Lime Nazis won’t like this!

Lime Nazis won’t like this!

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Equus

16,980 posts

103 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Frankychops said:
Can you give an example in a historic, solid wall house where it'd be better?
Yes. smile

QuickQuack

2,276 posts

103 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Equus said:
No, in houses with solid wall construction (which, almost by definition, are not going to be modern construction and methods).

Note that I'm saying in some situations.

You seem to be asking or expecting me to say that 'dry lining with gypsum plasterboard is better than lime plaster' (full stop).

That would be just as absurd as saying that lime plaster is always better than dry lining.

Taking such a black-and-white stance is a sure sign of a fanatic, so I'm guessing you're exactly the sort of Lime Nazi that this thread is aimed at. I'm further guessing that because you are sniping at 'textbook experts', you have little grasp of the complexities involved, so are sticking to blind dogma.
yes
The bit I have bolded applies not only to lime plastering but to all walks of life, and the more complicated the subject and situation, the less applicable such dogmatic statements become. Unfortunately, in most cases, the less one knows, the more they think they know, so their tendency to rely on dogma seems to increase.

QuickQuack

2,276 posts

103 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Equus said:
Frankychops said:
Can you give an example in a historic, solid wall house where it'd be better?
Yes. smile
I'm sure Equus would be able to come round to ours and point out where modern mixes could improve things if/when we need to restore those areas. GII listed house from 1738, with various additions up until 1894.

Frankychops

605 posts

11 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Equus said:
Frankychops said:
Can you give an example in a historic, solid wall house where it'd be better?
Yes. smile
Brill, looking forward to your example.

Equus

16,980 posts

103 months

Thursday 2nd May
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Frankychops said:
Brill, looking forward to your example.
Are you saying you can't think of any yourself?


Frankychops

605 posts

11 months

Thursday 2nd May
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Equus said:
Frankychops said:
Brill, looking forward to your example.
Are you saying you can't think of any yourself?
I think your response above says it all. Thanks.

Equus

16,980 posts

103 months

Thursday 2nd May
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Frankychops said:
...an attempt at deflection...
No, I think this is important.

you said:
i'm pleased to say I use the correct material where needed, with practical experience.
Which means that you should be able to tell us yourself where and why it might be advantageous to use insulated plasterboard (for example), rather than lime plaster.

If you're prepared to admit that you don't know, then I will be happy to give you examples.

Likewise, if you wish to tell us that you don't believe there are any situations where non-lime based products are appropriate in older houses, then I'll be happy to discuss examples where I think they are.

From your earlier claim of expertise, however, I can only assume that you know the answers perfectly well and are just trolling... which is asking for a ban.

So, come on, which its it?



Edited by Equus on Thursday 2nd May 11:30

Frankychops

605 posts

11 months

Thursday 2nd May
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Equus said:
Which means that you should be able to tell us yourself where and why it might be advantageous to use insulated plasterboard (for example), rather than lime plaster.

If you're prepared to admit that you don't know, then I will be happy to give you examples.

Likewise, if you wish to tell us that you don't believe there are any situations where non-lime based products are appropriate in older houses, then I'll be happy to discuss examples where I think they are.

From your earlier claim of expertise, however, I can only assume that you know the answers perfectly well and are just trolling... which is asking for a ban.

So, come on, which its it?



Edited by Equus on Thursday 2nd May 11:30
There's no trolling, you've clearly said there were situations where you would use plasterboard etc on an old solid walled house. however seem reluctant to give the examples you said you know of. which does mean you were trolling?

Equus

16,980 posts

103 months

Thursday 2nd May
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Frankychops said:
There's no trolling
Good.

Then you will be able to answer my other questions, one way or the other?

You asked: " can you give an example in a historic, solid wall house where it'd be better?"

That suggests that you believe that there are no such circumstances. Is that correct? Yes or no.

As I said, I'll be happy to expand on the reasons you might specify alternatives, once we understand your position.

QuickQuack

2,276 posts

103 months

Thursday 2nd May
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Errr, plasterboard has been used in some of the restoration work at our above-mentioned house... Not everywhere, only where suitable and appropriate.

Equus

16,980 posts

103 months

Thursday 2nd May
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QuickQuack said:
Errr, plasterboard has been used in some of the restoration work at our above-mentioned house... Not everywhere, only where suitable and appropriate.
Good for you, but I wasn't asking you. smile

CharlesdeGaulle

26,529 posts

182 months

Thursday 2nd May
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Who knew that building materials could be so divisive? hehe

KAgantua

3,942 posts

133 months

Thursday 2nd May
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CharlesdeGaulle said:
Who knew that building materials could be so divisive? hehe
No theyre not.

Frankychops

605 posts

11 months

Thursday 2nd May
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Equus said:
Frankychops said:
There's no trolling
Good.

Then you will be able to answer my other questions, one way or the other?

You asked: " can you give an example in a historic, solid wall house where it'd be better?"

That suggests that you believe that there are no such circumstances. Is that correct? Yes or no.

As I said, I'll be happy to expand on the reasons you might specify alternatives, once we understand your position.
I think your true colours are coming though here. you said that ere were examples of where it'd be better, I've asked you to say where, which you won't/cant etc.

This is all fine, the dialog shows we're both just enthusiastic amateurs, its promotes conversation.

Equus

16,980 posts

103 months

Thursday 2nd May
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Frankychops said:
more evasion...
You just need to type two or three letters: yes, or no.

I say again:

You asked: " can you give an example in a historic, solid wall house where it'd be better?"

That suggests that you believe that there are no such circumstances. Is that correct? Yes or no.

Is that too difficult for you?

DonkeyApple

56,002 posts

171 months

Thursday 2nd May
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KAgantua said:
CharlesdeGaulle said:
Who knew that building materials could be so divisive? hehe
No theyre not.
Walls are. Doors can be.

Equus

16,980 posts

103 months

Thursday 2nd May
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DonkeyApple said:
Walls are. Doors can be.
hehe

Frankychops

605 posts

11 months

Thursday 2nd May
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Equus said:
Frankychops said:
more evasion...
You just need to type two or three letters: yes, or no.

I say again:

You asked: " can you give an example in a historic, solid wall house where it'd be better?"

That suggests that you believe that there are no such circumstances. Is that correct? Yes or no.

Is that too difficult for you?
No it just suggests that I’d like to hear your example of where and why you might. Which after 36 hours, of what must contain none stop googling on diy.com, you’re still without anything to back it up. Even your post where you mention a ‘ban’. Just shows a layer of desperation.

This is why we both seek professional advice from knowledgeable people in these matters


Edited by Frankychops on Thursday 2nd May 21:23

jules_s

4,334 posts

235 months

Thursday 2nd May
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Frankychops said:
Equus said:
Frankychops said:
more evasion...
You just need to type two or three letters: yes, or no.

I say again:

You asked: " can you give an example in a historic, solid wall house where it'd be better?"

That suggests that you believe that there are no such circumstances. Is that correct? Yes or no.

Is that too difficult for you?
No it just suggests that I’d like to hear your example of where and why you might. Which after 36 hours, of what must contain none stop googling on diy.com, you’re still without anything to back it up. Even your post where you mention a ‘ban’. Just shoeles a layer of desperation.

This is why we both seek professional advice from knowledgeable people in these matters
Ooof biglaugh

It’s going to be fun seeing who has the last word/post here.

A proper little internet off bow

outnumbered

4,126 posts

236 months

Thursday 2nd May
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jules_s said:
Ooof biglaugh

It’s going to be fun seeing who has the last word/post here.

A proper little internet off bow
The more italics that Equus feels necessary to use, the longer it's going to go on.