Another dog attack
Discussion
m4tti said:
I can see the BBC News have an article on the most recent XL bully death, and some “well wisher” local dog trainer has popped up talking about “how she helps local bully owners”.
It’s fairly tedious and repetitive rhetoric from these types about the people needing help.
With this breed it really isn’t, it’s a result of poor line breeding and genetics. You’d think a “dog trainer” would have a simple of grasp of all this.
This is a 10 minute read, but covers the history of these dogs quite well and how the current situation has evolved in the uk.
https://bullywatch.link/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/#...
I think some of the names of the dogs and even of the breeding businesses on that link are just like the actual name and the nature of the breed. It’s fairly tedious and repetitive rhetoric from these types about the people needing help.
With this breed it really isn’t, it’s a result of poor line breeding and genetics. You’d think a “dog trainer” would have a simple of grasp of all this.
This is a 10 minute read, but covers the history of these dogs quite well and how the current situation has evolved in the uk.
https://bullywatch.link/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/#...
As other people have said, people don't but these dogs because they are cute and cuddly. They buy them for the implied threat of possible violence towards other people, for intimidation and for projection of how they want to be perceived amongst their peers.
"I bought a dog called Cannibal Pits White Demon from a breeder called Tribe Bully Kennels. Its well hard,"
I find it horrific to be honest.
Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Tuesday 21st May 16:14
I've had five dogs over three decades All went to training classes. I never saw a single example of dogs like these attending. The classes are full of respectable people with the type of family friendly pets we all know. Mind you, I've never needed to put any of my dogs in a crate (cage) either and nor have any of my experienced friends including shooters with gun dogs, so what do I know.
The Hypno-Toad said:
m4tti said:
I can see the BBC News have an article on the most recent XL bully death, and some “well wisher” local dog trainer has popped up talking about “how she helps local bully owners”.
It’s fairly tedious and repetitive rhetoric from these types about the people needing help.
With this breed it really isn’t, it’s a result of poor line breeding and genetics. You’d think a “dog trainer” would have a simple of grasp of all this.
This is a 10 minute read, but covers the history of these dogs quite well and how the current situation has evolved in the uk.
https://bullywatch.link/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/#...
I think some of the names of the dogs and even of the breeding businesses on that link are just like the actual name and the nature of the breed. It’s fairly tedious and repetitive rhetoric from these types about the people needing help.
With this breed it really isn’t, it’s a result of poor line breeding and genetics. You’d think a “dog trainer” would have a simple of grasp of all this.
This is a 10 minute read, but covers the history of these dogs quite well and how the current situation has evolved in the uk.
https://bullywatch.link/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/#...
As other people have said, people don't but these dogs because they are cute and cuddly. They buy them for the implied threat of possible violence towards other people, for intimidation and for projection of how they want to be perceived amongst their peers.
"I bought a dog called Cannibal Pits White Demon from a breeder called Tribe Bully Kennels. Its well hard,"
I find it horrific to be honest.
Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Tuesday 21st May 16:14
The sooner it sinks in that this isn’t a training problem it’s a genetic issue, the sooner the deaths will stop. Self appointed dog trainers won’t help, by playing along with the training issue.
Highly reactive dogs, that take very little to trigger them.
https://bullywatch.link/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/#...
A horrific read which shows the organisations preaching it isn't the breed don't know what they are talking about
A horrific read which shows the organisations preaching it isn't the breed don't know what they are talking about
irc said:
https://bullywatch.link/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/#...
A horrific read which shows the organisations preaching it isn't the breed don't know what they are talking about
Yes it’s absolute madness. These are fighting line dogs, line bred to exacerbate certain features. A horrific read which shows the organisations preaching it isn't the breed don't know what they are talking about
It’s no surprise the lady in Hornchurch ended up becoming a victim. What ever she did triggered them, and regardless of any amount of training she attended, or “positive reinforcement” she did, she simply would never be in a position to take control of them.
Edited by m4tti on Tuesday 21st May 20:09
Sycamore said:
I regularly see one nearby being when walking our dogs. It's muzzled, but everyone, myself included still gives it a wide berth because the f
ker probably knows martial arts or something so doesn't even need to bite you to be able to do you in.
I'd give them a wide berth, because you only need to look at the photos of people's muzzled pitbulls to know that many of them will be pushed off by the dog should they want to get at you.ker probably knows martial arts or something so doesn't even need to bite you to be able to do you in. Example:
https://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/resources/images/176...
m4tti said:
irc said:
https://bullywatch.link/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/#...
A horrific read which shows the organisations preaching it isn't the breed don't know what they are talking about
Yes it’s absolute madness. These are fighting line dogs, line bred to exacerbate certain features. A horrific read which shows the organisations preaching it isn't the breed don't know what they are talking about
It’s no surprise the lady in Hornchurch ended up becoming a victim. What ever she did triggered them, and regardless of any amount of training she attended, or “positive reinforcement” she did, she simply would never be in a position to take control of them.
Sycamore said:
I regularly see one nearby being when walking our dogs. It's muzzled, but everyone, myself included still gives it a wide berth because the fker probably knows martial arts or something so doesn't even need to bite you to be able to do you in.
There's one walked around these parts, regularly off lead and without a muzzle. Reported to the local police but unless they see it they aren't interested. They have the registration of the car it's brought in, and told them it's same time every evening but I was told to call them if we spot the dog and it's owner. ker probably knows martial arts or something so doesn't even need to bite you to be able to do you in. The dog itself doesn't appear overly aggressive, however it has once lunged at our dog and the woman who walks it cannot control it on a lead as it's far too big and strong for her.
I have a 14yr old black Labrador so it's just easier to avoid the area rather than put our dog at risk.
Killer2005 said:
There's one walked around these parts, regularly off lead and without a muzzle. Reported to the local police but unless they see it they aren't interested. They have the registration of the car it's brought in, and told them it's same time every evening but I was told to call them if we spot the dog and it's owner.
The dog itself doesn't appear overly aggressive, however it has once lunged at our dog and the woman who walks it cannot control it on a lead as it's far too big and strong for her.
I have a 14yr old black Labrador so it's just easier to avoid the area rather than put our dog at risk.
Same time same place every evening, just go out for a coincidental walk and spot the f**ker and then phone it in, surely? Don’t need to have your dog with you.The dog itself doesn't appear overly aggressive, however it has once lunged at our dog and the woman who walks it cannot control it on a lead as it's far too big and strong for her.
I have a 14yr old black Labrador so it's just easier to avoid the area rather than put our dog at risk.
Another XL bully owner seriously injured by her dogs. Maybe I,m a bad person but I can't find any sympathy for her. It isn't just their own family these owners out at risk
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2vvgx1y1x8o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2vvgx1y1x8o
The Hypno-Toad said:
m4tti said:
I can see the BBC News have an article on the most recent XL bully death, and some “well wisher” local dog trainer has popped up talking about “how she helps local bully owners”.
It’s fairly tedious and repetitive rhetoric from these types about the people needing help.
With this breed it really isn’t, it’s a result of poor line breeding and genetics. You’d think a “dog trainer” would have a simple of grasp of all this.
This is a 10 minute read, but covers the history of these dogs quite well and how the current situation has evolved in the uk.
https://bullywatch.link/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/#...
I think some of the names of the dogs and even of the breeding businesses on that link are just like the actual name and the nature of the breed. It’s fairly tedious and repetitive rhetoric from these types about the people needing help.
With this breed it really isn’t, it’s a result of poor line breeding and genetics. You’d think a “dog trainer” would have a simple of grasp of all this.
This is a 10 minute read, but covers the history of these dogs quite well and how the current situation has evolved in the uk.
https://bullywatch.link/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/#...
As other people have said, people don't but these dogs because they are cute and cuddly. They buy them for the implied threat of possible violence towards other people, for intimidation and for projection of how they want to be perceived amongst their peers.
"I bought a dog called Cannibal Pits White Demon from a breeder called Tribe Bully Kennels. Its well hard,"
I find it horrific to be honest.
Edited by The Hypno-Toad on Tuesday 21st May 16:14
irc said:
Another XL bully owner seriously injured by her dogs. Maybe I,m a bad person but I can't find any sympathy for her. It isn't just their own family these owners out at risk
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2vvgx1y1x8o
What is it with women buying a pair of land sharks ?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2vvgx1y1x8o
I thought it was mainly mentally unstable, jobless "uncles" that get one to look well hard and try and get some status ?
What woman thinks "I would like a dog, tell you what I will get a 60 kilo killing machine, no sod that, I shall get a pair of them as one might not be sufficient to eviscerate me completely if I sneeze, look at them funny or something"
Dont think anyone should have these really, not trying to be sexist here but its true that women, on average arent as strong so getting something so powerful is foolish for anyone, but a woman getting two seems so stupid.
Suppose at least that, however unfortunate its the owners copping for their own poor choices rather than someone that isnt involved.
swisstoni said:
Why shouldn’t all dogs be muzzled when out in public?
They might be able to shove themselves and others to death but that would be about it.
Thats a sledhammer to crack a nut imho.They might be able to shove themselves and others to death but that would be about it.
I got out with my 8 kilo, 15 year old mongrel at around 10pm, he hasnt ever bitten anybody and we dont see anyone by and large, and even if he did bite it wouldnt be exactly life threatening.
Its like saying all men must wear some kind of iron pants because some tiny percentage of men are rapists.
A large proportion of dog bites occur in the home anyway where a dog would not be muzzled, its very rare for a well socialised and trained dog to bite a stranger unprovoked, its usually the scummy owners dogs causing the problems and they dont abide by any rules anyway by and large.
Maybe for certain breeds or sized dogs, but for most it would be total overkill and largely unenforceable, people also tend to moan about things getting banned and legislated against, depending on whether it affects them or they dont like something, like banning cycling gets mentioned.
Southerner said:
Killer2005 said:
There's one walked around these parts, regularly off lead and without a muzzle. Reported to the local police but unless they see it they aren't interested. They have the registration of the car it's brought in, and told them it's same time every evening but I was told to call them if we spot the dog and it's owner.
The dog itself doesn't appear overly aggressive, however it has once lunged at our dog and the woman who walks it cannot control it on a lead as it's far too big and strong for her.
I have a 14yr old black Labrador so it's just easier to avoid the area rather than put our dog at risk.
Same time same place every evening, just go out for a coincidental walk and spot the f**ker and then phone it in, surely? Don’t need to have your dog with you.The dog itself doesn't appear overly aggressive, however it has once lunged at our dog and the woman who walks it cannot control it on a lead as it's far too big and strong for her.
I have a 14yr old black Labrador so it's just easier to avoid the area rather than put our dog at risk.
J4CKO said:
swisstoni said:
Why shouldn’t all dogs be muzzled when out in public?
They might be able to shove themselves and others to death but that would be about it.
Thats a sledhammer to crack a nut imho.They might be able to shove themselves and others to death but that would be about it.
I got out with my 8 kilo, 15 year old mongrel at around 10pm, he hasnt ever bitten anybody and we dont see anyone by and large, and even if he did bite it wouldnt be exactly life threatening.
Its like saying all men must wear some kind of iron pants because some tiny percentage of men are rapists.
A large proportion of dog bites occur in the home anyway where a dog would not be muzzled, its very rare for a well socialised and trained dog to bite a stranger unprovoked, its usually the scummy owners dogs causing the problems and they dont abide by any rules anyway by and large.
Maybe for certain breeds or sized dogs, but for most it would be total overkill and largely unenforceable, people also tend to moan about things getting banned and legislated against, depending on whether it affects them or they dont like something, like banning cycling gets mentioned.
irc said:
Another XL bully owner seriously injured by her dogs. Maybe I,m a bad person but I can't find any sympathy for her. It isn't just their own family these owners out at risk
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2vvgx1y1x8o
As per that Bullywatch link I posted, these will just keep happening… it’s amazing the owners haven’t made any effort to understand what’s potentially behind the ongoing problem https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2vvgx1y1x8o
swisstoni said:
J4CKO said:
swisstoni said:
Why shouldn’t all dogs be muzzled when out in public?
They might be able to shove themselves and others to death but that would be about it.
Thats a sledhammer to crack a nut imho.They might be able to shove themselves and others to death but that would be about it.
I got out with my 8 kilo, 15 year old mongrel at around 10pm, he hasnt ever bitten anybody and we dont see anyone by and large, and even if he did bite it wouldnt be exactly life threatening.
Its like saying all men must wear some kind of iron pants because some tiny percentage of men are rapists.
A large proportion of dog bites occur in the home anyway where a dog would not be muzzled, its very rare for a well socialised and trained dog to bite a stranger unprovoked, its usually the scummy owners dogs causing the problems and they dont abide by any rules anyway by and large.
Maybe for certain breeds or sized dogs, but for most it would be total overkill and largely unenforceable, people also tend to moan about things getting banned and legislated against, depending on whether it affects them or they dont like something, like banning cycling gets mentioned.
If I had a big dog, even if it wasnt particularity aggressive, I would likely muzzle it for other peoples peace of mind.
RumbleOfThunder said:
The most terrifying thing for me is that once these good as gold angels flip, they never stop until it's victim or itself is dead. It's never a singular bite is it.
They're not one bite dogs, for the most part. However a guy who lives in the same street as my friend had his entire top lip torn off by his XL Bully. However, he said it was just one nip from the dog after he accidentally tripped over on it. Some nip! You're right though, in most of the attacks I've seen it tends to be prolonged and savage, only being stopped by several gunshots.
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