Climate change - the POLITICAL debate (Vol 7)
Discussion
Climate change made UK's waterlogged winter worse
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp992nxxe7do
"Climate change is a major reason the UK suffered such a waterlogged winter, scientists have confirmed...................................Global warming due to humans burning fossil fuels made this level of rainfall at least four times more LIKELY, according to the World Weather Attribution group."
Just another guess then. No mention of the government's poor management of our rivers and canals then?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp992nxxe7do
"Climate change is a major reason the UK suffered such a waterlogged winter, scientists have confirmed...................................Global warming due to humans burning fossil fuels made this level of rainfall at least four times more LIKELY, according to the World Weather Attribution group."
Just another guess then. No mention of the government's poor management of our rivers and canals then?
The tide continues to turn. Another Cambridge Prof, on the agw side, has nevertheless put a tuft of head hair over the parapet. The Prof is the primary source.
https://dailysceptic.org/2024/05/20/cambridge-prof...
Overall:
-the polytick of climate is in a bad way, with activists masquerading as scientists / funded by green billionaires / with state style actors controlling information release and access via blockhead journalists
-citizens are increasingly fed up fed up with the litany of failed forecasts and claims of boiling / collapsing climates
-Prof B is tax gas inline but eschews the ongoing pseudo-scientific chase for record heatwaves and other extrema, arguing that simplistic quasi-religious belief has taken over and dominates complex causes and consequences
-there is a wafer thin gap between use and misuse of scientific certainty and uncertainty, with evidence for strategic and selective communication of scientific information
Following Prof Hulme and the climate crisis "noble lie" acknowledgement, this is timely, but will be subjected to the same blockhead responses it describes.
https://dailysceptic.org/2024/05/20/cambridge-prof...
Overall:
-the polytick of climate is in a bad way, with activists masquerading as scientists / funded by green billionaires / with state style actors controlling information release and access via blockhead journalists
-citizens are increasingly fed up fed up with the litany of failed forecasts and claims of boiling / collapsing climates
-Prof B is tax gas inline but eschews the ongoing pseudo-scientific chase for record heatwaves and other extrema, arguing that simplistic quasi-religious belief has taken over and dominates complex causes and consequences
-there is a wafer thin gap between use and misuse of scientific certainty and uncertainty, with evidence for strategic and selective communication of scientific information
Following Prof Hulme and the climate crisis "noble lie" acknowledgement, this is timely, but will be subjected to the same blockhead responses it describes.
turbobloke said:
New news from the beeb which isn't joining the wideawake club in spite of this.
Is the move to electric cars running out of power?
For some time now, sleepy beebies.
Anyone who actually wanted an EV, has got one by now. Anyone who wanted one, and could afford to buy one, has got one by now.Is the move to electric cars running out of power?
For some time now, sleepy beebies.
Hapless beeb said:
Buoyant electric car sales are a must if we're to hit our climate targets. But EV sales in the West are down and if governments want them to recover it may have to be at the expense of their own economies.
Yes crash those economies (further) what could possibly go wrong me old China.This leaves the rest of the motoring public who either don't want one, or cannot afford one, even if they did want one.
Getting the public (Who are `allegedly' in the middle of a cost of living crises) to pay thousands more, for a car which cannot even do, what their old shed can do now, for a fraction of the price, is a hard sell.
This could be why Tesla have laid off ten thousand workers, from their car production facilities, and why VW, Toyota and the Chinese have significantly cut back their EV production program. (No point in making thousands of cars, that relatively few can, or even want to buy)
Even Porsche cannot shift their desirable Taycans, and have fields full of them, to the extent, they have tried cutting the purchase price by 50%. This must make anyone who bought one, at the full asking price, just a bit sick now.
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Wednesday 22 May 10:33
Here's what Buntgen actually said (to remove the spin in TB's post at 9.54):
https://www.nature.com/articles/s44168-024-00126-0
https://www.nature.com/articles/s44168-024-00126-0
The new Dutch government is looking to roll back the folly that is Net Zero.
A pledge to reverse greenblob policies will be good for the Dutch people if they get an early reprieve.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/05/18/...
A pledge to reverse greenblob policies will be good for the Dutch people if they get an early reprieve.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/05/18/...
Looks like carbon dioxide is now to blame for aeroplanes experiencing turbulence:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/death-turbulenc...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/death-turbulenc...
robinessex said:
Climate change made UK's waterlogged winter worse
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp992nxxe7do
"Climate change is a major reason the UK suffered such a waterlogged winter, scientists have confirmed...................................Global warming due to humans burning fossil fuels made this level of rainfall at least four times more LIKELY, according to the World Weather Attribution group."
Just another guess then. No mention of the government's poor management of our rivers and canals then?
Contradicts the IPCC, no signal of AGW has emerged above natural variation for precipitation/floodinghttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp992nxxe7do
"Climate change is a major reason the UK suffered such a waterlogged winter, scientists have confirmed...................................Global warming due to humans burning fossil fuels made this level of rainfall at least four times more LIKELY, according to the World Weather Attribution group."
Just another guess then. No mention of the government's poor management of our rivers and canals then?
turbobloke said:
The tide continues to turn. Another Cambridge Prof, on the agw side, has nevertheless put a tuft of head hair over the parapet. The Prof is the primary source.
https://dailysceptic.org/2024/05/20/cambridge-prof...
Overall:
-the polytick of climate is in a bad way, with activists masquerading as scientists / funded by green billionaires / with state style actors controlling information release and access via blockhead journalists
-citizens are increasingly fed up fed up with the litany of failed forecasts and claims of boiling / collapsing climates
-Prof B is tax gas inline but eschews the ongoing pseudo-scientific chase for record heatwaves and other extrema, arguing that simplistic quasi-religious belief has taken over and dominates complex causes and consequences
-there is a wafer thin gap between use and misuse of scientific certainty and uncertainty, with evidence for strategic and selective communication of scientific information
Following Prof Hulme and the climate crisis "noble lie" acknowledgement, this is timely, but will be subjected to the same blockhead responses it describes.
A tuft of hair over the parapet means he is now a denier, one of us… a deplorable… a conspiracy theorist…https://dailysceptic.org/2024/05/20/cambridge-prof...
Overall:
-the polytick of climate is in a bad way, with activists masquerading as scientists / funded by green billionaires / with state style actors controlling information release and access via blockhead journalists
-citizens are increasingly fed up fed up with the litany of failed forecasts and claims of boiling / collapsing climates
-Prof B is tax gas inline but eschews the ongoing pseudo-scientific chase for record heatwaves and other extrema, arguing that simplistic quasi-religious belief has taken over and dominates complex causes and consequences
-there is a wafer thin gap between use and misuse of scientific certainty and uncertainty, with evidence for strategic and selective communication of scientific information
Following Prof Hulme and the climate crisis "noble lie" acknowledgement, this is timely, but will be subjected to the same blockhead responses it describes.
Jacobyte said:
Looks like carbon dioxide is now to blame for aeroplanes experiencing turbulence:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/death-turbulenc...
The Beeb were straight onto that in their coverage of the event - it appeared half way down their lead page. Citing some research from Reading Greysteads Ring Road University or somewherehttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/death-turbulenc...
Catching up with more good news from the bizarre world of climate politics:
Electric car disaster as EU ports fill up with 100,000s of Chinese models no one wants
Daily Express, 17 May 2024
European utilities cut renewable targets as high costs and low power prices bite
Financial Times, 19 May 2024
Lord Frost pins down energy ministers on why UK offers increasing subsidies to unreliable technologies that Whitehall insists are already by far the cheapest.
Net Zero Watch, 21 May
Electric car disaster as EU ports fill up with 100,000s of Chinese models no one wants
Daily Express, 17 May 2024
European utilities cut renewable targets as high costs and low power prices bite
Financial Times, 19 May 2024
Lord Frost pins down energy ministers on why UK offers increasing subsidies to unreliable technologies that Whitehall insists are already by far the cheapest.
Net Zero Watch, 21 May
Lotus 50 said:
Here's what Buntgen actually said (to remove the spin in TB's post at 9.54):
https://www.nature.com/articles/s44168-024-00126-0
No need for any spin. The article is damning enough, but nothing we didn’t already know and have been saying for years. https://www.nature.com/articles/s44168-024-00126-0
Trouble and strife in Labour, just as they're accused (elsewhere) of peddling unrealistic short-term climate goals.
Tony Blair’s Foundation takes Ed Miliband to task over Net Zero
The Spectator, 16 May 2024
The continuing pretence that any politicians can control the climate on any timescale is hilariously silly, and runs contrary to empirical data as well as the (total lack of) results so far from the costly silliness.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EryajyKVQAE_NwI?format...
Tony Blair’s Foundation takes Ed Miliband to task over Net Zero
The Spectator, 16 May 2024
The continuing pretence that any politicians can control the climate on any timescale is hilariously silly, and runs contrary to empirical data as well as the (total lack of) results so far from the costly silliness.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EryajyKVQAE_NwI?format...
turbobloke said:
Trouble and strife in Labour, just as they're accused (elsewhere) of peddling unrealistic short-term climate goals.
Tony Blair’s Foundation takes Ed Miliband to task over Net Zero
The Spectator, 16 May 2024
The continuing pretence that any politicians can control the climate on any timescale is hilariously silly, and runs contrary to empirical data as well as the (total lack of) results so far from the costly silliness.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EryajyKVQAE_NwI?format...
.....But, but, but if only we'd do it harder and do stuff like buy more battery cars from the Chinese that recalcitrant graph line would start to go down.Tony Blair’s Foundation takes Ed Miliband to task over Net Zero
The Spectator, 16 May 2024
The continuing pretence that any politicians can control the climate on any timescale is hilariously silly, and runs contrary to empirical data as well as the (total lack of) results so far from the costly silliness.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EryajyKVQAE_NwI?format...
robinessex said:
Climate change made UK's waterlogged winter worse
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp992nxxe7do
"Climate change is a major reason the UK suffered such a waterlogged winter, scientists have confirmed...................................Global warming due to humans burning fossil fuels made this level of rainfall at least four times more LIKELY, according to the World Weather Attribution group."
Just another guess then. No mention of the government's poor management of our rivers and canals then?
The High Priest Rollat on the BBC News has become something of a feature now. Instead of Thought for the Day coming from religious types they should move over for Rollat to spill his indoctrination based on maybes and other vague cobblers, but all with the same conclusions. Can BBC Verify be put to actual use and investigate his "reporting"?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp992nxxe7do
"Climate change is a major reason the UK suffered such a waterlogged winter, scientists have confirmed...................................Global warming due to humans burning fossil fuels made this level of rainfall at least four times more LIKELY, according to the World Weather Attribution group."
Just another guess then. No mention of the government's poor management of our rivers and canals then?
Lotus 50 said:
Here's what Buntgen actually said (to remove the spin in TB's post at 9.54):
https://www.nature.com/articles/s44168-024-00126-0
I read the paper before commenting on TB‘s post. The full article is significantly more convincing.https://www.nature.com/articles/s44168-024-00126-0
Buntgen is an uneducated denier and needs to be removed from his post.
Büntgen is a geographer, not a climate scientist, his opinion about climate change is questionable
https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2024/05/20/dont-beli...
https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2024/05/20/dont-beli...
Kawasicki said:
Büntgen is a geographer, not a climate scientist, his opinion about climate change is questionable
https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2024/05/20/dont-beli...
According to the author (a historian) https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2024/05/20/dont-beli...
Lotobear said:
Kawasicki said:
Büntgen is a geographer, not a climate scientist, his opinion about climate change is questionable
https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2024/05/20/dont-beli...
According to the author (a historian) https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2024/05/20/dont-beli...
Hit jobs on anyone straying from The Path Of Righteousness To Catastrophe in any way were and are predictable, all must be done by religionists to rubbish heretics. Then, in this particular context, there are parrots of various types flying around - I did mention that Prof B was tax gas onside / inline and predicted what would happen to him nonetheless (no supercomputer or modelling needed). The rest I'll leave to the parrotmeister
Before the climate money pit opened there was little mention of the discipline 'climate science', with the involvement of geologists, meteorologists, physical geographers, astrophysicists and environmental science people. Several of 'The Team' pushing 'The Cause' aren't climate scientists by that reckoning, with degrees and backgrounds in other subject areas. According to reports, Phil Jones arrived via a Bachelor's in Environmental Science and a PhD in Hydrology, with James Hansen it was Physics and Maths followed by a Master's in Astronomy and a PhD in Physics. Gavin Schmidt is a mathematician. As climate became mostly political, negative aspects of politics were imported in terms of campaign tactics involving hit jobs, and a lack of openness. Ultimately the people don't matter, whereas the data always matter.
Talking of climate politics: Prof Pielke Jr (BA in Maths, MA in Public Policy and PhD in Political Science) on How Democrats Left the IPCC Behind on Apocalypse Road. Next, he could consider the BBC.
https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/how-democrats...
turbobloke said:
The tide continues to turn. Another Cambridge Prof, on the agw side, has nevertheless put a tuft of head hair over the parapet. The Prof is the primary source.
https://dailysceptic.org/2024/05/20/cambridge-prof...
Overall:
-the polytick of climate is in a bad way, with activists masquerading as scientists / funded by green billionaires / with state style actors controlling information release and access via blockhead journalists
-citizens are increasingly fed up fed up with the litany of failed forecasts and claims of boiling / collapsing climates
-Prof B is tax gas inline but eschews the ongoing pseudo-scientific chase for record heatwaves and other extrema, arguing that simplistic quasi-religious belief has taken over and dominates complex causes and consequences
-there is a wafer thin gap between use and misuse of scientific certainty and uncertainty, with evidence for strategic and selective communication of scientific information
Following Prof Hulme and the climate crisis "noble lie" acknowledgement, this is timely, but will be subjected to the same blockhead responses it describes.
Is the takeaway from the statement that climate change due to Co2 emissions does not exist?https://dailysceptic.org/2024/05/20/cambridge-prof...
Overall:
-the polytick of climate is in a bad way, with activists masquerading as scientists / funded by green billionaires / with state style actors controlling information release and access via blockhead journalists
-citizens are increasingly fed up fed up with the litany of failed forecasts and claims of boiling / collapsing climates
-Prof B is tax gas inline but eschews the ongoing pseudo-scientific chase for record heatwaves and other extrema, arguing that simplistic quasi-religious belief has taken over and dominates complex causes and consequences
-there is a wafer thin gap between use and misuse of scientific certainty and uncertainty, with evidence for strategic and selective communication of scientific information
Following Prof Hulme and the climate crisis "noble lie" acknowledgement, this is timely, but will be subjected to the same blockhead responses it describes.
I think not......
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07512-y
Edited by mike9009 on Wednesday 22 May 22:06
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