Teacher guilty of sex with two boys
Discussion
otolith said:
Leptons said:
otolith said:
He’s going to be paying child support until his 30’s.
Statement is beyond thick.https://www.reddit.com/r/LegalAdviceUK/comments/16...
ETA, when the teacher gets out of the nick she will be the one paying the child support payments.
Edited by Leptons on Tuesday 21st May 12:24
oddman said:
The 'time of their lives' advocates might give consideration to the fact that a 30 year old woman, especially a teacher, knows that 15 year old boys are basically embodied erections and to all intents and purposes walking spunk bombs. This makes them vulnerable. [SNIP]
If your frame of reference for judging the rights and wrongs of this is beaming back to your 15 year old Beavis and Butthead self then it time for some introspection.
Agreed.If your frame of reference for judging the rights and wrongs of this is beaming back to your 15 year old Beavis and Butthead self then it time for some introspection.
Edited by oddman on Sunday 19th May 13:38
I can easily see that as a 15 year old, having it away with your teacher sounds epic, but to put it in a different context:
A toddler really likes icecream and ketchup. The parent, who should know better, only feeds said child icecream and ketchup. If that toddler now becomes sick and dies through malnutrition. "Oh, but they really enjoyed dinner times, they just yummed it all up!" isn't a proper excuse, because the parent SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER.
This teacher knows better. There are reasons why a person is in a position of responsibility over another and needs to take that responsibility seriously, especially in her job.
Though if my old French teacher is reading this - I'm well up for a fumble.
Rufus Stone said:
Was that teacher in prison at the time?
Conditional discharge and sex offender's register. Obviously the CMS won't come after him if he's got custody, but the point was that children who are groomed and become fathers do not escape the financial obligations which come with it.Dibble said:
‘Statutory rape’ isn’t a thing in England/Wales.
Also, a woman can’t commit the physical act of rape in England/Wales as the legislation (s1, Sexual Offences Act 2003) specifically refers to penetration of vagina/anus/mouth with a penis. Obviously I’m opening up the whole debate about trans women pre gender reassignment surgery still having a penis. Another of PH’s favourite topics.
(With the caveat to the above that this woman was convicted of rape, but that’s more an aid/abet/procure/cause/incite type conviction than the actual act itself. https://www.cps.gov.uk/mersey-cheshire/news/woman-... )
One of my work hats is that I’m a specialist victim/ witness interviewer, for vulnerable/intimidated victims/witnesses and I’ve video interviewed plenty of children who were victims of some horrendous grooming/sexual assaults. They often don’t think they’re victims, but (sweeping generalisation here) these are often children from deprived backgrounds with terribly broken family units, so they see anyone paying them a bit of attention as a good thing, when to any objective observer they’re clearly victims.
Some of the “not justifications” on this thread are terribly depressing. It’s a shame some of those posters can’t see the testimony of these victims, who sometimes do return repeatedly, because any bit of “love” they’re shown is better than nothing. These kids end up permanently damaged, psychologically and often physically. They generally lack the emotional/social maturity to make good choices, even when they’re over the age of consent.
I think some of the "it's wrong but on the other hand..." gang should read this.Also, a woman can’t commit the physical act of rape in England/Wales as the legislation (s1, Sexual Offences Act 2003) specifically refers to penetration of vagina/anus/mouth with a penis. Obviously I’m opening up the whole debate about trans women pre gender reassignment surgery still having a penis. Another of PH’s favourite topics.
(With the caveat to the above that this woman was convicted of rape, but that’s more an aid/abet/procure/cause/incite type conviction than the actual act itself. https://www.cps.gov.uk/mersey-cheshire/news/woman-... )
One of my work hats is that I’m a specialist victim/ witness interviewer, for vulnerable/intimidated victims/witnesses and I’ve video interviewed plenty of children who were victims of some horrendous grooming/sexual assaults. They often don’t think they’re victims, but (sweeping generalisation here) these are often children from deprived backgrounds with terribly broken family units, so they see anyone paying them a bit of attention as a good thing, when to any objective observer they’re clearly victims.
Some of the “not justifications” on this thread are terribly depressing. It’s a shame some of those posters can’t see the testimony of these victims, who sometimes do return repeatedly, because any bit of “love” they’re shown is better than nothing. These kids end up permanently damaged, psychologically and often physically. They generally lack the emotional/social maturity to make good choices, even when they’re over the age of consent.
Then read it again.
Then think about it.
Then go have a look in the mirror.
Dibble said:
‘Statutory rape’ isn’t a thing in England/Wales.
Also, a woman can’t commit the physical act of rape in England/Wales as the legislation (s1, Sexual Offences Act 2003) specifically refers to penetration of vagina/anus/mouth with a penis. Obviously I’m opening up the whole debate about trans women pre gender reassignment surgery still having a penis. Another of PH’s favourite topics.
(With the caveat to the above that this woman was convicted of rape, but that’s more an aid/abet/procure/cause/incite type conviction than the actual act itself. https://www.cps.gov.uk/mersey-cheshire/news/woman-... )
One of my work hats is that I’m a specialist victim/ witness interviewer, for vulnerable/intimidated victims/witnesses and I’ve video interviewed plenty of children who were victims of some horrendous grooming/sexual assaults. They often don’t think they’re victims, but (sweeping generalisation here) these are often children from deprived backgrounds with terribly broken family units, so they see anyone paying them a bit of attention as a good thing, when to any objective observer they’re clearly victims.
Some of the “not justifications” on this thread are terribly depressing. It’s a shame some of those posters can’t see the testimony of these victims, who sometimes do return repeatedly, because any bit of “love” they’re shown is better than nothing. These kids end up permanently damaged, psychologically and often physically. They generally lack the emotional/social maturity to make good choices, even when they’re over the age of consent.
Surely the meaning of statutory rape is sexual activity with a child who is not old enough to consent to sex, isn't that in the UK under 13 according to UK law? Don't really get why women can't be charged with statutory rape in the UK.Also, a woman can’t commit the physical act of rape in England/Wales as the legislation (s1, Sexual Offences Act 2003) specifically refers to penetration of vagina/anus/mouth with a penis. Obviously I’m opening up the whole debate about trans women pre gender reassignment surgery still having a penis. Another of PH’s favourite topics.
(With the caveat to the above that this woman was convicted of rape, but that’s more an aid/abet/procure/cause/incite type conviction than the actual act itself. https://www.cps.gov.uk/mersey-cheshire/news/woman-... )
One of my work hats is that I’m a specialist victim/ witness interviewer, for vulnerable/intimidated victims/witnesses and I’ve video interviewed plenty of children who were victims of some horrendous grooming/sexual assaults. They often don’t think they’re victims, but (sweeping generalisation here) these are often children from deprived backgrounds with terribly broken family units, so they see anyone paying them a bit of attention as a good thing, when to any objective observer they’re clearly victims.
Some of the “not justifications” on this thread are terribly depressing. It’s a shame some of those posters can’t see the testimony of these victims, who sometimes do return repeatedly, because any bit of “love” they’re shown is better than nothing. These kids end up permanently damaged, psychologically and often physically. They generally lack the emotional/social maturity to make good choices, even when they’re over the age of consent.
The law actually says a child over 13 can consent to sex but sex with a child under 16 is unlawful
Offences against children under 16 (sections 9 - 13)
The 2003 Act provides that the age of consent is 16. Sections 9 -13 clarify that any sexual activity involving consenting children under 16 is unlawful.Sections 9-12 cover adult defendants. Section 13 relates to child defendants.
Randy Winkman said:
mwstewart said:
Rufus Stone said:
otolith said:
Spending his teens and twenties as a single father. That is a life changing consequence.
What makes you think he will remain single?The attitude of some people to parenthood is strange.
Oliver Hardy said:
Dibble said:
‘Statutory rape’ isn’t a thing in England/Wales.
Also, a woman can’t commit the physical act of rape in England/Wales as the legislation (s1, Sexual Offences Act 2003) specifically refers to penetration of vagina/anus/mouth with a penis. Obviously I’m opening up the whole debate about trans women pre gender reassignment surgery still having a penis. Another of PH’s favourite topics.
(With the caveat to the above that this woman was convicted of rape, but that’s more an aid/abet/procure/cause/incite type conviction than the actual act itself. https://www.cps.gov.uk/mersey-cheshire/news/woman-... )
One of my work hats is that I’m a specialist victim/ witness interviewer, for vulnerable/intimidated victims/witnesses and I’ve video interviewed plenty of children who were victims of some horrendous grooming/sexual assaults. They often don’t think they’re victims, but (sweeping generalisation here) these are often children from deprived backgrounds with terribly broken family units, so they see anyone paying them a bit of attention as a good thing, when to any objective observer they’re clearly victims.
Some of the “not justifications” on this thread are terribly depressing. It’s a shame some of those posters can’t see the testimony of these victims, who sometimes do return repeatedly, because any bit of “love” they’re shown is better than nothing. These kids end up permanently damaged, psychologically and often physically. They generally lack the emotional/social maturity to make good choices, even when they’re over the age of consent.
Surely the meaning of statutory rape is sexual activity with a child who is not old enough to consent to sex, isn't that in the UK under 13 according to UK law? Don't really get why women can't be charged with statutory rape in the UK.Also, a woman can’t commit the physical act of rape in England/Wales as the legislation (s1, Sexual Offences Act 2003) specifically refers to penetration of vagina/anus/mouth with a penis. Obviously I’m opening up the whole debate about trans women pre gender reassignment surgery still having a penis. Another of PH’s favourite topics.
(With the caveat to the above that this woman was convicted of rape, but that’s more an aid/abet/procure/cause/incite type conviction than the actual act itself. https://www.cps.gov.uk/mersey-cheshire/news/woman-... )
One of my work hats is that I’m a specialist victim/ witness interviewer, for vulnerable/intimidated victims/witnesses and I’ve video interviewed plenty of children who were victims of some horrendous grooming/sexual assaults. They often don’t think they’re victims, but (sweeping generalisation here) these are often children from deprived backgrounds with terribly broken family units, so they see anyone paying them a bit of attention as a good thing, when to any objective observer they’re clearly victims.
Some of the “not justifications” on this thread are terribly depressing. It’s a shame some of those posters can’t see the testimony of these victims, who sometimes do return repeatedly, because any bit of “love” they’re shown is better than nothing. These kids end up permanently damaged, psychologically and often physically. They generally lack the emotional/social maturity to make good choices, even when they’re over the age of consent.
The law actually says a child over 13 can consent to sex but sex with a child under 16 is unlawful
Offences against children under 16 (sections 9 - 13)
The 2003 Act provides that the age of consent is 16. Sections 9 -13 clarify that any sexual activity involving consenting children under 16 is unlawful.Sections 9-12 cover adult defendants. Section 13 relates to child defendants.
Randy Winkman said:
mwstewart said:
Rufus Stone said:
otolith said:
Spending his teens and twenties as a single father. That is a life changing consequence.
What makes you think he will remain single?The attitude of some people to parenthood is strange.
Oliver Hardy said:
Surely the meaning of statutory rape is sexual activity with a child who is not old enough to consent to sex, isn't that in the UK under 13 according to UK law? Don't really get why women can't be charged with statutory rape in the UK.
The law actually says a child over 13 can consent to sex but sex with a child under 16 is unlawful
I worded it badly. It’s not known in England/Wales as statutory rape. If the child consents, it’s still not true consent, because a child under 16 (in law) can’t consent to sex.The law actually says a child over 13 can consent to sex but sex with a child under 16 is unlawful
Good friend of mine has been a teacher since he was 25. Grammar schools mostly.
When in our 30s I used to visit and we would hit the town with him or sometimes a couple of teacher friends. On a number of occasions we would leave a pub or club due to current or ex pupils, female, being there.
One night we had a group of girls come up to us in a club….’hello Sir, would you like to see us kiss?’ Etc etc…. Him and friends - no thanks. Right we are leaving now.
They were sixth formers that had left the previous year. Technically ‘civilians’ I guess but my friend wants absolutely no hint of impropriety. Tongues could wag even being seen chatting and laughing with them - let alone drinking.
He has said that the amount of relationships he has seen between kids that have left school and younger teachers. Some of these must have started at school.
I had an issue a few years back now with the daughter of our neighbours. In the end my partner and I had to sit down and have a chat with the parents. She was 16(?) and a few things happened where I was not at all comfortable.
Parents very understanding and had a chat with her….i think hormones had kicked in or something or was suddenly aware of ‘power over men’.
You can see how less scrupulous people can take advantage of youngsters.
My female sports teacher married a guy from the year above me at school, almost as soon as he had left school. This was in the ‘80s and I recall people just finding it funny.
When in our 30s I used to visit and we would hit the town with him or sometimes a couple of teacher friends. On a number of occasions we would leave a pub or club due to current or ex pupils, female, being there.
One night we had a group of girls come up to us in a club….’hello Sir, would you like to see us kiss?’ Etc etc…. Him and friends - no thanks. Right we are leaving now.
They were sixth formers that had left the previous year. Technically ‘civilians’ I guess but my friend wants absolutely no hint of impropriety. Tongues could wag even being seen chatting and laughing with them - let alone drinking.
He has said that the amount of relationships he has seen between kids that have left school and younger teachers. Some of these must have started at school.
I had an issue a few years back now with the daughter of our neighbours. In the end my partner and I had to sit down and have a chat with the parents. She was 16(?) and a few things happened where I was not at all comfortable.
Parents very understanding and had a chat with her….i think hormones had kicked in or something or was suddenly aware of ‘power over men’.
You can see how less scrupulous people can take advantage of youngsters.
My female sports teacher married a guy from the year above me at school, almost as soon as he had left school. This was in the ‘80s and I recall people just finding it funny.
otolith said:
Rufus Stone said:
otolith said:
That doesn’t sound like an improvement.
What?
k it.The type of 15 year old a teacher is willing to have sex with isnt going to be you or me geeky 15 year old. It will be the bad boy of the class probably quite cocky anyway and in future likely to be a single father to a couple of different mothers anyway...
Thats alot of assumptions I know but smoking hot sex mad teacher isnt going to be shagging little jonny harry potter specy geek is she?
Flame suit on lol
asfault said:
otolith said:
Rufus Stone said:
otolith said:
That doesn’t sound like an improvement.
What?k it.The type of 15 year old a teacher is willing to have sex with isnt going to be you or me geeky 15 year old. It will be the bad boy of the class probably quite cocky anyway and in future likely to be a single father to a couple of different mothers anyway...
Thats alot of assumptions I know but smoking hot sex mad teacher isnt going to be shagging little jonny harry potter specy geek is she?
Flame suit on lol
I don't associate with paedos to know their preferences.
g4ry13 said:
asfault said:
otolith said:
Rufus Stone said:
otolith said:
That doesn’t sound like an improvement.
What?k it.The type of 15 year old a teacher is willing to have sex with isnt going to be you or me geeky 15 year old. It will be the bad boy of the class probably quite cocky anyway and in future likely to be a single father to a couple of different mothers anyway...
Thats alot of assumptions I know but smoking hot sex mad teacher isnt going to be shagging little jonny harry potter specy geek is she?
Flame suit on lol
I don't associate with paedos to know their preferences.
These characteristics are about the ability to delay gratification. The cocky bad boy can't; the more studious pupil can. A predator will spot this.
Another assumption is that this story started in the classroom or school. It probably started years before in the personal history of the perpetrator and her choice (conscious or otherwise) to take a role that placed her in authority over children.
asfault said:
Heres a massive assumption of a comment from me her but fk it.
The type of 15 year old a teacher is willing to have sex with isnt going to be you or me geeky 15 year old. It will be the bad boy of the class probably quite cocky anyway and in future likely to be a single father to a couple of different mothers anyway...
I think the police made similar assumptions about the girls in the grooming gang scandals.k it.The type of 15 year old a teacher is willing to have sex with isnt going to be you or me geeky 15 year old. It will be the bad boy of the class probably quite cocky anyway and in future likely to be a single father to a couple of different mothers anyway...
asfault said:
Heres a massive assumption of a comment from me her but fk it.
The type of 15 year old a teacher is willing to have sex with isnt going to be you or me geeky 15 year old. It will be the bad boy of the class probably quite cocky anyway and in future likely to be a single father to a couple of different mothers anyway...
Thats alot of assumptions I know but smoking hot sex mad teacher isnt going to be shagging little jonny harry potter specy geek is she?
Flame suit on lol
That's brilliant.k it.The type of 15 year old a teacher is willing to have sex with isnt going to be you or me geeky 15 year old. It will be the bad boy of the class probably quite cocky anyway and in future likely to be a single father to a couple of different mothers anyway...
Thats alot of assumptions I know but smoking hot sex mad teacher isnt going to be shagging little jonny harry potter specy geek is she?
Flame suit on lol
Turn it on its head.
30 year old bloke goes after the "bad girl of the class" because she'll probably end up having a couple kids anyway and hey he's not going to shag the ugly ones is he?
Still thinking about it the same way?
Is it just me or is some of the stuff on this thread sickening?
oddman said:
g4ry13 said:
asfault said:
otolith said:
Rufus Stone said:
otolith said:
That doesn’t sound like an improvement.
What?k it.The type of 15 year old a teacher is willing to have sex with isnt going to be you or me geeky 15 year old. It will be the bad boy of the class probably quite cocky anyway and in future likely to be a single father to a couple of different mothers anyway...
Thats alot of assumptions I know but smoking hot sex mad teacher isnt going to be shagging little jonny harry potter specy geek is she?
Flame suit on lol
I don't associate with paedos to know their preferences.
These characteristics are about the ability to delay gratification. The cocky bad boy can't; the more studious pupil can. A predator will spot this.
Another assumption is that this story started in the classroom or school. It probably started years before in the personal history of the perpetrator and her choice (conscious or otherwise) to take a role that placed her in authority over children.
My wife works in a school and has to tell the girls to cover up, see the odd one round and I think some girls get their new "stuff" and feel the urge to display it, my sister is law was telling us about her three daughters and trying to get them to reign it in, but they see Love Island, all over social media and now think thats what you do to be liked.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:asfault said:
Heres a massive assumption of a comment from me her but fk it.
The type of 15 year old a teacher is willing to have sex with isnt going to be you or me geeky 15 year old. It will be the bad boy of the class probably quite cocky anyway and in future likely to be a single father to a couple of different mothers anyway...
Thats alot of assumptions I know but smoking hot sex mad teacher isnt going to be shagging little jonny harry potter specy geek is she?
Flame suit on lol
That's brilliant.k it.The type of 15 year old a teacher is willing to have sex with isnt going to be you or me geeky 15 year old. It will be the bad boy of the class probably quite cocky anyway and in future likely to be a single father to a couple of different mothers anyway...
Thats alot of assumptions I know but smoking hot sex mad teacher isnt going to be shagging little jonny harry potter specy geek is she?
Flame suit on lol
Turn it on its head.
30 year old bloke goes after the "bad girl of the class" because she'll probably end up having a couple kids anyway and hey he's not going to shag the ugly ones is he?
Still thinking about it the same way?
Is it just me or is some of the stuff on this thread sickening?
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