Adrian Newey to Ferrari? Is it possible?
Discussion
dreamcracker said:
LM240 said:
Although this has been rumbling on and expected, still a surprise to see him off from Red Bull. Some serious questions how they’ve lost this asset.
Personally, I hope Ferrari entice him.
Ferrari F1 team principal Fred Vasseur has reportedly made a move to try and sign Adrian Newey from Red Bull.Personally, I hope Ferrari entice him.
Vasseur has started negotiations with Newey after delaying travelling to this weekend’s Miami Grand Prix in order to meet with the legendary car designer in London, according to Italy’s Gazzetta dello Sport.
alisdairm said:
I'm quite new to current F1 racing. Re-started watching in 2020.
If Adrian Newey is so awesome at car design, why were Mercedes mopping up everything in prior to 2021?
Was he not involved in the Reb Bull car design prior to that?
It was a new engine formula. Mercedes got the jump on the other manufacturers. Newey has no influence on the engine design. The current period of RB dominance started with a new aero formula, which is very much his area of expertise.If Adrian Newey is so awesome at car design, why were Mercedes mopping up everything in prior to 2021?
Was he not involved in the Reb Bull car design prior to that?
Deesee said:
Ferrari- Big Cash
Aston- Big Big Cash and equity
Mclaren-?
Williams- & Return to the front, cash + equity from the VC
..
Andretti..and TP?
I think if money was the only motivator then rb would match it. Imo only the prospect of prestige by bringing a title to Ferrari is enough of a draw. They can of course also supply the yachting ambition, salary, even shares, but those are secondary. Newey is a lot of things but vain is one of them. Only Ferrari can offer him an opportunity to retire as the undoubted race engineering GOAT.Aston- Big Big Cash and equity
Mclaren-?
Williams- & Return to the front, cash + equity from the VC
..
Andretti..and TP?
alisdairm said:
I'm quite new to current F1 racing. Re-started watching in 2020.
If Adrian Newey is so awesome at car design, why were Mercedes mopping up everything in prior to 2021?
Was he not involved in the Reb Bull car design prior to that?
The Renault Turbo Hybrid they used from 2014 to 2018 was poor in terms of performance and reliability, it was estimated to be something like 100hp down in 2014 (with poor reliability) narrowing to circa 40hp by the end of 2018.If Adrian Newey is so awesome at car design, why were Mercedes mopping up everything in prior to 2021?
Was he not involved in the Reb Bull car design prior to that?
The Honda Turbo Hybrid from 2019 to 2020 was estimated to be some 20hp down narrowing to being slightly ahead of Merc and Ferrari by the end of 2020.
Deesee said:
Ferrari- Big Cash
Aston- Big Big Cash and equity
Mclaren-?
Williams- & Return to the front, cash + equity from the VC
..
Andretti..and TP?
There was an article on Autosport yesterday about Newey's option after Red Bull and it said that there are only 5 options in reality - Mercedes, Aston Martin, McLaren, Ferrari or retirement.Aston- Big Big Cash and equity
Mclaren-?
Williams- & Return to the front, cash + equity from the VC
..
Andretti..and TP?
Neither Mercedes or Aston are likely due to Newey's personal dislike of Toto Wolff and Lawrence Stroll.
Newey is good friends with Zak Brown at McLaren but the team does not have the financial resources to be able to deliver what Newey can do for them.
So it is either Ferrari or retirement.
SpudLink said:
dreamcracker said:
LM240 said:
Although this has been rumbling on and expected, still a surprise to see him off from Red Bull. Some serious questions how they’ve lost this asset.
Personally, I hope Ferrari entice him.
Ferrari F1 team principal Fred Vasseur has reportedly made a move to try and sign Adrian Newey from Red Bull.Personally, I hope Ferrari entice him.
Vasseur has started negotiations with Newey after delaying travelling to this weekend’s Miami Grand Prix in order to meet with the legendary car designer in London, according to Italy’s Gazzetta dello Sport.
It strikes me that amongst the paddock and media what we're learning about in drips and drabs is all an open secret, it's just that no one can say very much about it until each part of the story becomes official in some way..
It wouldn't surprise me at all if most people privy to paddock chatter considered the Ferrari move done and dusted, unofficially.
SpudLink said:
Newey has no influence on the engine design.
Not strictly true. Honda went on record recently over how demanding he'd been on packaging the engine and cooling for this year. The designer can have influence on the design and layout of engine and ancillaries but only likely if you have a 'works' engine. Honda said "They made a lot of requests to adapt our engine to the new concept for the RB20. After we saw the RB20 in real life we were so surprised by all the changes that they made."https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/honda-very-surpr...
Forester1965 said:
SpudLink said:
Newey has no influence on the engine design.
Not strictly true. Honda went on record recently over how demanding he'd been on packaging the engine and cooling for this year. The designer can have influence on the design and layout of engine and ancillaries but only likely if you have a 'works' engine. Honda said "They made a lot of requests to adapt our engine to the new concept for the RB20. After we saw the RB20 in real life we were so surprised by all the changes that they made."https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/honda-very-surpr...
That's literally the benefit of having your own PU, it and the car compliment each other as well as possible, typically to a greater extent than a customer team can manage, for the same reason.
shirt said:
Deesee said:
Ferrari- Big Cash
Aston- Big Big Cash and equity
Mclaren-?
Williams- & Return to the front, cash + equity from the VC
..
Andretti..and TP?
I think if money was the only motivator then rb would match it. Imo only the prospect of prestige by bringing a title to Ferrari is enough of a draw. They can of course also supply the yachting ambition, salary, even shares, but those are secondary. Newey is a lot of things but vain is one of them. Only Ferrari can offer him an opportunity to retire as the undoubted race engineering GOAT.Aston- Big Big Cash and equity
Mclaren-?
Williams- & Return to the front, cash + equity from the VC
..
Andretti..and TP?
TheDeuce said:
Forester1965 said:
SpudLink said:
Newey has no influence on the engine design.
Not strictly true. Honda went on record recently over how demanding he'd been on packaging the engine and cooling for this year. The designer can have influence on the design and layout of engine and ancillaries but only likely if you have a 'works' engine. Honda said "They made a lot of requests to adapt our engine to the new concept for the RB20. After we saw the RB20 in real life we were so surprised by all the changes that they made."https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/honda-very-surpr...
That's literally the benefit of having your own PU, it and the car compliment each other as well as possible, typically to a greater extent than a customer team can manage, for the same reason.
ralphrj said:
Deesee said:
Ferrari- Big Cash
Aston- Big Big Cash and equity
Mclaren-?
Williams- & Return to the front, cash + equity from the VC
..
Andretti..and TP?
There was an article on Autosport yesterday about Newey's option after Red Bull and it said that there are only 5 options in reality - Mercedes, Aston Martin, McLaren, Ferrari or retirement.Aston- Big Big Cash and equity
Mclaren-?
Williams- & Return to the front, cash + equity from the VC
..
Andretti..and TP?
Neither Mercedes or Aston are likely due to Newey's personal dislike of Toto Wolff and Lawrence Stroll.
Newey is good friends with Zak Brown at McLaren but the team does not have the financial resources to be able to deliver what Newey can do for them.
So it is either Ferrari or retirement.
So 'leave Q1 2025' ie leave at the end of 2024
'focus on final development and delivery of Red Bull’s first hypercar', ie do a little bit of consultancy on a road car.
' Christian, who has .. been .. a friend' ie not any more
Timing is too perfect
"Frederic Vasseur, the Maranello-based racing stable's team boss, reportedly did not travel with the team to Miami on Tuesday but first made a stopover in London"
Interesting
Oh I do hope he is going to design the 2026 Ferrari.
'focus on final development and delivery of Red Bull’s first hypercar', ie do a little bit of consultancy on a road car.
' Christian, who has .. been .. a friend' ie not any more
Timing is too perfect
"Frederic Vasseur, the Maranello-based racing stable's team boss, reportedly did not travel with the team to Miami on Tuesday but first made a stopover in London"
Interesting
Oh I do hope he is going to design the 2026 Ferrari.
TheDeuce said:
Forester1965 said:
AceRockatansky said:
I'm not a fan of wokeflix, but there's no denying it's brought F1 to a wider audience
Yep. A third of F1 fans have been following the sport for fewer than 4 years. 
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