7,500 after an armed robbery at his branch for which he had been partly blamed because he had failed to follow certain security procedures, the inquiry heard."
Was it one of these PO-approved 'Multiple Fuction' safes, with door knod?

Gladers01

634 posts

50 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Blackpuddin said:
mikeiow said:


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What a top, top bloke Tim is.
Wow, that is explosive stuff.
She seems to have a selective memory with 'Sorry' being the hardest word. All a little too late to apologise and not convinced the crocodile tears will help, you really couldn't make it up, what an awful state of affairs frown

Esquire

34 posts

2 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Gladers01 said:
She seems to have a selective memory with 'Sorry' being the hardest word. All a little too late to apologise and not convinced the crocodile tears will help, you really couldn't make it up, what an awful state of affairs frown
An awful state of affairs that amounts to what ? Jail time for Vennells & Co ?

Gladers01

634 posts

50 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Esquire said:
Gladers01 said:
She seems to have a selective memory with 'Sorry' being the hardest word. All a little too late to apologise and not convinced the crocodile tears will help, you really couldn't make it up, what an awful state of affairs frown
An awful state of affairs that amounts to what ? Jail time for Vennells & Co ?
We'll have to wait and see, however as the boss you take the perks of the job and have to accept the responsibility that goes with it. The Good Lord will be having to work plenty of overtime to get her off the hook in this case smile

Lotobear

6,619 posts

130 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Gladers01 said:
Blackpuddin said:
mikeiow said:


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What a top, top bloke Tim is.
Wow, that is explosive stuff.
She seems to have a selective memory with 'Sorry' being the hardest word. All a little too late to apologise and not convinced the crocodile tears will help, you really couldn't make it up, what an awful state of affairs frown
it's certainly a sad sad situation and it's getting more and more absurd