Gunmen attack prison van in France, free pris, kill guards

Gunmen attack prison van in France, free pris, kill guards

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epom

11,658 posts

163 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Daz68 said:
Just shocking watching that video. Why such a massive and very violent attack to get this bloke free? There must be more to this than a burglary and kidnapping charges?
Depends on who was burgled/kidnapped I guess.

abzmike

8,551 posts

108 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Terminator X said:
How can they be armed like that and with so many weapons. Must be hard to get hold of surely.

TX.
Organised crime and terrorist organisations are very resourceful.

I was just thinking at the weekend, it’ll be a miracle if something doesn’t go off at the Olympics in Paris.

pork911

7,273 posts

185 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Terminator X said:
How can they be armed like that and with so many weapons. Must be hard to get hold of surely.

TX.
I suspect they are criminals.

And there is a well stocked war in Europe.

Etc

768

13,823 posts

98 months

Tuesday 14th May
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BikeBikeBIke said:
Was that a grenade at the end?
Looked like it, or some incendiary device. They weren't doing it by halves.

Peugeot 3008?

isaldiri

18,786 posts

170 months

Tuesday 14th May
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pork911 said:
I suspect they are criminals.

And there is a well stocked war in Europe.

Etc
Getting weapons via Marseille by way of all the various conflict areas in north Africa likely was possible long before the ukraine war.

milkround

1,130 posts

81 months

Tuesday 14th May
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abzmike said:
Terminator X said:
How can they be armed like that and with so many weapons. Must be hard to get hold of surely.

TX.
Organised crime and terrorist organisations are very resourceful.

I was just thinking at the weekend, it’ll be a miracle if something doesn’t go off at the Olympics in Paris.
A good few years ago there was a big rise in grenade attacks in Manchester and Liverpool. It was suspected that the grenades were coming from British Soldiers - so our kit got checked and searched more carefully. That was in Afghan/Iraq.

There is now a big war going on in Ukraine. Which is close enough by land. For the next 20odd years we are going to see the fallout of the weapons that leak out of the conflict throughout Europe. This lot probably are not connected to it. But just wait to see the amount of stuff hitting the black market in the medium to long term.


fly by wire

3,271 posts

127 months

Tuesday 14th May
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isaldiri said:
Getting weapons via Marseille by way of all the various conflict areas in north Africa likely was possible long before the ukraine war.
I've lived in Belgium and France and it was apparent that Europe was awash with serious military weaponry, especially after the war in Yugoslavia.

Cheib

23,346 posts

177 months

Tuesday 14th May
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fly by wire said:
isaldiri said:
Getting weapons via Marseille by way of all the various conflict areas in north Africa likely was possible long before the ukraine war.
I've lived in Belgium and France and it was apparent that Europe was awash with serious military weaponry, especially after the war in Yugoslavia.
I remember after the November 15th Terrorist attacks in Paris there was a fair bit of coverage about where the weapons came from. I think as you say Yugoslavia, Balkan conflicts and parts of Eastern Europe where corruption was rife 20 years ago….a lot of weapons found there way on to the European black market and they’re still there. It’s apparently much harder to get hold of guns in the UK than mainland Europe.

borcy

3,192 posts

58 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Looked a pretty professional action from the gang.


The French have plenty of units to swamp the area with, hopefully they'll be found soon.


darreni

3,837 posts

272 months

Tuesday 14th May
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768 said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
Was that a grenade at the end?
Looked like it, or some incendiary device. They weren't doing it by halves.

Peugeot 3008?
The official statement mentioned “ heavy weapons”

MBVitoria

2,421 posts

225 months

Tuesday 14th May
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fk me that's awful. Hope the perpetrators and prisoner are swiftly caught.

Abbott

2,487 posts

205 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Watching the video it strikes me as being really odd that 2 trucks appear to just casually carry on passing through the toll booth with bedlam breaking out.
Also the villains appear to make their exit in car behind the barriers that are booked by the vans

CoolHands

18,829 posts

197 months

Tuesday 14th May
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The bloke they freed just sounds like a pretty minor scrote, which is weird. Inside for burglary!

At least we only have sword fighting in London. Still, go soft on crime and that’s what we get.

g4ry13

17,190 posts

257 months

Tuesday 14th May
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CoolHands said:
The bloke they freed just sounds like a pretty minor scrote, which is weird. Inside for burglary!

At least we only have sword fighting in London. Still, go soft on crime and that’s what we get.
Media outlets were claiming he was some drug boss.

Seeing the operation his backup were able to arrange i'd say he's a bit more than a "minor scrote".

abzmike

8,551 posts

108 months

Wednesday 15th May
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From the BBC…

Prosecutors identified the inmate who was freed as Mohamed Amra, born in 1994. Amra was convicted of burglary on 10 May and had been indicted by prosecutors in Marseille for a kidnapping that led to a death.

The 30-year-old inmate is said to have ties to a gang in the southern city of Marseille, which has been plagued by drug-related gang violence.

A tea leaf with fingers in bigger pies… has the nickname of ‘the fly’

Fast and Spurious

1,371 posts

90 months

Wednesday 15th May
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abzmike said:
From the BBC…

Prosecutors identified the inmate who was freed as Mohamed Amra, born in 1994. Amra was convicted of burglary on 10 May and had been indicted by prosecutors in Marseille for a kidnapping that led to a death.

The 30-year-old inmate is said to have ties to a gang in the southern city of Marseille, which has been plagued by drug-related gang violence.

A tea leaf with fingers in bigger pies… has the nickname of ‘the fly’
I've seen that film... doesn't end well.

gotoPzero

17,383 posts

191 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Cheib said:
fly by wire said:
isaldiri said:
Getting weapons via Marseille by way of all the various conflict areas in north Africa likely was possible long before the ukraine war.
I've lived in Belgium and France and it was apparent that Europe was awash with serious military weaponry, especially after the war in Yugoslavia.
I remember after the November 15th Terrorist attacks in Paris there was a fair bit of coverage about where the weapons came from. I think as you say Yugoslavia, Balkan conflicts and parts of Eastern Europe where corruption was rife 20 years ago….a lot of weapons found there way on to the European black market and they’re still there. It’s apparently much harder to get hold of guns in the UK than mainland Europe.
Something thats kept very quiet is the number of guns that get lifted by the UKBF. IIRC its into the 100s a year. Never gets mentioned in the media because they dont want you to think ... hmm.. I wonder how many they DONT find....


andyA700

2,829 posts

39 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Terminator X said:
How can they be armed like that and with so many weapons. Must be hard to get hold of surely.

TX.
It is mainland Europe, very easy to get those weapons, mostly from Eastern Europe. This happened in Kent a few years ago.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-3392579...

CrgT16

1,992 posts

110 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Terrible events.

In the UK. we continue to underinvest, almost ignore our security. Both in police underinvestment or armed forces.

If you let organised crime rise there will be a tipping point we’re reining it back in is very difficult like South America.

We should have a special skill unit separate from police to tackle this seriously. The segregation from mainstream police is needed to minimise risk of corruption. It needs serious thinking.

I don’t feel as safe in the U.K. as I used too.

Tango13

8,507 posts

178 months

Wednesday 15th May
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He was facing some serious charges relating to a kidnapping and death? Makes me wonder if he was going to talk to reduce his sentence so the gang grabbed him to prevent him talking, maybe he's already been 'silenced' by the gang?