RE: Porsche 911 GT3 RS vs. Lamborghini Huracan STO
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WY86 said:
Neither for me, personally they scream mid life crisis cars, as let’s face it they may be track cars but most of them will only be driven doing t
t laps around Harrods, Monaco and Dubai.
That’s definitely not true of the 3RS. Visit any circuit during a track day, particularly in Germany, and the cars get used, hard. The Lamborghini is seen very, very rarely, however.t laps around Harrods, Monaco and Dubai. WY86 said:
Neither for me, personally they scream mid life crisis cars, as let’s face it they may be track cars but most of them will only be driven doing tt laps around Harrods, Monaco and Dubai.
have to agree.t laps around Harrods, Monaco and Dubai. smart money would be on a proper track car and a (cheaper) road going variant of these.
WY86 said:
Neither for me, personally they scream mid life crisis cars, as let’s face it they may be track cars but most of them will only be driven doing tt laps around Harrods, Monaco and Dubai.
Really? If I saw either I'd jist give thanks that such machines exist and enjoy them for the spectacle they provide. What's the cut of point for cads not representing 'crisis' of some sort. Should we all drive base spec hatchbacks or the like? Are AMG line, M-Sport, S-Line, St-line etc all examples of crisis buying...we don't NEED the fripperies these trim levels bring? SUVs, Pick Ups...? All indicative of some kind of crisis? It seems that cars and individual choice are no longer appreciated as they once were. Kinda sad. I'd have the Lambo. In bright Pink. t laps around Harrods, Monaco and Dubai. CABC said:
WY86 said:
Neither for me, personally they scream mid life crisis cars, as let’s face it they may be track cars but most of them will only be driven doing tt laps around Harrods, Monaco and Dubai.
have to agree.t laps around Harrods, Monaco and Dubai. smart money would be on a proper track car and a (cheaper) road going variant of these.
biggbn said:
Really? If I saw either I'd jist give thanks that such machines exist and enjoy them for the spectacle they provide. What's the cut of point for cads not representing 'crisis' of some sort. Should we all drive base spec hatchbacks or the like? Are AMG line, M-Sport, S-Line, St-line etc all examples of crisis buying...we don't NEED the fripperies these trim levels bring? SUVs, Pick Ups...? All indicative of some kind of crisis? It seems that cars and individual choice are no longer appreciated as they once were. Kinda sad. I'd have the Lambo. In bright Pink.
I think your looking far to deep into trim levels as probably 80% of the population see an m sport, s line or amg line as simply that a a nicer trim level. Most people aren’t that interested in cars.SUV’s and pick ups popularity is more a trend rather than mid life crisis!
Julian Thompson said:
Yep I see what you mean and that’s what I choose to do, but one thing to factor in is that these cars are actually extremely quick - it’s not like years ago when you could spend £5k on a track car and whizz round faster than a GT3 of its year. I run a 440hp V8 Radical SR8 on its massive slicks on track days and I note that I still have to really drive it to blow these GT3RS’s off - they’re properly rapid on track and those boys are driving there via Starbucks when we have trailers and a fair bit of prep.
but that's because they've become very track orientated, so the trip from Starbucks isn't so comfortable anymore. Glad they exist and would love a go. But, more fun in the Radical. hell, in reality more fun in a slower Caterham with no aero. WY86 said:
biggbn said:
Really? If I saw either I'd jist give thanks that such machines exist and enjoy them for the spectacle they provide. What's the cut of point for cads not representing 'crisis' of some sort. Should we all drive base spec hatchbacks or the like? Are AMG line, M-Sport, S-Line, St-line etc all examples of crisis buying...we don't NEED the fripperies these trim levels bring? SUVs, Pick Ups...? All indicative of some kind of crisis? It seems that cars and individual choice are no longer appreciated as they once were. Kinda sad. I'd have the Lambo. In bright Pink.
I think your looking far to deep into trim levels as probably 80% of the population see an m sport, s line or amg line as simply that a a nicer trim level. Most people aren’t that interested in cars.SUV’s and pick ups popularity is more a trend rather than mid life crisis!
CABC said:
Julian Thompson said:
Yep I see what you mean and that’s what I choose to do, but one thing to factor in is that these cars are actually extremely quick - it’s not like years ago when you could spend £5k on a track car and whizz round faster than a GT3 of its year. I run a 440hp V8 Radical SR8 on its massive slicks on track days and I note that I still have to really drive it to blow these GT3RS’s off - they’re properly rapid on track and those boys are driving there via Starbucks when we have trailers and a fair bit of prep.
but that's because they've become very track orientated, so the trip from Starbucks isn't so comfortable anymore. Glad they exist and would love a go. But, more fun in the Radical. hell, in reality more fun in a slower Caterham with no aero. Have a little photo because text is boring;
FlukePlay said:
I presume Porsche can identify who these flippers are? Should they ban them from future exclusives or are they all part of a 'boys club' where they all make money?
Given that 4 of the 10 cars available are sat in OPC's then yes they do know and are actively involved in it, with more on the way I'm sure. Julian Thompson said:
That’s definitely not true of the 3RS. Visit any circuit during a track day, particularly in Germany, and the cars get used, hard. The Lamborghini is seen very, very rarely, however.
My guess is this is because you'd get kicked out of most circuits in an STO thanks to noise regs. I am currently debating between Pista and STO and the inability to take the car on track is a big negative for the STO in my eyes. spikyone said:
I'm fine with the crazy stuff on the Lambo, it's a supercar from the outset and I think it suits the look of the car. Not a fan of it on the Porsche at all. However good it is, the basic 911 is styled as a sports car, not a supercar, and the extreme aero they've thrown at the RS just looks a mess to me, at least on a road car.
Not usually being a fan of the 911, I actually think the 992 GT3 is a very good looking car (as long as you have the air dam painted black), and the 991 GT3 RS was another looker. I also realise that the aero is there for a reason. If only someone at Porsche had the balls to say "99% of buyers won't be good enough drivers to notice the benefit, and some of these appendages are bloody ugly - who cares if we're a tiny bit slower around the 'ring?".
Isn't that the point of the GT3 though, and the Touring? There are tamer versions out there for those who want them. The RS is the mad one for people who want something more extreme.Not usually being a fan of the 911, I actually think the 992 GT3 is a very good looking car (as long as you have the air dam painted black), and the 991 GT3 RS was another looker. I also realise that the aero is there for a reason. If only someone at Porsche had the balls to say "99% of buyers won't be good enough drivers to notice the benefit, and some of these appendages are bloody ugly - who cares if we're a tiny bit slower around the 'ring?".
WY86 said:
Neither for me, personally they scream mid life crisis cars, as let’s face it they may be track cars but most of them will only be driven doing tt laps around Harrods, Monaco and Dubai.
What a sad attitude. If my mid-life crisis means I get to enjoy a GT3 RS, sign me up. It sounds like you might be a bit insecure though. I also saw one on track at the weekend for the record, so it looks like you might be wrong there too. Even if most of them are only used for "tt laps around Harrods, Monaco and Dubai. t laps", does it matter? If the owners are enjoying them, good for them. I'd rather be in their position than be the grumpy git moaning about it on the internet.av185 said:
Should have gone to Yorkshire for proper driving roads as the Peak District really has very few.
Ssshhhhh, don't want the Moors to become littered with the supercar crowd doing 50mph everywhere scared of scraping a splitter/hitting a sheep or pulling over to get a few shots for The Gram.GreatScott2016 said:
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Augustus Windsock said:
Despite being a Porsche fan I would never pay over the list price for one.
All this crap about having to buy so many Porsches and then have to sell them back to the main stealer is total b0110ck5.
So even if I had a big lottery win, I wouldn’t buy one, which is a shame as I’m sure I’d be missing out on one of the most visceral driving experiences ever from both manufacturers.
I’m sure there will be some that will say I’m having a paddy because I can’t afford one (which is correct, I’m currently nowhere near having the £££) but it’s more a standpoint, a little like when I rage about POA price tags.
Have to agree with you. I am so fortunate that if I wanted to, I could buy one, BUT, not at those inflated prices. They are both stunningly capable cars though All this crap about having to buy so many Porsches and then have to sell them back to the main stealer is total b0110ck5.
So even if I had a big lottery win, I wouldn’t buy one, which is a shame as I’m sure I’d be missing out on one of the most visceral driving experiences ever from both manufacturers.
I’m sure there will be some that will say I’m having a paddy because I can’t afford one (which is correct, I’m currently nowhere near having the £££) but it’s more a standpoint, a little like when I rage about POA price tags.
However IMO life is far too short not to enjoy a car of this quality if you can afford to buy one. Now had it for 9 months and 3,500 miles (the original owner put on 163 miles in 20 months!!) and its every bit as special as I'd hoped it would be. It can easily be daily-ed if you want to, but give it an open B-road on an early Sunday morning and it transforms into something quite special. If you have the means and the prices are coming back to list - don't waste a moment.
Julian Thompson said:
schaeffs said:
Julian Thompson said:
I don’t believe the article. These two cars pushed over those routes (yes I’m local) will be a complete pain in the backside, with the driver aware of the low ride height and track suspension. You simply can’t have a car that is circuit optimised that also rides Peak District tracks (they’re barely roads!) properly otherwise a rally car would look the same as a circuit car, and, erm, it doesn’t. Hence the comments the author dismisses in the vein of “a Carrera is enough” - those people aren’t being obtuse because they can’t afford an “RS” - many of them can.
I have been up there recently in my SLS, V12 Vantage and Superleggera 4wd and all three of them are too big, too heavy, too hard, too low and too expensive.
But then the article wouldn’t read as well if it said “yeah these two are brilliant in Europe but basically here they’re just too much except for a fleeting moment out of every hour you’re behind the wheel stuck in traffic or steering between potholes and amazingly low speed limits”
Realistically the right car for those roads is an A110. If the review had gone from here to the Nordschliefe and back via Adeneu forest then I’d be inclined to probably agree with it, maybe, especially if it took in a morning of laps round the track and then some Autobahn.
Have a look at Harry’s Garage review of the normal GT3 for more honesty.
Some nice cars in the stable there mate!I have been up there recently in my SLS, V12 Vantage and Superleggera 4wd and all three of them are too big, too heavy, too hard, too low and too expensive.
But then the article wouldn’t read as well if it said “yeah these two are brilliant in Europe but basically here they’re just too much except for a fleeting moment out of every hour you’re behind the wheel stuck in traffic or steering between potholes and amazingly low speed limits”
Realistically the right car for those roads is an A110. If the review had gone from here to the Nordschliefe and back via Adeneu forest then I’d be inclined to probably agree with it, maybe, especially if it took in a morning of laps round the track and then some Autobahn.
Have a look at Harry’s Garage review of the normal GT3 for more honesty.
On Harry's Garage - I watched that video about half a dozen times before I bought my 992 GT3 and have to say i was sweating a little - was it going to tramline and deflect on the off-camber bumps like he complained about (at some length) in the video? Emphatically mine does not in any way like that - my only conclusion is that the press car he had needed a geo done! The other thing is on the damping/suspension he mentioned - I find the damping in particular exquisite - its not harsh at all and just gets better and better as the speed rises. Totally different experience for me - it's easily the best Porsche I've ever driven.
I also noted that on literally the first lap it started to rain the guy binned the ring-taxi GT3RS and it was recovered and hastily covered up on the transporter back to the pits presumably to save it appearing on TikTube five minutes later. It was interesting that they returned in the Turbo S ring taxi shortly after
It did look good tho:
On the GT3 - another theory doing the rounds is that they are very tyre sensitive. Mine came with P-Zero Corsa's and interestingly the GT3T press car had these on, and was praised for its ride quality (ref: seenthroughglass and joeachilles). I'm a massive Michelin fan boy and have pretty much had either cup2's or PS4S's on all my cars but the P-Zero Corsa's are excellent.
I actually think a lot of these opinions on ride quality are person dependent - what's right for one person isn't for another. It's totally a case of driving before you buy to decide on what you think.
My view is that the standard 992 GT3 feels a lot like an old lotus I used to have, including the way it darts in on turn in, and that's just fantastic to feel in this day and age of ever heavier cars with electronic assistance.
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