EV with real 300+ mile range?

Not sure if this was posted.
https://ev-database.org/imp/cheatsheet/range-elect...

That's everything that does 310+ miles. None of which - except for the Peugeot - are cheap.

Mercedes-Benz EQS 450+ 425Average
Lucid Air Grand Touring 410Average
Mercedes-Benz EQS 450 4MATIC 410Average
Mercedes-Benz EQS 500 4MATIC 400Average
Mercedes-Benz EQS 580 4MATIC 400Average
Mercedes-Benz EQS AMG 53 4MATIC+ 365Average
Lucid Air Touring 360Average
Tesla Model S Dual Motor 355Average
Porsche Taycan Plus 350Average
Lucid Air Pure RWD 350Average
Tesla Model S Plaid 345Average
Mercedes-Benz EQE 350+ 345Average
Porsche Taycan 4S Plus 340Average
Mercedes-Benz EQS SUV 450+ 335Average
VinFast VF 9 Extended Range 325Average
Mercedes-Benz EQS SUV 450 4MATIC 325Average
Mercedes-Benz EQS SUV 500 4MATIC 325Average
Mercedes-Benz EQS SUV 580 4MATIC 325Average
Volkswagen ID.7 Pro S 325Average
Lotus Emeya 325Average
Lotus Emeya S 325Average
BMW i7 eDrive50 325Average
Zeekr 001 Long Range RWD 325Average
Mercedes-Benz EQE 300 325Average
Audi Q8 e-tron Sportback 55 quattro 325Average
Porsche Taycan Turbo 320Average
Porsche Taycan Plus Sport Turismo 320Average
BMW i4 eDrive40 320Average
Mercedes-Benz EQE 350 4MATIC 320Average
Porsche Taycan 4 Cross Turismo 315Average
Porsche Taycan 4S Cross Turismo 315Average
BMW i7 xDrive60 315Average
Mercedes-Benz EQE 500 4MATIC 315Average
Fisker Ocean Ultra 315Average
BMW iX xDrive50 315Average
Peugeot e-3008 98 kWh Long Range 315Average
Audi Q8 e-tron 55 quattro 315

SWoll

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blueg33 said:

Tindersticks said:

blueg33 said:

Thats the conclusion I keep reaching, but I do fancy an EV, its the PITA that I dont fancy.

As Swoll said, I think that random nature would be the deciding factor. A real-world 400 miles would do the job but that's not here yet sadly.

Lucid air is claiming 410 miles (very quick google)

Not available in the UK and likely never will be (they intend to launch a cheaper EV here). Those figures are also not real world.

The EQS 450+ is the range king for the moment in the UK, horribly expensive new though at £110k but can be picked up lightly used (22 plate, 20k miles) far half that.

Pistonheadsdicoverer said:

Not sure if this was posted.
https://ev-database.org/imp/cheatsheet/range-elect...

That's everything that does 310+ miles. None of which - except for the Peugeot - are cheap.

Mercedes-Benz EQS 450+ 425Average
Lucid Air Grand Touring 410Average
Mercedes-Benz EQS 450 4MATIC 410Average
Mercedes-Benz EQS 500 4MATIC 400Average
Mercedes-Benz EQS 580 4MATIC 400Average
Mercedes-Benz EQS AMG 53 4MATIC+ 365Average
Lucid Air Touring 360Average
Tesla Model S Dual Motor 355Average
Porsche Taycan Plus 350Average
Lucid Air Pure RWD 350Average
Tesla Model S Plaid 345Average
Mercedes-Benz EQE 350+ 345Average
Porsche Taycan 4S Plus 340Average
Mercedes-Benz EQS SUV 450+ 335Average
VinFast VF 9 Extended Range 325Average
Mercedes-Benz EQS SUV 450 4MATIC 325Average
Mercedes-Benz EQS SUV 500 4MATIC 325Average
Mercedes-Benz EQS SUV 580 4MATIC 325Average
Volkswagen ID.7 Pro S 325Average
Lotus Emeya 325Average
Lotus Emeya S 325Average
BMW i7 eDrive50 325Average
Zeekr 001 Long Range RWD 325Average
Mercedes-Benz EQE 300 325Average
Audi Q8 e-tron Sportback 55 quattro 325Average
Porsche Taycan Turbo 320Average
Porsche Taycan Plus Sport Turismo 320Average
BMW i4 eDrive40 320Average
Mercedes-Benz EQE 350 4MATIC 320Average
Porsche Taycan 4 Cross Turismo 315Average
Porsche Taycan 4S Cross Turismo 315Average
BMW i7 xDrive60 315Average
Mercedes-Benz EQE 500 4MATIC 315Average
Fisker Ocean Ultra 315Average
BMW iX xDrive50 315Average
Peugeot e-3008 98 kWh Long Range 315Average
Audi Q8 e-tron 55 quattro 315

All WLTP/EPA numbers rather than real world though.

Edited by SWoll on Tuesday 21st May 14:44

Snatch1

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740EVTORQUES said:

And just take a trip across France and you’ll see banks of reasonably priced DC fast chargers at every service station, always with some free.

Not on the way home from the Alps at Easter. We stopped in a couple of service stations and it was carnage. Every charger occupied with several EV's queuing, looked like a Tesla showroom.

I was then in my X5 so it was of no consequence to me. Now I have an iX I would have to think twice about driving to the Alps at Easter or February HT.

Thankfully 95%+ of my journeys will be less than 150 miles round trip and I have a home charger, so an EV makes perfect sense

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John87 said:

blueg33 said:

Seats. We have a new Volvo and they have tweaked the seats for the Polestar just enough to ruin them. The head rest is fixed and pushes your head forward at an uncomfortable angle. It may be ok for other but it gave both me and my wife neck ache very quickly.

A shame because the seats in the Volvo are fantastic

Did the Polestar you tried have the plus pack? The seats have a bit more adjustability than without although wouldn't solve the headrest issue.

I find mine comfortable but based on what I read elsewhere it is a very individual thing depending on your size and proportions. Some complain about feeling a bar across the seat, others complain about legs rubbing on the centre console, others say it is the most comfortable car they've been in. I suppose it shows the value of trying different cars out properly before buying smile

I'm amazed that the head rest can do that. I've just been sitting in mine trying to find a position where it would push my head forward and you and I must be very different shapes!

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TheDeuce said:

Wagonwheel555 said:

Now we have an EV, if we needed to move house in future the difficulty in getting a cable from the CU to where an EV charger could go would probably be one of the first things I would consider when looking at any house. Our previous house was a new build semi and the CU was in the centre, under the stairs on the party wall. Would have been a right drama to get a cable from there to the driveway next to the external wall on the other side of the house, not impossible but lots of making good afterwards.

My daily mileage has dropped dramatically since wfh, I probably do 3-4k a year total vs the 10-12k I was doing before. My car is the diesel which we will tow a caravan so the wife uses the EV for her 50 mile round trip commute 3 days a week.

If it helps, in the future, you can take a feed direct from the meter cupboard if that's external to the property, even if the CU is inside. In your case the meter may have been inside too though..

I do think there will increasingly be value to having a home charger installed when a house is put on the market. I'm not suggesting that anyone would put a £ value on it when making an offer, but I expect that increasingly less people will make an offer in the first place if there's no charger and no obvious solution to that - people are bound to think more about that as a requirement, not a nice to have as the ban date approaches and the media do their bit to dramatise that moment. If you don't get any or any decent offers when you market your home for sale, after a month or so the estate agent will be suggesting a small reduction in asking price - quite possibly enough to have paid for the charger to be installed in the first place.

I suppose it depends on who views a house with no charger. In the next few years I think a vendor would be lucky to have several people visit and most of them not have or at least be thinking about getting a PHEV if not full EV as their next car.

The second paragraph reads like fan fiction, there is absolutely no way in which having an EV charger would have any effect on house sales in this country. The cost to install is a rounding error in practically every transaction and most of the public don't care now and they won't in 10 years time. Those that do care would buy the house and pay to have it installed themselves

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SWoll said:

All WLTP/EPA numbers rather than real world though.

Edited by SWoll on Tuesday 21st May 14:44

They're EV Database "real range" figures

Taking Volkswagen ID7 Pro S as a middle-of-the-pack example: https://ev-database.org/imp/car/1840/Volkswagen-ID...

range quoted in the above list = 325 miles, WLTP = 435 miles

They represent mixed usage though so may well not be equivalent to 70mph++ motorway range

Also of interest might be Out-of-spec reviews 70mph range test, though as they're American, they won't have many models that we can buy over here: https://outofspecstudios.com/70-mph-range

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PinkHouse said:

TheDeuce said:

Wagonwheel555 said:

Now we have an EV, if we needed to move house in future the difficulty in getting a cable from the CU to where an EV charger could go would probably be one of the first things I would consider when looking at any house. Our previous house was a new build semi and the CU was in the centre, under the stairs on the party wall. Would have been a right drama to get a cable from there to the driveway next to the external wall on the other side of the house, not impossible but lots of making good afterwards.

My daily mileage has dropped dramatically since wfh, I probably do 3-4k a year total vs the 10-12k I was doing before. My car is the diesel which we will tow a caravan so the wife uses the EV for her 50 mile round trip commute 3 days a week.

If it helps, in the future, you can take a feed direct from the meter cupboard if that's external to the property, even if the CU is inside. In your case the meter may have been inside too though..

I do think there will increasingly be value to having a home charger installed when a house is put on the market. I'm not suggesting that anyone would put a £ value on it when making an offer, but I expect that increasingly less people will make an offer in the first place if there's no charger and no obvious solution to that - people are bound to think more about that as a requirement, not a nice to have as the ban date approaches and the media do their bit to dramatise that moment. If you don't get any or any decent offers when you market your home for sale, after a month or so the estate agent will be suggesting a small reduction in asking price - quite possibly enough to have paid for the charger to be installed in the first place.

I suppose it depends on who views a house with no charger. In the next few years I think a vendor would be lucky to have several people visit and most of them not have or at least be thinking about getting a PHEV if not full EV as their next car.

The second paragraph reads like fan fiction, there is absolutely no way in which having an EV charger would have any effect on house sales in this country. The cost to install is a rounding error in practically every transaction and most of the public don't care now and they won't in 10 years time. Those that do care would buy the house and pay to have it installed themselves

I think it's too basic to say the average charger install costs '£xx' and therefore it's a none issue in terms of houses value/appeal to a person viewing. Sure the cost is typically low, relative to the house cost, but it's also an unknown cost/amount of hassle if there isn't a charger installed.

I really don't agree that 'most' people won't care now or especially in ten years. Most people with the resources to buy a home will absolutely have relatively new cars and in that time period will assume they'll end up with a car with a plug, if they haven't already.

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Basil Brush said:

John87 said:

blueg33 said:

Seats. We have a new Volvo and they have tweaked the seats for the Polestar just enough to ruin them. The head rest is fixed and pushes your head forward at an uncomfortable angle. It may be ok for other but it gave both me and my wife neck ache very quickly.

A shame because the seats in the Volvo are fantastic

Did the Polestar you tried have the plus pack? The seats have a bit more adjustability than without although wouldn't solve the headrest issue.

I find mine comfortable but based on what I read elsewhere it is a very individual thing depending on your size and proportions. Some complain about feeling a bar across the seat, others complain about legs rubbing on the centre console, others say it is the most comfortable car they've been in. I suppose it shows the value of trying different cars out properly before buying smile

I'm amazed that the head rest can do that. I've just been sitting in mine trying to find a position where it would push my head forward and you and I must be very different shapes!

Independently both me and my wife made the observation. I get a similar issue in the Alfa but it’s much less pronounced.

I do tend to have the seat reasonably upright

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Pistonheadsdicoverer said:

Not sure if this was posted.
https://ev-database.org/imp/cheatsheet/range-elect...

That's everything that does 310+ miles. None of which - except for the Peugeot - are cheap.

Peugeot e-3008 98 kWh Long Range 315Average

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/peugeot/e-3008-suv/

£50k is cheap?
Heavy - 2.1 tones
Slow - 8.8 to 60.

They recon the range is 260 miles from their driving.

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andyspiers said:

They're EV Database "real range" figures

Taking Volkswagen ID7 Pro S as a middle-of-the-pack example: https://ev-database.org/imp/car/1840/Volkswagen-ID...

range quoted in the above list = 325 miles, WLTP = 435 miles

They represent mixed usage though so may well not be equivalent to 70mph++ motorway range

Also of interest might be Out-of-spec reviews 70mph range test, though as they're American, they won't have many models that we can buy over here: https://outofspecstudios.com/70-mph-range

Never in a million years are Taycan's and etron's averaging 300+ miles of real world range in mixed usage.

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SWoll said:

Never in a million years are Taycan's and etron's averaging 300+ miles of real world range in mixed usage.

Totally agree. (I raise you a billion years biggrin

).

mk2 might be different. Though am not convinced.

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SWoll said:

blueg33 said:

Tindersticks said:

blueg33 said:

Thats the conclusion I keep reaching, but I do fancy an EV, its the PITA that I dont fancy.

As Swoll said, I think that random nature would be the deciding factor. A real-world 400 miles would do the job but that's not here yet sadly.

Lucid air is claiming 410 miles (very quick google)

Not available in the UK and likely never will be (they intend to launch a cheaper EV here). Those figures are also not real world.

The Lucid does 500 miles at 70mph, and around 435 in the cold:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpcMcgxjiL8

It's an amazing car, I hope they do well, the people building it are obsessed with efficiency, the car is far ahead of Tesla in that area it would seem. TopGear have done a series of video deep dives in to how they did it, seem a great bunch of lads.

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autumnsum said:

SWoll said:

blueg33 said:

Tindersticks said:

blueg33 said:

Thats the conclusion I keep reaching, but I do fancy an EV, its the PITA that I dont fancy.

As Swoll said, I think that random nature would be the deciding factor. A real-world 400 miles would do the job but that's not here yet sadly.

Lucid air is claiming 410 miles (very quick google)

Not available in the UK and likely never will be (they intend to launch a cheaper EV here). Those figures are also not real world.

The Lucid does 500 miles at 70mph, and around 435 in the cold:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpcMcgxjiL8

It's an amazing car, I hope they do well, the people building it are obsessed with efficiency, the car is far ahead of Tesla in that area it would seem. TopGear have done a series of video deep dives in to how they did it, seem a great bunch of lads.

It's such a shame we miss out on so many great cars like this in the UK

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PinkHouse said:

The second paragraph reads like fan fiction, there is absolutely no way in which having an EV charger would have any effect on house sales in this country. The cost to install is a rounding error in practically every transaction and most of the public don't care now and they won't in 10 years time. Those that do care would buy the house and pay to have it installed themselves

The post you were responding to said installed or able to be installed. The OP has said he can’t actually install one on his property (I’m still not really clear why) and that’s not as simple to fix as just saying £1,000 to install once you’ve bought the place.

Of course, the world may be different in 15 years time and home charging might no longer be a big deal.

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PinkHouse said:

autumnsum said:

SWoll said:

blueg33 said:

Tindersticks said:

blueg33 said:

Thats the conclusion I keep reaching, but I do fancy an EV, its the PITA that I dont fancy.

As Swoll said, I think that random nature would be the deciding factor. A real-world 400 miles would do the job but that's not here yet sadly.

Lucid air is claiming 410 miles (very quick google)

Not available in the UK and likely never will be (they intend to launch a cheaper EV here). Those figures are also not real world.

The Lucid does 500 miles at 70mph, and around 435 in the cold:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpcMcgxjiL8

It's an amazing car, I hope they do well, the people building it are obsessed with efficiency, the car is far ahead of Tesla in that area it would seem. TopGear have done a series of video deep dives in to how they did it, seem a great bunch of lads.

It's such a shame we miss out on so many great cars like this in the UK

I am sure a couple of years ago, you could pre-order a Lucid Air for the UK market. I remember playing with the configurator and then getting WBAC (we buy any child) to value my offspring

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blueg33 said:

Thats the conclusion I keep reaching, but I do fancy an EV, its the PITA that I dont fancy.

I'm in the same boat, would love an EV (after driving a Taycan the other week). I can granny charge in my garage and don't do that many miles, but I really don't fancy the hassle when going on holiday.
I know EV'ers always say I can charge while I eat at services, empty the bladder etc etc - but there's no way I want to sit eating in a service station while on holiday thanks (or any other time for that matter), or dossing around waiting for a charger to become free.

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