RE: Porsche 911 GT3 RS vs. Lamborghini Huracan STO
Discussion
Ray_Aber said:
Photos 2 & 9 are Winnats Pass, just west of Castleton.
Photos 10 and 11 are just north of Mam Tor, itself looking over Winnats Pass. 10 is looking north to Edale and Kinder Scout looming above it. Photo 11 looking south east to the shoulder of Mam Tor.
Great driving roads. I used to live nearby - and cycle up these hills!
Does look familiar, drove past Winnats Pass and Odin Mine once.Photos 10 and 11 are just north of Mam Tor, itself looking over Winnats Pass. 10 is looking north to Edale and Kinder Scout looming above it. Photo 11 looking south east to the shoulder of Mam Tor.
Great driving roads. I used to live nearby - and cycle up these hills!
FlukePlay said:
IMI A said:
ajap1979 said:
IMI A said:
Interesting advice to buy both unfortunately virtually impossible to buy an RS! 
There’s 10 on AutoTrader at the moment…Let's pretend here. So, you can buy either of these hardcore machines new at list, well it has to be the Lambo. More exotic, more cylinders and displacement and they do a lovely shade of yellow. 
But, I'm betting there's better ways to spend similar or less money if the requirement is primerily for road use.
But, I'm betting there's better ways to spend similar or less money if the requirement is primerily for road use.
Julian Thompson said:
I don’t believe the article. These two cars pushed over those routes (yes I’m local) will be a complete pain in the backside, with the driver aware of the low ride height and track suspension. You simply can’t have a car that is circuit optimised that also rides Peak District tracks (they’re barely roads!) properly otherwise a rally car would look the same as a circuit car, and, erm, it doesn’t. Hence the comments the author dismisses in the vein of “a Carrera is enough” - those people aren’t being obtuse because they can’t afford an “RS” - many of them can.
I have been up there recently in my SLS, V12 Vantage and Superleggera 4wd and all three of them are too big, too heavy, too hard, too low and too expensive.
But then the article wouldn’t read as well if it said “yeah these two are brilliant in Europe but basically here they’re just too much except for a fleeting moment out of every hour you’re behind the wheel stuck in traffic or steering between potholes and amazingly low speed limits”
Realistically the right car for those roads is an A110. If the review had gone from here to the Nordschliefe and back via Adeneu forest then I’d be inclined to probably agree with it, maybe, especially if it took in a morning of laps round the track and then some Autobahn.
Have a look at Harry’s Garage review of the normal GT3 for more honesty.
Some nice cars in the stable there mate!I have been up there recently in my SLS, V12 Vantage and Superleggera 4wd and all three of them are too big, too heavy, too hard, too low and too expensive.
But then the article wouldn’t read as well if it said “yeah these two are brilliant in Europe but basically here they’re just too much except for a fleeting moment out of every hour you’re behind the wheel stuck in traffic or steering between potholes and amazingly low speed limits”
Realistically the right car for those roads is an A110. If the review had gone from here to the Nordschliefe and back via Adeneu forest then I’d be inclined to probably agree with it, maybe, especially if it took in a morning of laps round the track and then some Autobahn.
Have a look at Harry’s Garage review of the normal GT3 for more honesty.
On Harry's Garage - I watched that video about half a dozen times before I bought my 992 GT3 and have to say i was sweating a little - was it going to tramline and deflect on the off-camber bumps like he complained about (at some length) in the video? Emphatically mine does not in any way like that - my only conclusion is that the press car he had needed a geo done! The other thing is on the damping/suspension he mentioned - I find the damping in particular exquisite - its not harsh at all and just gets better and better as the speed rises. Totally different experience for me - it's easily the best Porsche I've ever driven.
GreatScott2016 said:
Augustus Windsock said:
Despite being a Porsche fan I would never pay over the list price for one.
All this crap about having to buy so many Porsches and then have to sell them back to the main stealer is total b0110ck5.
So even if I had a big lottery win, I wouldn’t buy one, which is a shame as I’m sure I’d be missing out on one of the most visceral driving experiences ever from both manufacturers.
I’m sure there will be some that will say I’m having a paddy because I can’t afford one (which is correct, I’m currently nowhere near having the £££) but it’s more a standpoint, a little like when I rage about POA price tags.
Have to agree with you. I am so fortunate that if I wanted to, I could buy one, BUT, not at those inflated prices. They are both stunningly capable cars though All this crap about having to buy so many Porsches and then have to sell them back to the main stealer is total b0110ck5.
So even if I had a big lottery win, I wouldn’t buy one, which is a shame as I’m sure I’d be missing out on one of the most visceral driving experiences ever from both manufacturers.
I’m sure there will be some that will say I’m having a paddy because I can’t afford one (which is correct, I’m currently nowhere near having the £££) but it’s more a standpoint, a little like when I rage about POA price tags.
However IMO life is far too short not to enjoy a car of this quality if you can afford to buy one. Now had it for 9 months and 3,500 miles (the original owner put on 163 miles in 20 months!!) and its every bit as special as I'd hoped it would be. It can easily be daily-ed if you want to, but give it an open B-road on an early Sunday morning and it transforms into something quite special. If you have the means and the prices are coming back to list - don't waste a moment.
schaeffs said:
Julian Thompson said:
I don’t believe the article. These two cars pushed over those routes (yes I’m local) will be a complete pain in the backside, with the driver aware of the low ride height and track suspension. You simply can’t have a car that is circuit optimised that also rides Peak District tracks (they’re barely roads!) properly otherwise a rally car would look the same as a circuit car, and, erm, it doesn’t. Hence the comments the author dismisses in the vein of “a Carrera is enough” - those people aren’t being obtuse because they can’t afford an “RS” - many of them can.
I have been up there recently in my SLS, V12 Vantage and Superleggera 4wd and all three of them are too big, too heavy, too hard, too low and too expensive.
But then the article wouldn’t read as well if it said “yeah these two are brilliant in Europe but basically here they’re just too much except for a fleeting moment out of every hour you’re behind the wheel stuck in traffic or steering between potholes and amazingly low speed limits”
Realistically the right car for those roads is an A110. If the review had gone from here to the Nordschliefe and back via Adeneu forest then I’d be inclined to probably agree with it, maybe, especially if it took in a morning of laps round the track and then some Autobahn.
Have a look at Harry’s Garage review of the normal GT3 for more honesty.
Some nice cars in the stable there mate!I have been up there recently in my SLS, V12 Vantage and Superleggera 4wd and all three of them are too big, too heavy, too hard, too low and too expensive.
But then the article wouldn’t read as well if it said “yeah these two are brilliant in Europe but basically here they’re just too much except for a fleeting moment out of every hour you’re behind the wheel stuck in traffic or steering between potholes and amazingly low speed limits”
Realistically the right car for those roads is an A110. If the review had gone from here to the Nordschliefe and back via Adeneu forest then I’d be inclined to probably agree with it, maybe, especially if it took in a morning of laps round the track and then some Autobahn.
Have a look at Harry’s Garage review of the normal GT3 for more honesty.
On Harry's Garage - I watched that video about half a dozen times before I bought my 992 GT3 and have to say i was sweating a little - was it going to tramline and deflect on the off-camber bumps like he complained about (at some length) in the video? Emphatically mine does not in any way like that - my only conclusion is that the press car he had needed a geo done! The other thing is on the damping/suspension he mentioned - I find the damping in particular exquisite - its not harsh at all and just gets better and better as the speed rises. Totally different experience for me - it's easily the best Porsche I've ever driven.
I also noted that on literally the first lap it started to rain the guy binned the ring-taxi GT3RS and it was recovered and hastily covered up on the transporter back to the pits presumably to save it appearing on TikTube five minutes later. It was interesting that they returned in the Turbo S ring taxi shortly after
It did look good tho:
schaeffs said:
GreatScott2016 said:
Augustus Windsock said:
Despite being a Porsche fan I would never pay over the list price for one.
All this crap about having to buy so many Porsches and then have to sell them back to the main stealer is total b0110ck5.
So even if I had a big lottery win, I wouldn’t buy one, which is a shame as I’m sure I’d be missing out on one of the most visceral driving experiences ever from both manufacturers.
I’m sure there will be some that will say I’m having a paddy because I can’t afford one (which is correct, I’m currently nowhere near having the £££) but it’s more a standpoint, a little like when I rage about POA price tags.
Have to agree with you. I am so fortunate that if I wanted to, I could buy one, BUT, not at those inflated prices. They are both stunningly capable cars though All this crap about having to buy so many Porsches and then have to sell them back to the main stealer is total b0110ck5.
So even if I had a big lottery win, I wouldn’t buy one, which is a shame as I’m sure I’d be missing out on one of the most visceral driving experiences ever from both manufacturers.
I’m sure there will be some that will say I’m having a paddy because I can’t afford one (which is correct, I’m currently nowhere near having the £££) but it’s more a standpoint, a little like when I rage about POA price tags.
However IMO life is far too short not to enjoy a car of this quality if you can afford to buy one. Now had it for 9 months and 3,500 miles (the original owner put on 163 miles in 20 months!!) and its every bit as special as I'd hoped it would be. It can easily be daily-ed if you want to, but give it an open B-road on an early Sunday morning and it transforms into something quite special. If you have the means and the prices are coming back to list - don't waste a moment.
TheMilkyBarKid said:
Twoshoe said:
2003 wasn't the first year of non-V12 Lamborghinis. There were the Urraco, Jalpa and Silhouette (all V8) much earlier than that.
I thought that too - 30 years previous in the case of the Urraco!“ It demonstrates just how far Lamborghini has come in 20 years that 2003 only saw the debut of Sant’Agata’s first non-V12 car.”
was meant to mean that it was the first non-V12 car in 20 years…which would just about be correct as the the last non-V12, before 2003’s Gallardo was the Jalpa which came out in ~1982.
In any case, it’s a shoddily written passage at best.
Unless the person who wrote that
Katzenjammer said:
TheMilkyBarKid said:
Twoshoe said:
2003 wasn't the first year of non-V12 Lamborghinis. There were the Urraco, Jalpa and Silhouette (all V8) much earlier than that.
I thought that too - 30 years previous in the case of the Urraco!“ It demonstrates just how far Lamborghini has come in 20 years that 2003 only saw the debut of Sant’Agata’s first non-V12 car.”
was meant to mean that it was the first non-V12 car in 20 years…which would just about be correct as the the last non-V12, before 2003’s Gallardo was the Jalpa which came out in ~1982.
Julian Thompson said:
I don’t believe the article. These two cars pushed over those routes (yes I’m local) will be a complete pain in the backside, with the driver aware of the low ride height and track suspension. You simply can’t have a car that is circuit optimised that also rides Peak District tracks (they’re barely roads!) properly otherwise a rally car would look the same as a circuit car, and, erm, it doesn’t. Hence the comments the author dismisses in the vein of “a Carrera is enough” - those people aren’t being obtuse because they can’t afford an “RS” - many of them can.
I have been up there recently in my SLS, V12 Vantage and Superleggera 4wd and all three of them are too big, too heavy, too hard, too low and too expensive.
But then the article wouldn’t read as well if it said “yeah these two are brilliant in Europe but basically here they’re just too much except for a fleeting moment out of every hour you’re behind the wheel stuck in traffic or steering between potholes and amazingly low speed limits”
Realistically the right car for those roads is an A110. If the review had gone from here to the Nordschliefe and back via Adeneu forest then I’d be inclined to probably agree with it, maybe, especially if it took in a morning of laps round the track and then some Autobahn.
Have a look at Harry’s Garage review of the normal GT3 for more honesty.
I can see this. I recently had cause to spend time in a Boxster 2.5 GTS, and it's size, gearing, damping and engine (lots of low torque, don't have to be hammering it to get the best out of it) were just perfect for twisty, bumpy, narrow roads.I have been up there recently in my SLS, V12 Vantage and Superleggera 4wd and all three of them are too big, too heavy, too hard, too low and too expensive.
But then the article wouldn’t read as well if it said “yeah these two are brilliant in Europe but basically here they’re just too much except for a fleeting moment out of every hour you’re behind the wheel stuck in traffic or steering between potholes and amazingly low speed limits”
Realistically the right car for those roads is an A110. If the review had gone from here to the Nordschliefe and back via Adeneu forest then I’d be inclined to probably agree with it, maybe, especially if it took in a morning of laps round the track and then some Autobahn.
Have a look at Harry’s Garage review of the normal GT3 for more honesty.
Don't get me wrong, I love these super road racers. But my own money? Small sports car without as much power, and a brilliant chassis. The A110 is a great shout.
DaveyBoyWonder said:
Not fully bought into the OTT styling (I know the aero is there for a reason) but that Lambo looks like it's just arrived from another world!
I'm fine with the crazy stuff on the Lambo, it's a supercar from the outset and I think it suits the look of the car. Not a fan of it on the Porsche at all. However good it is, the basic 911 is styled as a sports car, not a supercar, and the extreme aero they've thrown at the RS just looks a mess to me, at least on a road car.Not usually being a fan of the 911, I actually think the 992 GT3 is a very good looking car (as long as you have the air dam painted black), and the 991 GT3 RS was another looker. I also realise that the aero is there for a reason. If only someone at Porsche had the balls to say "99% of buyers won't be good enough drivers to notice the benefit, and some of these appendages are bloody ugly - who cares if we're a tiny bit slower around the 'ring?".
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