Who's have thunk it? UC recipient bank account access trail
Discussion
Electro1980 said:
The fact that you use the phrases “benefits brigade” and “not quite paying enough” says everything about your attitude. That people claiming benefits are one unworthy mass, and should be grateful, and tax dodgers are just a little bit bad.
That about sums it up, think you’ve hit the nail on the head for once. Must a first for NP&E! Chrisgr31 said:
If the estimate for benefit fraud is low surely it’s possible the estimate for small business tax evasion is just as low?
Highly likely yes however is the money going into the economey or just been taken away from those who need it.My guess would be tax evasion is likey a bigger number but benafit fraude should be zero as the goverment already has the cash so should check who gets it.
Gecko1978 said:
Sort of yes however you have to think of the economey as a universe not two entities state and private. So 4.6bn overpaid does not go to where its needed in the economey £20bn not paid does still go into the economey arguably where there is demand (we know it exists because of GDP v receipts etc). If you buy a ferrari you create jobs at the dealer at the service center etc are those jobs not valuble a contribution to society. If you just take out while you will still spend your taking from the pot that is there already as a safety net (the pot would be bigger if the £20bn was paid)
ITs circular really but I can get why you work an want to keep it I cant get why you would make a frudulent claim there does not seem to be a moral equivilence but there is most deifinatly a legal one
What do you think happens to fraudulent benefits claims? They get spent in the economy very rapidly. The savings ratio for money accumulated from unpaid tax is going to be rather higher than that of over-claimed benefits.ITs circular really but I can get why you work an want to keep it I cant get why you would make a frudulent claim there does not seem to be a moral equivilence but there is most deifinatly a legal one
One of the benefits of means-tested benefits is that it is countercyclical. In an economic downtown, increased benefits payments land in the high street almost instantly, partially offsetting the reduction in consumer confidence that will be occurring.
Gecko1978 said:
Chrisgr31 said:
If the estimate for benefit fraud is low surely it’s possible the estimate for small business tax evasion is just as low?
Highly likely yes however is the money going into the economey or just been taken away from those who need it.My guess would be tax evasion is likey a bigger number but benafit fraude should be zero as the goverment already has the cash so should check who gets it.
Leptons said:
Killboy said:
Leptons said:
I’ve seen this nonsense on here before from the same posters.
It’s simple logic. One is more damaging to the economy than the other
Do you have any facts to back this up?It’s simple logic. One is more damaging to the economy than the other
Tax not paid by small businesses when it should be is £20bn a year - https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/measuring...
Leptons said:
ATG said:
As before, your idea about benefits not going into the economy is flawed.
What so because the benefits cheats spend their stolen money in the economy we can gloss over it? 
Only on PistonHeads could someone come out with that.
Edited by Electro1980 on Tuesday 21st May 15:38
Super Sonic said:
Benefit fraud is £6.4bn a year - https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and...
Tax not paid by small businesses when it should be is £20bn a year - https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/measuring...
Really though, how much deeper does it run? Because from what I’ve seen once you’re in that benefits system you’re entitled to;Tax not paid by small businesses when it should be is £20bn a year - https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/measuring...
Free prescriptions
Free School meals
Free School trips
Free Dentist
Free school Bus Passes
And so on
So you’re tell me that’s not more damaging than some company only paying for arguments sake £20k tax when they should be paying £25k?
Leptons said:
ATG said:
As before, your idea about benefits not going into the economy is flawed.
What so because the benefits cheats spend their stolen money in the economy we can gloss over it? Only on PistonHeads could someone come out with that.
You did. You made it up.
Honestly, the number of times people try to "win" arguments by making transparently silly attempts to misrepresent what others have said staggers me.
Leptons said:
Super Sonic said:
Benefit fraud is £6.4bn a year - https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and...
Tax not paid by small businesses when it should be is £20bn a year - https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/measuring...
Really though, how much deeper does it run? Because from what I’ve seen once you’re in that benefits system you’re entitled to;Tax not paid by small businesses when it should be is £20bn a year - https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/measuring...
Free prescriptions
Free School meals
Free School trips
Free Dentist
Free school Bus Passes
And so on
So you’re tell me that’s not more damaging than some company only paying for arguments sake £20k tax when they should be paying £25k?
The numbers are not important, especially as the thing you quote shows which is a bigger problem. The important thing is paying and claiming what you should. Tax and benefit fraud are morally equivalent.
But then you just sound like an awful person who looks down on anyone claiming benefits and thinks tax fraud is fine.
Edited by Electro1980 on Tuesday 21st May 15:43
Electro1980 said:
Are you telling me that someone doing that is doing more damage than some company only paying for arguments sake £100 tax when they should be paying £250k?
The numbers are not important, especially as the thing you quote shows which is a bigger problem. The important thing is paying and claiming what you should. Tax and benefit fraud are morally equivalent.
But then you just sound like an awful person who looks down on anyone claiming benefits and thinks tax fraud is fine.
And you sound like a benefits cheat apologist.The numbers are not important, especially as the thing you quote shows which is a bigger problem. The important thing is paying and claiming what you should. Tax and benefit fraud are morally equivalent.
But then you just sound like an awful person who looks down on anyone claiming benefits and thinks tax fraud is fine.
Edited by Electro1980 on Tuesday 21st May 15:43
I look down on the work shy and people who play the benefits system - I think they’re scum.
ATG said:
Except I don't come up with that did I.
You did. You made it up.
Honestly, the number of times people try to "win" arguments by making transparently silly attempts to misrepresent what others have said staggers me.
You were downplaying it. It’s right there in black and white.You did. You made it up.
Honestly, the number of times people try to "win" arguments by making transparently silly attempts to misrepresent what others have said staggers me.
Killboy said:
Isn't he the one that's sold up his rental properties because of "hostile governments"?
HMRC & the government are like having a partner who takes zero risk but decides (usually badly) how the business should be run, taking a large chunk of the proceeds in return. Lots of take, very little give except for those who choose to suck at the teat of taxpayer funds.Biggy Stardust said:
HMRC & the government are like having a partner who takes zero risk but decides (usually badly) how the business should be run, taking a large chunk of the proceeds in return. Lots of take, very little give except for those who choose to suck at the teat of taxpayer funds.
It's great you can be a tax cheat and at the same time look down on some people Killboy said:
Biggy Stardust said:
HMRC & the government are like having a partner who takes zero risk but decides (usually badly) how the business should be run, taking a large chunk of the proceeds in return. Lots of take, very little give except for those who choose to suck at the teat of taxpayer funds.
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