2003 Evo 8. The walk of shame!

2003 Evo 8. The walk of shame!

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Paul S4

1,188 posts

212 months

Thursday 9th April 2020
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Really like the car, and very interesting write up.

I have never been into Japanese cars (Alfas instead ...!) but I have always liked the Evo rather than the Subarus.

I first saw an Evo in white when they were very rare over here, it was a very early 'grey' import parked at a local main dealer.
I am not sure what model it was....

I may be in the minority here, but does anyone ever run one of these without the boot spoiler ?
And does it actually make a difference at 'normal road speeds'?

I am prepared to be mocked for this question....!!

I bought an E36 318iS a few years ago, as a second car but mainly to do a few track days etc, and it had the OEM optional boot spoiler.

These tend to polarise opinion, but the first thing I did was to buy a secondhand standard boot in silver and then sold on the 'M' sport one.


I just think that the Evo design is very good without any enhancements.....






Heaveho

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5,374 posts

176 months

Thursday 9th April 2020
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TheAngryDog said:
I'd like an Evo, but I don't have the money for one lol. Or the parking for one. I'd not want to leave it on my driveway.
The 8 is about as about as good as it gets for a cheap Evo. They aren't viewed as especially desirable compared to a 6 or a 9, so they aren't really commanding much money. I used to worry about it getting nicked, but I think the game's moved on to the Golf R and S3 Audis.

The smart money though would be an Evo9 wagon.....all the benefits of a saloon, but it's an estate body and less money for reasons that defeat me. If I didn't already have this, I'd be looking at them.

If you ever get the chance, go for it. I've had access to a lot of ostensibly more desirable cars ( Nissan R35, R8, IS-F, Kleeman Merc ). They've all come and gone, this is still here. There's nothing quite like them.

Heaveho

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Friday 10th April 2020
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Paul S4 said:
Really like the car, and very interesting write up.

I have never been into Japanese cars (Alfas instead ...!) but I have always liked the Evo rather than the Subarus.

I first saw an Evo in white when they were very rare over here, it was a very early 'grey' import parked at a local main dealer.
I am not sure what model it was....

I may be in the minority here, but does anyone ever run one of these without the boot spoiler ?
And does it actually make a difference at 'normal road speeds'?

I am prepared to be mocked for this question....!!

I bought an E36 318iS a few years ago, as a second car but mainly to do a few track days etc, and it had the OEM optional boot spoiler.

These tend to polarise opinion, but the first thing I did was to buy a secondhand standard boot in silver and then sold on the 'M' sport one.


I just think that the Evo design is very good without any enhancements.....
I had years working for a Toyota dealer, I like Jap stuff because I like reliable cars! I've got an early MR2 and a Boxster S, I'm fairly sure it'll be the Porsche that bites me out of the 3! I had an X plate Impreza Turbo 2000 in 2003 when the Evo turned up, and ran them both for a while, but the Impreza couldn't see which way the Evo went in the twisties, and there was no point keeping it.

A few of the guys on an American forum lose the original rear spoiler and either run without one, or just use a small lip. I don't really have an opinion about how it looks without one, but I've never considered doing that to mine. There was a video on Youtube of a guy running a modified Evo on something like Vmax without the rear spoiler......the back went light at 183 mph and he spun it and got away with it. Don't imagine he'd have had a problem on the road, to be fair.

TheAngryDog

12,421 posts

211 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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Heaveho said:
The 8 is about as about as good as it gets for a cheap Evo. They aren't viewed as especially desirable compared to a 6 or a 9, so they aren't really commanding much money. I used to worry about it getting nicked, but I think the game's moved on to the Golf R and S3 Audis.

The smart money though would be an Evo9 wagon.....all the benefits of a saloon, but it's an estate body and less money for reasons that defeat me. If I didn't already have this, I'd be looking at them.

If you ever get the chance, go for it. I've had access to a lot of ostensibly more desirable cars ( Nissan R35, R8, IS-F, Kleeman Merc ). They've all come and gone, this is still here. There's nothing quite like them.
I would have to sell my M5 to get one, and I don't think that I could do that, it would feel like taking too much of a bath. They're currently at £10k plus for 7s, so I imagine 8s will be more.

Heaveho

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176 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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TheAngryDog said:
I would have to sell my M5 to get one, and I don't think that I could do that, it would feel like taking too much of a bath. They're currently at £10k plus for 7s, so I imagine 8s will be more.
The Evo would feel like a fair step down in luxury! laugh We had one when they first came out, and I had the Evo then, so I know how that would feel. I've seen your thread, so I know why you say that, to be fair.

There's a reasonable crossover in price between 7 and 8s, the real bargains are the 8 260 model. They've got the stronger 5 speed box, and respond to mods the same way as any other 8. They had a bit of a stigma attached to them when they first came out, so the prices tended to be lower, but they're fundamentally just the same car in a lower state of tune. Most will have had bolt on mods to take them to 350 brake or more by now, again, cheaper to buy one already modified, as long as you can be sure it's been mapped properly.

Good luck with it if you can justify it. Get in touch if you get that far, happy to answer any questions if I can..

Heaveho

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176 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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The miracles of a more expensive trickle charger....the battery this is connected to was giving off all the signs of having nearly croaked it 3 days ago. Happy days.

It had been connected to a Lidl ? Aldi? can't remember, cheap and cheery, I did wonder whether it was the car developing a problem or the charger not doing the job. Lesson learned.


Heaveho

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176 months

Sunday 18th July 2021
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It's been a while. 2 years more or less, for various reasons. Between becoming smitten with my Mk1 MR2, replacing my work van, recommissioning the Boxster, working, and buying a flat, the Evo has been rather overlooked. The last time it came out to play in anger was in May 2019 for what was our annual pilgrimage to Spa for the classic.

I used it that summer until the tax ran out in the August or September, and it went into hibernation for winter. And didn't come back out, mainly at the time because covid took over. Until this week anyway.

This was the first place it went.....



That building with the white GT-R outside is Evotune in Durham, my go to guru for all things Evo. £869 later, and it's had engine oil and filter, gearbox oil, transfer box oil, rear diff oil and AYC bath oil replaced. Also, timing and balancer shaft belts, plugs and air filter. The boost gauge packed up on the way down there, and they kindly sorted out a new T piece and associated silicone hoses to replace the heat perished originals while it was there.

I hadn't had the opportunity to drive it hard before giving to them, as I was still burning off the old fuel, and brimmed it just before I got there. I also didn't get the chance to have a proper go on the way home due to the traffic, but managed a couple of hours in it today.

The first opportunity to get some right foot into it revealed it to be delivering a max of 1.4 bar of boost. Hmm, ok, well it's got 2 maps, so let's see if it's defaulted to the lower setting. Er, no, the other setting is giving 1.2 bar. It's mapped for 1.8 on high boost.......

Annoyingly, it's been so long since I drove it that I can't decide whether it's actually delivering 1.8 and the gauge is misbehaving, or it really is down on boost. The last time I had a boost related issue, it was the 3 port boost solenoid dying, but I think the first port of call is to plumb in another gauge and have another go.

It ( and my other 2 ) are supposedly going to be featured in the modern classics section of a car mag as soon as I can get my act together and get decents pics of them all. I've already had the MR2 pics done, hopefully it'll be the turn of the Evo next Sunday, and then the Boxster after that.

This has been home for it for about a year until this week. It swapped places with the Boxster last weekend.....



Out and about in balmy temperatures earlier......


take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey

5,388 posts

57 months

Sunday 18th July 2021
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Timely. I'm just recommisioning my VII RS after a similarly long hibernation and my closest MUTII owning garage has packed in work and I was wondering whether Evotune were still on the go.

Heaveho

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5,374 posts

176 months

Friday 8th September 2023
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Oh dear.........another sideways pics, keep getting this.



So, having MOT'd it and spent about a grand on maintenance and servicing, I was forced to put the Evo straight into storage. That was in July 2021!

I subsequently worked away regularly for the next year, then fell ill, so it's been utterly neglected in that time. Fast forward to today, and the above is what I was faced with. It's been in my best mate's mother's garage, which has no power, so the battery has been at mine on trickle. I gathered together keys, tools, battery, oil, syringe, and hope!

I removed the plugs, squirted a teaspoon of oil down the bores with the syringe, disconnected the crank sensor, which also disables the injectors, rocked the car back and forth in gear to encourage a little internal movement and to see if the brakes were free. All good so far.

I connected the battery, and cranked it for 15 seconds, then a minutes pause, and again for 15 seconds, at which point I could see smoke coming from the negative battery lead which wasn't tight. That was enough for me, so I took the oil cap off and could see oil on the cams, great. Plugs and crank sensor back on, tightened the battery terminals, prayed, and cranked it in earnest.

It's alive. Started almost immediately, although initially a bit spluttery to the point where I thought it would stall, but it got itself onto four in seconds. Garage full of smoke from the oil down the bores, but not even tappet rattle after more than 2 years, and no probs with fuel.

Getting a lift back over to bring it back home today after I arrange for an MOT that it won't have so I'm covered to drive it back. Then a real MOT next week when I've checked it over.

I'm delighted, been worrying about it for a few weeks now, but it seems fine. More later when it's finally here.

macron

10,013 posts

168 months

Friday 8th September 2023
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Excellent!!!

cerb4.5lee

31,134 posts

182 months

Friday 8th September 2023
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Great stuff! thumbup

I get so nostalgic whenever I see your Evo for definite. smile

Heaveho

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176 months

Friday 8th September 2023
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cerb4.5lee said:
Great stuff! thumbup

I get so nostalgic whenever I see your Evo for definite. smile
Lol, you and me both. It spends more time on here in pictures than it does on the road!

I've had it for nearly 20 years, it had 8k miles on it when I got it at 8 months old in 2004, it's still only done 52k, despite it living in Crete when I lived there in the mid 2000s, regular trips to the IOM when I was back in the UK, up and down from Newcastle to Southampton etc, several trips to the Spa classic, plus a couple of trackdays, quarter miling at Santa Pod and Thorney Island, and multiple blasts around Scotland in the company of like minded hooners. It seems like there was a period in it's life where it was never really inactive, yet the mileage tells a different story.

Considering I added 14k miles to it in the first year I had it, it really has had very little use between then and now.

I must subconsciously regard it as the best car I've had, everything else that many would regard as better cars have fallen by the wayside in a straight fight between what to keep and what to let go of. It's interesting to have been able to run more than one car at a time, you don't have to sacrifice something to try something else and then regret making the wrong decision afterwards.

An honourable mention must go to the Lexus IS-F I had back in 2009. I wish I still had that. But I let it go in favour of the Evo.

Mr Tidy

22,776 posts

129 months

Friday 8th September 2023
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A great update. thumbup

Heaveho

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Friday 8th September 2023
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Mr Tidy said:
A great update. thumbup
Thank you.

So, it's home, and without incident. My mate, whose mother's garage was the Evo's home until today, picked me up after he finished work. After popping in to see her and thanking her for the extended loan of her garage, for which she refused any remuneration, bless her, I set off. It fired up as though it was a daily driver, 20 mins later and that was that. Everything feels a bit bumpy and and crashy, but that'll be the square, slightly deflated tyres and cold oil. The air con is still ice cold. The engine sounds absolutely sweet, albeit driven gently off boost, in deference to the old fuel. I never drive it on boost until it's done 15 miles from cold regardless, it needs that long to get oil temp. All bets are off after that, 1.8 bar and a heavy right foot are temptations I rarely resist!

It's had a quick bath before bed, first time it's been with the rest of the family for a while and the first time I've managed to get the 3 of them in there without resorting to using the scissor ramp I bought when I first hatched the plan to house 3 cars in a 2 car garage. Living in a city centre townhouse has it's disadvantages with regard to car owning practicalities.





Soz, another sideways pic.



In the last pic you can see the scissor ramp with the MR2 parked sideways over it. Once you get the hang of the angles, it's pretty easy to manoeuvre it into where it needs to be, and it's less aggro than using the ramp just for parking. It means I'm way more likely to use that car, as it's a right faff using the ramp in a tight space. I'm much happier with this solution, and this should be the way things are for the forseeable now that I've nearly finished the house and don't need garage space to be used for storing building materials, which was initially why the Evo has ended up being away for so long.

So, the to do list involves a fairly in depth engine bay aesthetic overhaul, a machine polish of the paintwork, a replacement 3 port boost solenoid, as it wasn't making full boost before I stored it and I've had probs of this nature in the past.

I want to repaint the front APs in the red that became an option after I had already bought the black ones, and I'll need to find the white decals they will need. They will then better match the original rear red Brembos. I should really consider having the front end repainted, as it's absolutely battered from multiple and committed trips around Scotland, but it's never had paint and I like the fact that although it could be better, it's all still original. I'm going to put a double din carplay in it, something I wasn't bothered about until a couple of years ago, but I've realised it makes a car a much nicer place to be.

I'm also going to put a second alarm on it. I was offered 30k for it a little while ago, by someone who has known the car a long time. It was 22k when I got it! It's a huge offer for what it is, but I said no. There's no point, I would only go through the same sellers regret as every other ex Evo owner seems to experience. But it made me realise that I've maybe been a bit complacent about the desirability of it, and I'm self aware enough to know my reaction to it being stolen will be disproportional if it gets nicked.

In the time I've owned it, I've replaced one heater matrix at 10 years old, and one air con rad at 15 years, plus two batteries. Those are the only parts to need replacing due to failure, that it left the factory with. The only other probs have been the failure of mods that I've added, the used and unknown mileage Evo 9 turbo that I ran at 1.8 bar for 8 years before it shat itself in Scotland, and the aftermarket 3 port boost solenoid. It's been a great car for me. I can't see it ever leaving now.


rallye101

2,003 posts

199 months

Friday 8th September 2023
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You have naughty coil packs, what's it running? Cams and uprated fuel pump for starters?

Heaveho

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176 months

Friday 8th September 2023
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rallye101 said:
You have naughty coil packs, what's it running? Cams and uprated fuel pump for starters?
It's completely standard internally, but it's a complete Evo 9 VVT head transplant, E9 turbo, inlet manifold and ECU with home made wiring loom to run the MIVEC and a custom made braided line oil feed from Pirtek for the same, fed from one of the ports on the oil filter housing instead of drilling the rear of the block for the supply ( which is how Mitsubishi did it ). That would have meant engine out, and I couldn't see the point.. Plus, additional bolt ons. So, Walbro fuel pump, ARP head studs, coil on plug kit, ETS intercooler and hard pipes, HKS silentpower exhaust, decat, 3" downpipe, ported standard exhaust manifold, modified airbox with panel filter and cold air feed, 3 port boost control and all the EGR guff removed.

It's mapped for 97ron, as at the time, I couldn't always get VPower or Tesco 99, so probs makes a bit less than it could, but the torque is 380, and bhp on high boost ( 2 stage map ) 393 I think ( been a while since it was done ). I wanted to keep the torque figure at a reasonable amount below 400, as that's where the problems start with the standard rods and 6 speed box. It's quick enough for a road car. At Santa Pod it hit 60 in 3.9, and 100 in 10.9, not spectacular in comparison to a mapped Golf R for example, but it's enough.

Sorry, just looked back through this, and realised I posted a lot of the above back in 2020, sorry for repeating it!

Edited by Heaveho on Friday 8th September 23:06

Heaveho

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Saturday 9th September 2023
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My next headache is to get it MOTd. Ideally, I'd like to drive it to burn off all of the old fuel and brim it with new. But it's got half a tank of more than 2 year old fuel , and even at 17mpg, that's too far to drive with no MOT. My problem being that other people will drive the car either to and from the garage that's arranging the MOT, or during the brake test, and regardless of me telling them it's mapped for decent fuel, not 2 year old goat piss, and therefore not to be driven on boost, they'll like as not kick it's brains in anyway to see what it goes like. Regardless of who pays the bill for that, if it comes back with a holed piston, I could do without the assault charge and associated aggro that comes with the aftermath! laugh

I've been fortunate enough in the past to have been looked after by a couple of very " friendly " MOT testers, who know the car will not be getting sold, and will be kept roadworthy, but accept it's perhaps not playing entirely by the rules in some respects. Those days are over now, so I'm at the mercy of whoever decides how lenient is acceptable. I can easily circumnavigate the stick on front plate, and if I get the car hot enough, it'll pass the emissions with the cat removed, but I imagine some testers might get a bit sniffy with me knowing the cat is supposed to be there.

Edited by Heaveho on Saturday 9th September 15:15

iphonedyou

9,288 posts

159 months

Saturday 9th September 2023
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Lovely car!

We don’t do much right in NI but we definitely have a better MOT system. The setup in England is mad.

Heaveho

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176 months

Sunday 10th September 2023
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As I mentioned, the Evo had a mega-service just before having to be stored. Because of my religious ritual of never driving it hard until the oil's up to temp, I didn't discover that it wasn't making full boost until just before I got back home, and unfortunately I was too preoccupied with other things to deal with it at the time.

It made the low boost setting of 1.2 bar, but would only see about 1.4 on high boost. Target on high is 1.8. The situation was slightly complicated by the boost gauge plumbing coming apart on the way to get serviced. They replaced the piping with silicone, and in all honesty it's almost certainly an unrelated coincidence, although it raises the question of whether the problem is with the car or the gauge. I can see I mentioned this problem a few posts ago, but that was before I put it away, and I'd pretty much forgotten that I was going to have to sort this out.

The daft thing is, I had driven the car so infrequently at the time that I couldn't decide if it felt as quick as it should or not. However, I've had issues with the none standard 3 port boost solenoid in the past, when it prevented the car from making target boost during a mapping session after I'd put the MIVEC E9 parts on. Again, the car had stood for some time back then, due to difficulties in figuring out the pinouts on the ECU, and the solenoid, I suspect, had partially seized due to inactivity. The symptoms are pretty similar this time around, so I'm going to order a new one tomorrow, and if it fixes it, strip and inspect the old one for no other reason than to satisfy my curiosity.

Hoping to have a lead on an MOT option tomorrow, we'll see how that pans out. There's a weekly caff meet not too far away I'd like to go to on Wednesday, so that's the target I've set to have it roadworthy.



Edited by Heaveho on Sunday 10th September 23:34

TGCOTF-dewey

5,388 posts

57 months

Monday 11th September 2023
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Interested to hear a bit more on the 9 > 8 engine swap. I've seen the odd one and every write up suggests it's a PITA to work out. This must be 10+ years ago on MLR though.

Is it straight fwd now?