Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister
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Gecko1978 said:
Killboy said:
Are we back at the denial phase, or is this bargaining?
I think things might not be going labour way. I still can't see me voting at all (having voted tory all my lifr). But I like everyone will take a tax cut happily over a tax rise etc and that's a head ache if rates come down rishi cuts tax again what can Kier do say we are going to make you worse off is not a winnerThe post you replied to is deeply ironic.
Gecko1978 said:
Killboy said:
Are we back at the denial phase, or is this bargaining?
I think things might not be going labour way. I still can't see me voting at all (having voted tory all my lifr). But I like everyone will take a tax cut happily over a tax rise etc and that's a head ache if rates come down rishi cuts tax again what can Kier do say we are going to make you worse off is not a winnerGecko1978 said:
I think things might not be going labour way. I still can't see me voting at all (having voted tory all my lifr). But I like everyone will take a tax cut happily over a tax rise etc and that's a head ache if rates come down rishi cuts tax again what can Kier do say we are going to make you worse off is not a winner
I don't think it's that simple.People have seen their lives get measurably worse over the last 4 years, I doubt many will be easily fooled by a token tax cut that will be clawed back some other way (increase in IPT or APD seem Tory favourites) and probably not even benefit the poor or middle classes.
Pretty much whoever gets in, taxes are going to rise. It can either be honest or opaque and the opaque one will be far worse.
It's just hope against all hope that the Tories can still win.
NerveAgent said:
Gecko1978 said:
Killboy said:
Are we back at the denial phase, or is this bargaining?
I think things might not be going labour way. I still can't see me voting at all (having voted tory all my lifr). But I like everyone will take a tax cut happily over a tax rise etc and that's a head ache if rates come down rishi cuts tax again what can Kier do say we are going to make you worse off is not a winnercaptain_cynic said:
Gecko1978 said:
I think things might not be going labour way. I still can't see me voting at all (having voted tory all my lifr). But I like everyone will take a tax cut happily over a tax rise etc and that's a head ache if rates come down rishi cuts tax again what can Kier do say we are going to make you worse off is not a winner
I don't think it's that simple.People have seen their lives get measurably worse over the last 4 years, I doubt many will be easily fooled by a token tax cut that will be clawed back some other way (increase in IPT or APD seem Tory favourites) and probably not even benefit the poor or middle classes.
Pretty much whoever gets in, taxes are going to rise. It can either be honest or opaque and the opaque one will be far worse.
It's just hope against all hope that the Tories can still win.
captain_cynic said:
It's just hope against all hope that the Tories can still win.
Anyone who wants more of this s
t show is bonkers. Everything they do turns to crap. The best thing that could happen to the party is a period in opposition to sort themselves out. For themselves and the country, the two party system barely works, it’s dysfunctional when either party is weak. Dingu said:
captain_cynic said:
It's just hope against all hope that the Tories can still win.
Anyone who wants more of this st show is bonkers. Everything they do turns to crap. The best thing that could happen to the party is a period in opposition to sort themselves out. For themselves and the country, the two party system barely works, it’s dysfunctional when either party is weak. NerveAgent said:
Interest rates have been the main focus for the working population because of the effects on mortgages (and rents). The rest is all insignificant compared to the potentially hundreds per month on the mortgage payment.
Yes for those who have a significant mortgage that will likely be the main concern, though the interaction with rents is less straightforward.In terms of interest rates, I may be proved wrong but I doubt the days of near zero BOE base rates will return. This was an historical aberration in the aftermath of the Financial Crisis. I can easily see a low BOE base rate in the future being in the 2-3% range.
Any borrowing whose affordability was dependent on paying almost no interest may be in difficulty.
People will no doubt vote accordingly but I don't see that changing according to tie colour.
Mr Penguin said:
Rwanda will have no impact on the 2029/2030 election, let alone beyond that.
Mass migration, and whatever policies are proposed to facilitate it or control it, will remain a political issue for the foreseeable future.Rwanda is merely a part of that, being a proposal to curtail illegal migration, or more accurately a gesture and a pretence, but the illegal migration will continue indefinitely and remain a political issue in most European countries.
Dingu said:
Directly for sure, I guess the point above is whether the party continue down that route when it could impact indirectly?
They will do, as will the rest of Europe. Ideally, this would be dealt with at the European entrypoints in Spain, Italy, and Greece (along with wider reform to international law) but immigration tends to make Europe fragment so each country will continue to do it alone with Rwanda style policies.But by the next election, it will just be a normal and established approach and nobody will remember how controversial it was at first.
Dingu said:
captain_cynic said:
It's just hope against all hope that the Tories can still win.
Anyone who wants more of this st show is bonkers. Everything they do turns to crap. The best thing that could happen to the party is a period in opposition to sort themselves out. For themselves and the country, the two party system barely works, it’s dysfunctional when either party is weak. A two party system is bad enough but when the opposition is weak it's effectively a one party system.
119 said:
valiant said:
119 said:
The same as Labour then, unless there is a magic money tree they have access to.
It'll be the same one that the Tories have been using these last few years...
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