Tax dodging of overseas rental income the UAE

Tax dodging of overseas rental income the UAE

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sugerbear

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4,110 posts

160 months

Tuesday 21st May
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The times has a heart warming article about large scale tax avoidance by brits on uk property. 13,000 properties and only 1900 declarations of overseas earnings.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/48324c1a-7c5a-4...

What do you think should be done about these lovable scamps?

Rufus Stone

6,504 posts

58 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Paywalled.

Mrr T

12,357 posts

267 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Rufus Stone said:
Paywalled.
A 12ft ladder often helps with the problem.

eyebeebe

3,005 posts

235 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Surely this is tax evasion and not avoidance, as claimed in the article?

sugerbear

Original Poster:

4,110 posts

160 months

Tuesday 21st May
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eyebeebe said:
Surely this is tax evasion and not avoidance, as claimed in the article?
Tax evasion is a dirty word. Forget.. Didn't realise.. where not aware.. honest mistake.

All of these things can describe the unfortunate people that, through no fault of their own, have somehow managed to buy a property in UAE, rent it out and then [insert excuse] not pay any tax on the income.



catso

14,804 posts

269 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Not read the article but personally, I don't see why UK government should have any business taxing income earned in another country. Surely it's up to the country in question as to whether that income is taxable?

Mrr T

12,357 posts

267 months

Tuesday 21st May
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catso said:
Not read the article but personally, I don't see why UK government should have any business taxing income earned in another country. Surely it's up to the country in question as to whether that income is taxable?
If the tax paper is resident in the UK and therefore uses services paid for by UK taxation should be not pay taxes on his income.

CraigyMc

16,500 posts

238 months

Tuesday 21st May
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catso said:
Not read the article but personally, I don't see why UK government should have any business taxing income earned in another country. Surely it's up to the country in question as to whether that income is taxable?
The tax payers (actually, tax evaders in this case) are resident in the UK. It doesn't matter where the income is generated.
Stay in the UK, get free healthcare and live in a modern country, pay your way.

Biggy Stardust

7,002 posts

46 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Mrr T said:
If the tax paper is resident in the UK and therefore uses services paid for by UK taxation should be not pay taxes on his income.

Super Sonic

5,220 posts

56 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Biggy Stardust said:
I can't think of an intelligent argument but I've spotted two spelling mistakes so I'll post a meme that someone who had wit and intelligence made.

98elise

26,883 posts

163 months

Tuesday 21st May
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CraigyMc said:
catso said:
Not read the article but personally, I don't see why UK government should have any business taxing income earned in another country. Surely it's up to the country in question as to whether that income is taxable?
The tax payers (actually, tax evaders in this case) are resident in the UK. It doesn't matter where the income is generated.
Stay in the UK, get free healthcare and live in a modern country, pay your way.
Agreed.

wc98

10,466 posts

142 months

Tuesday 21st May
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I've said it before but i think everyone should have an earnings account that every single bit of income they receive must go through. You get found with anything else and it gets confiscated. Would simplify the tax system no end. A flat rate paid on it all, no allowances, no BIK , the same for every single person.

Would do away with capital gains, inheritance tax etc and make it easier to nail those taking the proverbial, imo.

Digga

40,458 posts

285 months

Tuesday 21st May
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FWIW, I haven't read the article, but I believe - because I do know someone who decided this was a 'good idea' - they properties in question are in the Uk and owned by UK taxpayer, but through an overseas company they set up in Dubai.

I think you can do this pretty easily. Like all those get rich quick schemes and tax loopholes though....

M1AGM

2,398 posts

34 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Digga said:
FWIW, I haven't read the article, but I believe - because I do know someone who decided this was a 'good idea' - they properties in question are in the Uk and owned by UK taxpayer, but through an overseas company they set up in Dubai.

I think you can do this pretty easily. Like all those get rich quick schemes and tax loopholes though....
I know someone who has mentioned similar. The premise is that you set up a business in Dubai and make it the ultimate holding company for your UK business. You pay yourself a wage to cover basic living (mortgage, cars etc) in the UK on PAYE to keep hmrc happy, but then transfer all profits to Dubai. You then have a handy credit card from your Dubai company bank that you use in the UK for all your spending beyond your day to day essentials covered by the PAYE income. Personally I wouldnt touch it with a barge pole. Dubai is run by a royal family who can move the goalposts on a whim, I see it as very high risk from both ends.

Mrr T

12,357 posts

267 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Biggy Stardust said:
Mrr T said:
If the tax paper is resident in the UK and therefore uses services paid for by UK taxation should be not pay taxes on his income.
Do you have a cure for dyslexia?

sugerbear

Original Poster:

4,110 posts

160 months

Tuesday 21st May
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M1AGM said:
Digga said:
FWIW, I haven't read the article, but I believe - because I do know someone who decided this was a 'good idea' - they properties in question are in the Uk and owned by UK taxpayer, but through an overseas company they set up in Dubai.

I think you can do this pretty easily. Like all those get rich quick schemes and tax loopholes though....
I know someone who has mentioned similar. The premise is that you set up a business in Dubai and make it the ultimate holding company for your UK business. You pay yourself a wage to cover basic living (mortgage, cars etc) in the UK on PAYE to keep hmrc happy, but then transfer all profits to Dubai. You then have a handy credit card from your Dubai company bank that you use in the UK for all your spending beyond your day to day essentials covered by the PAYE income. Personally I wouldnt touch it with a barge pole. Dubai is run by a royal family who can move the goalposts on a whim, I see it as very high risk from both ends.
Brought to you by the same people that told you that non repayable directors loans from the isle of man were totally legal and HMRC wouldn't be able to touch you... honestly, what could possibly go wrong!!

ecs

1,241 posts

172 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Can only read the first few paragraphs due to paywwall; but the article starts by mentioning that 22k citizens own property in Dubai, but only 1900 UK residents are declaring income. The difference between citizen and resident is very important so it seems like the article is a load of st (unless they mention the number of UK residents in the bit you have to pay to read).

Biggy Stardust

7,002 posts

46 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Mrr T said:
Do you have a cure for dyslexia?
No, but I know a place you can write to for an information pack.

dukeboy749r

2,811 posts

212 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Biggy Stardust said:
Mrr T said:
Do you have a cure for dyslexia?
No, but I know a place you can write to for an information pack.
Perhaps a tad too glib?

If someone suffers from dyslexia, a degree more tolerance might not go amiss.

CraigyMc

16,500 posts

238 months

Tuesday 21st May
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Mrr T said:
Rufus Stone said:
Paywalled.
A 12ft ladder often helps with the problem.
In this case it (12ft.io) doesn't. In fact I think the people running 12ft have more or less given up on trying to make news sites free now.