Parents moving away
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pocketspring said:
To the people saying the OP is being selfish, let me put some experience down.
My mum was into horses way before I was born, when she was a child in fact. When my sister was born (four years before me), my mum got her into horses. When her daughter was born, my sister got her into horses.
Trust me, everything, but everything, revolves around horses. Do you know how naff it is during school holidays and most weekends, when you're a kid, to be dragged to horse shows and be bored out of your head from early morning to late evening? Do you know how awful it feels when its school sports day and you look around looking for your parents only to find they're not there because the horse needs mucking out or feeding etc? Or having to wait up to an hour to be picked up from school because "I lost track of time". Or having to eat the worst crap reduced food from the bargain bucket bin to make sure the horses got the nice food despite being out on grass most of the day and also having to pay for expensive hay and straw along with the vets bills?
We're not talking once or twice, this was a daily occurrence.
The OP has my deepest sympathies.
I like horses, but couldn't eat a whole one. Seriously, I fMy mum was into horses way before I was born, when she was a child in fact. When my sister was born (four years before me), my mum got her into horses. When her daughter was born, my sister got her into horses.
Trust me, everything, but everything, revolves around horses. Do you know how naff it is during school holidays and most weekends, when you're a kid, to be dragged to horse shows and be bored out of your head from early morning to late evening? Do you know how awful it feels when its school sports day and you look around looking for your parents only to find they're not there because the horse needs mucking out or feeding etc? Or having to wait up to an hour to be picked up from school because "I lost track of time". Or having to eat the worst crap reduced food from the bargain bucket bin to make sure the horses got the nice food despite being out on grass most of the day and also having to pay for expensive hay and straw along with the vets bills?
We're not talking once or twice, this was a daily occurrence.
The OP has my deepest sympathies.
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"So, did you see that documentary last night about American govt involvement in Central America in the late 70s and early 80s?"
"No I didn't, but 4 years ago we went horse riding in Nicaragua. Ooo, it was marvellous............."
OP, if she's in to horses, you're well rid of her. And she's moving away, so the onus is on her to visit you. When she hasn't seen you for 6 months and is complaining about it, just reply "well you know where we are". And of she ever says they're getting to old to do the journey, tell her she should have thought about that before f
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Skeptisk said:
Bill said:
Harsh crowd in today! ![hehe](/inc/images/hehe.gif)
Very British/western crowd. I suspect many non western cultures would empathise more with the OP and think the mother was being selfish. ![hehe](/inc/images/hehe.gif)
My mother and step father moved to Saudi when my younger sister was about 18. Just palmed her off to my older sister to look after.
My mother was obsessed with horses too (even though we couldn’t afford one she had them). Horsey women put humans second, even their own children.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
What's interesting to me is that at one time I'd have been absolutely on the side of saying it's their life, their choice etc and the OP is selfishly wanting to keep things how they are because it suits him.
That's actually turned upside down for me now. I think the OP is actually being very sensible and considerate in trying to keep the family together with kids and grandparents part of each other's lives. The selfishness is that sort of atomistic individualism which says "life's too short" and people should do what they want, as though a paddock in Cumbria is more likely to make you "happy" than seeing your grandchildren grow up.
Why should the OPs parent stay in an area they don’t want to? If the OP is so concerned about keeping the family unit together, perhaps he should move to Cumbria with them?That's actually turned upside down for me now. I think the OP is actually being very sensible and considerate in trying to keep the family together with kids and grandparents part of each other's lives. The selfishness is that sort of atomistic individualism which says "life's too short" and people should do what they want, as though a paddock in Cumbria is more likely to make you "happy" than seeing your grandchildren grow up.
You (and the OP) are in no place to decide what will make his parents “happy”
You have one life, don’t live it for others.
Collectingbrass said:
It's a difficult one. That said, it doesn't sound to me like the OP is the one being selfish here, and I do wonder why the OP's parent's feel the need to chase their friends.
It's come as a bit of a shock if I'm honest, especially given their negativity to their friends moving a few months back. They had a lovely big house, land etc, everything you could want and my parents didn't understand this desire for more. My parents have a nice house, stables in the back garden, open access to the forest etc, yet here they are wanting "more" when sometimes what you have is already enough. They already have more than most people will ever have.b
hstewie said:
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Again have you considered it may simply be the "just spent a week away in the sunshine with friends" thing that happens with lots of people after a holiday?
Maybe a little too much Escape to the Country and A Place in the Sun etc.
Just gently highlighting that lots of people will have those thoughts but it's not quite the same thing as a For Sale sign being driven into the ground![smile](/inc/images/smile.gif)
Potentially but they seem pretty set. Valuations coming on their house this week, particulars of places up there being shared etc. They seem pretty set on the idea.Maybe a little too much Escape to the Country and A Place in the Sun etc.
Just gently highlighting that lots of people will have those thoughts but it's not quite the same thing as a For Sale sign being driven into the ground
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Muzzer79 said:
S100HP said:
As I've said, if it was just me they'd have my blessing, but I'm concerned at what little relationship they'd have with my kids, but I suppose when you look at it objectively they don't have much of a relationship anyway..
But it’s up to your Mum and step dad to decide what relationship they have with your kids. If they don’t want to be close to them, that’s perhaps a little sad, but it’s their life and their choice. Their your kids, not theirs. I don’t see why you’d be pissed off at it.
Muzzer79 said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
What's interesting to me is that at one time I'd have been absolutely on the side of saying it's their life, their choice etc and the OP is selfishly wanting to keep things how they are because it suits him.
That's actually turned upside down for me now. I think the OP is actually being very sensible and considerate in trying to keep the family together with kids and grandparents part of each other's lives. The selfishness is that sort of atomistic individualism which says "life's too short" and people should do what they want, as though a paddock in Cumbria is more likely to make you "happy" than seeing your grandchildren grow up.
Why should the OPs parent stay in an area they don’t want to? If the OP is so concerned about keeping the family unit together, perhaps he should move to Cumbria with them?That's actually turned upside down for me now. I think the OP is actually being very sensible and considerate in trying to keep the family together with kids and grandparents part of each other's lives. The selfishness is that sort of atomistic individualism which says "life's too short" and people should do what they want, as though a paddock in Cumbria is more likely to make you "happy" than seeing your grandchildren grow up.
You (and the OP) are in no place to decide what will make his parents “happy”
You have one life, don’t live it for others.
Sounds like your mum might want to be getting away for the responsibility of looking after your gran. As for your stepfather he sounds like he will need to be near a damn good hospital and living in Cumbria may mean trips to Manchester or Liverpool if things get complicated.
If something happens to them and it will, there is no way you are going to be able to help them with anything and your mum may have to give up her beloved horses sooner than if she stays put, if she ends up with multi hour trips to Cumbria everyday.
Cumbria can be miserable with all the rain it gets compared to the South Coast, certainly a lot less opportunity to ride in good conditions.
If something happens to them and it will, there is no way you are going to be able to help them with anything and your mum may have to give up her beloved horses sooner than if she stays put, if she ends up with multi hour trips to Cumbria everyday.
Cumbria can be miserable with all the rain it gets compared to the South Coast, certainly a lot less opportunity to ride in good conditions.
Muzzer79 said:
Why should the OPs parent stay in an area they don’t want to? If the OP is so concerned about keeping the family unit together, perhaps he should move to Cumbria with them?
You (and the OP) are in no place to decide what will make his parents “happy”
You have one life, don’t live it for others.
Of course it is up to them, but I can still think, and say I think that it's a foolish mistake.You (and the OP) are in no place to decide what will make his parents “happy”
You have one life, don’t live it for others.
My view is that when you have kids you do live for others whether you want to or not. Not just like a sort of lease agreement until they're 18 but as a lifetime commitment, your most meaningful legacy and your link with the future of humanity. Obviously not to the exclusion of everything else, but to actually go and move 6 hours away from them so you can have more room for horses seems completely absurd to me.
S100HP said:
The thing is, they've been very happy where they are for years and years. They've everything already, but they are looking at moving 300 miles for a paddock and their friends. My mother was waxing lyrical about the riding up there and how wonderful it is. This all boils down to bloody horses and stuff the rest of us, or at least that is how it feels currently. She has said my stepdad (who is a tricky character) was like a different person up there, seemed much happier etc so maybe it is what he wants, needs in the latter years of his life, but it just feels like a rather extreme decision to me, moving away from everything.
Happy in your opinion…..Some people like or need a change. They are (presumably) retired and want to enjoy their hobbies and a change of scenery.
They are moving further away, not cutting off all contact.
My Mum moved 400 miles away when I was 19, to be with the man she loved. I didn’t think her selfish - I wanted her to be happy. Nearly 25 years later, she’s still the person I’m closest to in my family.
Welcome. said:
We moved away from where our kids live and they visit at least two or three time a a year as they don't have room to house us, but we can house them all at Christmas and it's fantastic.
My parents divorsed and my dad kept moving further and further away, in the space of ten years he moved three times. Like you the times I saw him dropped to two or three times a year. If it was his intention to reduce his contact with me thats fine, but seemed at odds with his wish to see more of his family, his three month holidays didn't help.Greshamst said:
S100HP said:
as my stepdad isn't the most tolerant with kids..
You’ve mentioned this multiple times… is there something you’d like to talk more about?I forgot to add. His daughter lives locally (shes a couple of years older than I) with her teenage son. They have barely seen each other for the last few years, despite proximity. I've no idea if she knows of their plans, but its doubtful.
Edited by S100HP on Sunday 10th September 11:56
S100HP said:
They'll only have their friends who recently moved there too. They'll have no support network as they age and I can't drop everything to help them.
Someone was telling me of a couple whos daugther moved to Wales so they moved to be close to her. The daughter and her husband then had to move so he was closer to work. They are now stuck in Wales and don't know anyone, imagine if you mums freinds pass away, they won't know anyone.Isn't this the real key for them?
"The scenery is incredible, its quieter, you get more for your money (not that they need more, as they're not doing it to downsize or release capital)"
The may not want equity release but simply by moving will they not automatically be releasing capital anyway? Something that may not neccessarily be the case if the only moved a couple of hours away. i.e. the Cotswolds.
"The scenery is incredible, its quieter, you get more for your money (not that they need more, as they're not doing it to downsize or release capital)"
The may not want equity release but simply by moving will they not automatically be releasing capital anyway? Something that may not neccessarily be the case if the only moved a couple of hours away. i.e. the Cotswolds.
I'm going to add further to my previous comment, maybe you can relate, maybe you can't but i will say it anyway.
My Mrs side of the family live around 8 -9 hours away from us, so as others have said similar on here it's not exactly around the corner and not something you'd do a weekend trip for and for the most part we see them around twice a year, sometimes only once and if it is twice a year its a mix of us travelling all the way to the top end of Scotland and them visiting us in Yorkshire as well as them heading down to London to see their other two daughters and partners too, they adore their grandchildren and are regularly updated with what's going off through pictures on Facebook or telephone calls, video calls etc in between those visits, and i would go as far as to say that works for us as when we do see each other properly it's really good to catch up face to face, and on the off chance something did happen that needed us to be there then that would always take priority over work and we would be there as quickly as possible, obviously that works for us but everyone is different.
Now here's where i have the opinion on you're mum moving etc and how her opinion has changed since what she said before, very recently we have had two deaths within my family and both of those very close to me, my mum been one of them who died of a health condition i too share, she was only 61, the other been my grandfather who i had a special bond with throughout my life so far, for reference I'm 38 years old, now having seen what those that have been left behind are now like, they are mere shells of themselves living in regret of things they didn't do and things they've said to which my grandmother at 83 years old said to me to live my life to the fullest and if something makes you happy then do it because at the click of your fingers your life can change as did hers with no prior warning.
I appreciate this has gone slightly off course with what I've said here, but what i am saying i guess is that you're mother maybe have said one opinion at one given time and now it's different but lives change and if moving to where she now wishes to locate to makes her happy then surely you want that for her? You've voiced you're concerns and you are right to but you also have to listen to what she wants too, I am also going to assume that she is well off with having stables in the garden, horses etc so money shouldn't be an issue of not been able to afford to see one another.
Life is great until the one day it isn't, let her live her life and hope it all works out.
My Mrs side of the family live around 8 -9 hours away from us, so as others have said similar on here it's not exactly around the corner and not something you'd do a weekend trip for and for the most part we see them around twice a year, sometimes only once and if it is twice a year its a mix of us travelling all the way to the top end of Scotland and them visiting us in Yorkshire as well as them heading down to London to see their other two daughters and partners too, they adore their grandchildren and are regularly updated with what's going off through pictures on Facebook or telephone calls, video calls etc in between those visits, and i would go as far as to say that works for us as when we do see each other properly it's really good to catch up face to face, and on the off chance something did happen that needed us to be there then that would always take priority over work and we would be there as quickly as possible, obviously that works for us but everyone is different.
Now here's where i have the opinion on you're mum moving etc and how her opinion has changed since what she said before, very recently we have had two deaths within my family and both of those very close to me, my mum been one of them who died of a health condition i too share, she was only 61, the other been my grandfather who i had a special bond with throughout my life so far, for reference I'm 38 years old, now having seen what those that have been left behind are now like, they are mere shells of themselves living in regret of things they didn't do and things they've said to which my grandmother at 83 years old said to me to live my life to the fullest and if something makes you happy then do it because at the click of your fingers your life can change as did hers with no prior warning.
I appreciate this has gone slightly off course with what I've said here, but what i am saying i guess is that you're mother maybe have said one opinion at one given time and now it's different but lives change and if moving to where she now wishes to locate to makes her happy then surely you want that for her? You've voiced you're concerns and you are right to but you also have to listen to what she wants too, I am also going to assume that she is well off with having stables in the garden, horses etc so money shouldn't be an issue of not been able to afford to see one another.
Life is great until the one day it isn't, let her live her life and hope it all works out.
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