Selling House and Organising Viewings

Selling House and Organising Viewings

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mike_e

588 posts

265 months

Tuesday 14th May
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I've sold three properties in the last year so have some recent experiences.

The first sale was to a cash buyer on an almost new property, no issues whatsoever, but still took 3 months to complete.

I agreed the sale of the second property 3 times, one to a buyer who lied about their house sale status, another pulled out after a month, and the third went on to complete in 5 weeks to a cash buyer living with relatives.

The third property sold in 2 days to a buyer who had already sold their home to a first-time buyer with cash and a mortgage in place. Sounded ideal; they picked over everything and boiled my piss on an almost daily basis, questioning everything in a 43 page building survey on a 65 year old property. Most were completely trivial and wouldn't bother 99.9% of people. Nearly 4 months to complete although to be fair, I wasn't ready to move, so let it drag on a bit.

My point is, even with a cash buyer and no chain, you're not guaranteed a quick, fast sale. The older the property, the more issues you will likely encounter. A building survey could reveal any number of potential problems which could deter a buyer, or see them demanding monies off due to work required. You'll need to provide a fair amount of paperwork too, like an EPC certificate, Gas and Electrical safety certificates etc. Whilst not all are a legal requirement, you can save a lot of time and hassle by having all the information the buyers (or their solicitors) will ask for. If they have a box ticking type conveyancer, the more boxes you can tick the smoother it will be. Anticipate and check, and if possible resolve, all the issues you think may become a stumbling block in the process.

cayman-black

12,710 posts

218 months

Tuesday 14th May
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A cash buyer is someone who can show you they have the said amount in the bank ready to go all other versions are time wasting idiots.

gmaz

4,442 posts

212 months

Tuesday 14th May
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We just accepted an offer from a cash buyer only to find that most of the their cash was locked in an account until September.

We are considering going ahead anyway as a normal sale can take 4 months, and if the solicitors allow us to exchange contracts after searches and survey, then they are locked into the sale at the contracted price, or lose their 10% exchange deposit, as far as I understand.

CheesecakeRunner

3,920 posts

93 months

Tuesday 14th May
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cayman-black said:
A cash buyer is someone who can show you they have the said amount in the bank ready to go all other versions are time wasting idiots.
I sold a flat about 15 years ago and had an offer from someone who’d showed the estate agent a bank statement with more than the asking price as the balance.

Turned out they’d borrowed all the money from relatives a few months before in order to have that bank statement to show estate agents, and they actually needed a mortgage that they couldn’t get.

The Three D Mucketeer

5,944 posts

229 months

Tuesday 14th May
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A 1st time buyer with a mortgage is as good if not better than a supposed cash buyer , chains are a pain and the shorter the better . You're at one end of the chain , so keep it as short as possible.
I would instruct the estate agent to only have viewers whose properties are on the market (minimal) and preferably sold STC . I lived in a caravan for 50 nights once I got a buyer , so I became a cash buyer, but since the property is empty you don't have that problem.

lost in espace

6,183 posts

209 months

Tuesday 14th May
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I am going to view a house tomorrow in Stotfold, Beds. My wife has already viewed and likes it. Vendor is a widower looking to relocate, possibly move in with her daughter. We are cash buyers in rented which I can get out of any time until February.

She was asking £600k a month ago, now down to £575k which is just over £300/sqft and cheap for the area. No garage, but it is very big.

I am minded to open the offers at £540k negotiate up to £560k. We are in this secure tenancy until February if necessary. There can't be many cash buyers with flexibility to complete out there.

Regy53

268 posts

133 months

Tuesday 14th May
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When we went on the market last year (600+k house in northants) we had a few viewings some were ready some were not. I got a bit bored of it all and when one couple wanted to view who were not even on the market i said no, it felt like to much faff with taking the dogs out, getting house ready etc…. Anyway a few days later the estate agent called again asking if they could view, they were ready to go on if required.

I was in a better mood that day so agreed, they viewed, loved it, went on the market and sold in a week and we then agreed a deal and they bought our house. Was a bit of a eye opener

lizardbrain

2,082 posts

39 months

Tuesday 14th May
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Last time we bought agent didn’t take us seriously and I had to threaten to go direct to the seller to get a second viewing.

I had the keys 8 weeks later.

Personally I am a big fan of open viewings . Make them eye each other up

LooneyTunes

6,948 posts

160 months

Wednesday 15th May
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gmaz said:
We just accepted an offer from a cash buyer only to find that most of the their cash was locked in an account until September.

We are considering going ahead anyway as a normal sale can take 4 months, and if the solicitors allow us to exchange contracts after searches and survey, then they are locked into the sale at the contracted price, or lose their 10% exchange deposit, as far as I understand.
It’s not a case of solicitors “allowing” exchange, more a case of whether the parties to the contract want there to be one. If they’re a a genuine cash buyer, they don’t actually even need to bother with surveys or searches, albeit i suspect most will do the latter at least.

If it were me, I’d push to say that it’s part of the deal, with the cash not having actually been available.

Estate agents are crap at qualifying cash buyers. I’ve even had one ask for a copy of my (mortgage) agreement in principle…and then get confused when I said there wasn’t one.

119

6,944 posts

38 months

Wednesday 15th May
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When we sold my in laws place, we agreed a selling price from the agent, told them the minimum we would accept gave them all the keys and told them not to contact us until it was sold.


TimmyMallett

2,916 posts

114 months

Wednesday 15th May
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cayman-black said:
A cash buyer is someone who can show you they have the said amount in the bank ready to go all other versions are time wasting idiots.
Not in my experience, in fact, the opposite, for our last 2 properties, cash buyers have pulled out.


It would be interesting to see what proportion of 'cash' buyers vs 'financed' actually complete on their first offers that get accepted.


OP, I forgot to say, condolences on your Dad.

Arrivalist

69 posts

1 month

Wednesday 15th May
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TimmyMallett said:
cayman-black said:
A cash buyer is someone who can show you they have the said amount in the bank ready to go all other versions are time wasting idiots.
Not in my experience, in fact, the opposite, for our last 2 properties, cash buyers have pulled out.


It would be interesting to see what proportion of 'cash' buyers vs 'financed' actually complete on their first offers that get accepted.


OP, I forgot to say, condolences on your Dad.
I think the discussion is more along the lines of which ‘offer’ is the more realistic - someone with cash in the bank or someone who has to sell before being proceedable?

Cash buyer or one in a chain can all be aholes down the line BUT as a starting point there is little to be gained initially by accepting an offer from someone who is not proceedable.

All imho of course.

was8v

1,950 posts

197 months

Wednesday 15th May
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A cash buyer is a nonsense

If someone has enough cash to buy a house languishing in their current account that's a signal they are financially inept. It should be invested, at least in ns&I

You'd be daft to buy a house with cash when you can get a mortgage. Put that money to work! So most cash buyers would go on to complete with a mortgage.

And a mortgage can be turned around in weeks while other stuff is happening so no big deal

The best buyer is a no chain buyer with a mortgage in principle approved as any cash buyer would be getting a mortgage anyway unless they are retired

GreatGranny

9,179 posts

228 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Absolute nonsense!


Mont Blanc

726 posts

45 months

Wednesday 15th May
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was8v said:
A cash buyer is a nonsense

If someone has enough cash to buy a house languishing in their current account that's a signal they are financially inept. It should be invested, at least in ns&I

You'd be daft to buy a house with cash when you can get a mortgage. Put that money to work! So most cash buyers would go on to complete with a mortgage.

And a mortgage can be turned around in weeks while other stuff is happening so no big deal

The best buyer is a no chain buyer with a mortgage in principle approved as any cash buyer would be getting a mortgage anyway unless they are retired
rofl

Slowboathome

3,610 posts

46 months

Wednesday 15th May
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was8v said:
A cash buyer is a nonsense

If someone has enough cash to buy a house languishing in their current account that's a signal they are financially inept. It should be invested, at least in ns&I

You'd be daft to buy a house with cash when you can get a mortgage. Put that money to work! So most cash buyers would go on to complete with a mortgage.

And a mortgage can be turned around in weeks while other stuff is happening so no big deal

The best buyer is a no chain buyer with a mortgage in principle approved as any cash buyer would be getting a mortgage anyway unless they are retired
I was a cash buyer for my current place. Had the sale of my previous house in high interest accounts for a couple of years while I rented.

Plenty of people do this.

Arrivalist

69 posts

1 month

Wednesday 15th May
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Slowboathome said:
was8v said:
A cash buyer is a nonsense

If someone has enough cash to buy a house languishing in their current account that's a signal they are financially inept. It should be invested, at least in ns&I

You'd be daft to buy a house with cash when you can get a mortgage. Put that money to work! So most cash buyers would go on to complete with a mortgage.

And a mortgage can be turned around in weeks while other stuff is happening so no big deal

The best buyer is a no chain buyer with a mortgage in principle approved as any cash buyer would be getting a mortgage anyway unless they are retired
I was a cash buyer for my current place. Had the sale of my previous house in high interest accounts for a couple of years while I rented.

Plenty of people do this.
Exactly the same for me. I even once had all the money in NS&I and gave them a screenshot of that.


Chamon_Lee

3,824 posts

149 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Muzzer79 said:
Definitely not missing anything

Cash buyer = no chain. If you're in a chain, you're just a regular buyer without a mortgage so therefore the only benefit over someone who isn't a cash buyer is that you know there'll be no issue with a mortgage being refused (unlikely, unless they're a complete moron)

My in-laws are looking to downsize but are quite specific about the property they want and they haven't even marketed their current house yet.

They found a property they liked the look of, but were not allowed to even view it unless they were proceedable - i.e at least SSTC.

I would fully expect you to insist on the same - there's nothing worse than being in an open-ended chain.
Ever so slightly off topic but how to people work around this. I have no interest in even putting my house of forsake unless it’s for something I really want which could show up tomorrow or in 2 years time so it begs the question what do people do in this situation. Surely you only sell your house when you have something else lined up to step to. For some odd strange reason we have built a culture of sell your own place first then wait and see what you find which can only make the chain longer and more painful.

Chamon_Lee

3,824 posts

149 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Regy53 said:
When we went on the market last year (600+k house in northants) we had a few viewings some were ready some were not. I got a bit bored of it all and when one couple wanted to view who were not even on the market i said no, it felt like to much faff with taking the dogs out, getting house ready etc…. Anyway a few days later the estate agent called again asking if they could view, they were ready to go on if required.

I was in a better mood that day so agreed, they viewed, loved it, went on the market and sold in a week and we then agreed a deal and they bought our house. Was a bit of a eye opener
This is the way it should be! Lesson learned for you!

Sheepshanks

33,073 posts

121 months

Wednesday 15th May
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TimmyMallett said:
Cash buyers are not always the panacea people make them out to be. Last time we moved we had a cash buyer that pulled out after a month because they were still looking (we found out) - cash buyers often have more financial flexibility than someone needing secure a DIP and finance.
I was put in charge of selling late FILs place - sounds very similar to OP's Dad's, even down to the lots of tools comment.

The village is popular with downsizers which grates somewhat as it was all young families when we moved here. EA warned us that cash buyers can be "flighty".

I put the house on the market as soon as things opened up after the first lock down. At that poiint, no-one knew how the economy was going to pan-out, so it was a bit nervy with a bunch of first time buyers looking, some making daft low offers, someone within the village who was SSTC, and then a cash buying older couple swept in, looked at the house for literally 5 mins and said they'd have it. Didn't want a survey - which was un-nerving but probably would have thrown up lots of "issues". EA did a check, got proof of funds and that they were in rented with a hard date they had to leave by. All went though fine, in 7 weeks. On the day they moved in, they couldn't remember the layout of the house, I had to show them round again!

We did find out later that they were buyers of the SSTC house - but they'd been waiting ages for them to find something, and we heard from people who knew them that they probably never would so buying FILs with all the missing certifcates etc would probably have never happened.