Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister
Discussion
Unreal said:
Gecko1978 said:
Interest rate cute incoming I also suspect an mini budget later in the year with tax cuts....will labour snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
I think PH might spontaneously combust if the Tories retain power and Trump wins.Right up until a month or so ago I was convinced the Tories were toast. Now I'm not so sure. A lot of headline short term stuff could start going their way over the summer and the Labour strategy of 'do nothing and we'll be fine' may push heads above parapets. It will be interesting to see if SKS can keep the loonies in his party under control and silent in the cauldron of an election campaign.
I don't know anything about polls so it may be bs but I was reading recently that indications from the local elections indicated a GE outcome much more like a hung Parliament than a thumping Labour majority and a current lead of more like 10% than 20+%. I think if Labour had a charismatic leader they would be home and hosed but SKS really is pretty dull and uninspiring. That may match the promise (lowering of expectations?) of stability but I'm not sure it's what enough people want in a future PM. The thing that I'm most sceptical about is when I'm told lifelong supporters are going to switch at the next election. I know there can be a lack of clear blue water between the parties but come on.
I don't want argue about something that none of us can be certain of, but I find it interesting to discuss the shifting sands. I know that I cannot personally affect the result because my vote is in a guaranteed Tory constituency and so getting worked up over politics would be about as productive as chopping one of my fingers off. Same with Trump. I'll just do what I can do to adapt to the circumstances.
Tom8 said:
I think they are beyond saving however Starmer has always been an issue as he doesn't ring any bells with the electorate, he is pretty weak and wishy washy and those around him you wouldn't trust to run a bath. So why the outlook brightens economically he will be hoping for a good summer. If the weather is nice, the wendyball team does well, the economy continues to recover then who knows. Israel may also come to help as that is a bit like europe for the tories, a problem that won't go away. Starmer is no Blair and that is their big problem.
You mean you wouldn't trust him. No surprises people queue up round here to denounce Starmer but the heroic effort in ignoring everything going on around you is commendable. Quite a lot of you boys really are living in a fantasy world where it's somehow only a matter of time before the public develop the kind of galaxy brain insight hitherto only you possess.President Merkin said:
Tom8 said:
I think they are beyond saving however Starmer has always been an issue as he doesn't ring any bells with the electorate, he is pretty weak and wishy washy and those around him you wouldn't trust to run a bath. So why the outlook brightens economically he will be hoping for a good summer. If the weather is nice, the wendyball team does well, the economy continues to recover then who knows. Israel may also come to help as that is a bit like europe for the tories, a problem that won't go away. Starmer is no Blair and that is their big problem.
You mean you wouldn't trust him. No surprises people queue up round here to denounce Starmer but the heroic effort in ignoring everything going on around you is commendable. Quite a lot of you boys really are living in a fantasy world where it's somehow only a matter of time before the public develop the kind of galaxy brain insight hitherto only you possess.President Merkin said:
Tom8 said:
I think they are beyond saving however Starmer has always been an issue as he doesn't ring any bells with the electorate, he is pretty weak and wishy washy and those around him you wouldn't trust to run a bath. So why the outlook brightens economically he will be hoping for a good summer. If the weather is nice, the wendyball team does well, the economy continues to recover then who knows. Israel may also come to help as that is a bit like europe for the tories, a problem that won't go away. Starmer is no Blair and that is their big problem.
You mean you wouldn't trust him. No surprises people queue up round here to denounce Starmer but the heroic effort in ignoring everything going on around you is commendable. Quite a lot of you boys really are living in a fantasy world where it's somehow only a matter of time before the public develop the kind of galaxy brain insight hitherto only you possess.Gecko1978 said:
Interest rate cute incoming I also suspect an mini budget later in the year with tax cuts....will labour snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
Not looking rosy for Rishi imo, even the Telegraph reporting negatively. Inflation falls less than expected and interest rate cuts pushed back. Unreal said:
Gecko1978 said:
Interest rate cute incoming I also suspect an mini budget later in the year with tax cuts....will labour snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
I think PH might spontaneously combust if the Tories retain power and Trump wins.Right up until a month or so ago I was convinced the Tories were toast. Now I'm not so sure. A lot of headline short term stuff could start going their way over the summer and the Labour strategy of 'do nothing and we'll be fine' may push heads above parapets. It will be interesting to see if SKS can keep the loonies in his party under control and silent in the cauldron of an election campaign.
I don't know anything about polls so it may be bs but I was reading recently that indications from the local elections indicated a GE outcome much more like a hung Parliament than a thumping Labour majority and a current lead of more like 10% than 20+%. I think if Labour had a charismatic leader they would be home and hosed but SKS really is pretty dull and uninspiring. That may match the promise (lowering of expectations?) of stability but I'm not sure it's what enough people want in a future PM. The thing that I'm most sceptical about is when I'm told lifelong supporters are going to switch at the next election. I know there can be a lack of clear blue water between the parties but come on.
I don't want to argue about something that none of us can be certain of, but I find it interesting to discuss the shifting sands. I know that I cannot personally affect the result because my vote is in a guaranteed Tory constituency and so getting worked up over politics would be about as productive as chopping one of my fingers off. Same with Trump. I'll just do what I can do to adapt to the circumstances.
Edited by Unreal on Wednesday 22 May 08:35
...it will be fascinating to watch. I wouldn't vote for either but I'm sure there are many sitting on the fence who might end up sticking with what they have always done once a few 'events, dear boy' unfurl.
NerveAgent said:
Gecko1978 said:
Interest rate cute incoming I also suspect an mini budget later in the year with tax cuts....will labour snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
Not looking rosy for Rishi imo, even the Telegraph reporting negatively. Inflation falls less than expected and interest rate cuts pushed back. Tom8 said:
. Ignoring things because they are uncomfortable is not leadership it is cowardice.
You have, with respect, suffered a glaring comprehension failure there.Anyway. moving on in the hope someone in here can process simple ideas, I fully expect something will be ignored that should not be. Johnny Mercer inadvertently let the cat out of the bag in an email revealing that his attempts to allow veterans to use their military ID cards had been blocked by No.10 on the grounds that doing so would 'open the floodgates' to allow students to do the same. And there you have it, an admission that voter ID is about voter suppression, sanctioned by the government & our brave veterans are merely collateral damage in state sponsored gerrymandering.
You cannot now claim to be a supporter of democracy & the Conservative party. The two are mutually exclusive.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-10-neglectin...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/arrest-fewer-pe...
The party of law and order...
Chickens coming home to roost. Make cuts, fail to invest and you end up asking coppers to make fewer arrests as there's no space.
The party of law and order...
Chickens coming home to roost. Make cuts, fail to invest and you end up asking coppers to make fewer arrests as there's no space.
NerveAgent said:
Gecko1978 said:
Interest rate cute incoming I also suspect an mini budget later in the year with tax cuts....will labour snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
Not looking rosy for Rishi imo, even the Telegraph reporting negatively. Inflation falls less than expected and interest rate cuts pushed back. 119 said:
NerveAgent said:
Gecko1978 said:
Interest rate cute incoming I also suspect an mini budget later in the year with tax cuts....will labour snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
Not looking rosy for Rishi imo, even the Telegraph reporting negatively. Inflation falls less than expected and interest rate cuts pushed back. I see that Johnny Mercer has had a go at Rishi saying he is hogging the limelight and is not as popular as when he was more popular.
That's a bit of a funny thing for me because I can't really remember when he has been popular.
Apologies for the Independent link. I couldn't find a daily Mail one that told us the value of Johnny Mercers House
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/johnny-merce...
But Johnny Mercer misses the point. This isn't Rishi hogging the limelight for personal gain. Not at all.
Rishi is actually being self-sacrificing. It's something that many other MP's are not. It's something that you don't see much in political life. What Rishi is doing is that by being centre stage he is shielding colleagues from criticism of the upcoming election campaign.
He is protecting the likes of Kemi Badenoch- Powell and Penny Mordaunt. Rishi knows that in modern politics if you are the Prime Minister and you lose an election campaign you are obliged to resign. What he is doing is effectively clearing the road ahead for Kemi and Penny if he loses and then resigns. They can then go for the leadership and they won't be tainted by people saying stuff like "yeah but in the election campaign you said this and you said that"
Obviously the idea of a Conservative loss at the next election is a very distant possibility and I actually think the conservative party can well win with a reduced majority. In many cases the reasons to vote Labour are null and void. In the past people voted Labour because Labour dangled the magic money tree in front of them and offered to pretty much to interfere with large areas of your life.
Well the Tories have got heir own magic money tree and they have proved it by doing lot's of truly fantastic uncosted things over the last few years. In the past if you voted Labour you were voting for union unrest and strikes. Well there have been some pretty great strikes under the Conservatives that have been just as good as the Labour ones. There is the excellent Train strike that is ongoing and is helping people to make informed choices about their methods of transport. There was the postal strike that not only knackered Royal Mail but also took out a few businesses that actually used Royal Mail services
It's not often I say this but today I do: I say jolly well done Rishi for protecting your colleagues and being prepared to take all the blame.
On a separate side note the person that took photo's of Johnny Mercers laptop screen should be arrested under the treason act and sentenced to at least a couple of years of prison. They are clearly a threat to national security and most likely a communist trotskyite leftie
That's a bit of a funny thing for me because I can't really remember when he has been popular.
Apologies for the Independent link. I couldn't find a daily Mail one that told us the value of Johnny Mercers House
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/johnny-merce...
But Johnny Mercer misses the point. This isn't Rishi hogging the limelight for personal gain. Not at all.
Rishi is actually being self-sacrificing. It's something that many other MP's are not. It's something that you don't see much in political life. What Rishi is doing is that by being centre stage he is shielding colleagues from criticism of the upcoming election campaign.
He is protecting the likes of Kemi Badenoch- Powell and Penny Mordaunt. Rishi knows that in modern politics if you are the Prime Minister and you lose an election campaign you are obliged to resign. What he is doing is effectively clearing the road ahead for Kemi and Penny if he loses and then resigns. They can then go for the leadership and they won't be tainted by people saying stuff like "yeah but in the election campaign you said this and you said that"
Obviously the idea of a Conservative loss at the next election is a very distant possibility and I actually think the conservative party can well win with a reduced majority. In many cases the reasons to vote Labour are null and void. In the past people voted Labour because Labour dangled the magic money tree in front of them and offered to pretty much to interfere with large areas of your life.
Well the Tories have got heir own magic money tree and they have proved it by doing lot's of truly fantastic uncosted things over the last few years. In the past if you voted Labour you were voting for union unrest and strikes. Well there have been some pretty great strikes under the Conservatives that have been just as good as the Labour ones. There is the excellent Train strike that is ongoing and is helping people to make informed choices about their methods of transport. There was the postal strike that not only knackered Royal Mail but also took out a few businesses that actually used Royal Mail services
It's not often I say this but today I do: I say jolly well done Rishi for protecting your colleagues and being prepared to take all the blame.
On a separate side note the person that took photo's of Johnny Mercers laptop screen should be arrested under the treason act and sentenced to at least a couple of years of prison. They are clearly a threat to national security and most likely a communist trotskyite leftie
Unreal said:
NerveAgent said:
Gecko1978 said:
Interest rate cute incoming I also suspect an mini budget later in the year with tax cuts....will labour snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
Not looking rosy for Rishi imo, even the Telegraph reporting negatively. Inflation falls less than expected and interest rate cuts pushed back. Mr Penguin said:
Interest rates are important but it takes time for them to have an impact because people are mostly on fixed term mortgages. The increase hasn't hit me yet because I locked in for five years in 2020 and any decrease might not hit someone else for another five years.
Huge amounts of people have had to refix or accept SVR over the last few years... NerveAgent said:
Unreal said:
NerveAgent said:
Gecko1978 said:
Interest rate cute incoming I also suspect an mini budget later in the year with tax cuts....will labour snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
Not looking rosy for Rishi imo, even the Telegraph reporting negatively. Inflation falls less than expected and interest rate cuts pushed back. Rates have been higher for a considerable time now so I'm not sure they're still quite such a hot topic and if they are important, rates are falling.
Killboy said:
Are we back at the denial phase, or is this bargaining?
I think things might not be going labour way. I still can't see me voting at all (having voted tory all my lifr). But I like everyone will take a tax cut happily over a tax rise etc and that's a head ache if rates come down rishi cuts tax again what can Kier do say we are going to make you worse off is not a winnerGassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff