Visor/helmet cleaner that works
Discussion
bolidemichael said:
It's worth mentioning that Motul is approved for use with Arai helmets (at least) as it doesn't cause the plastics to go brittle -- using Muc Off and other such cleaners invalidates the warranty, apparently.
Never heard of that before but also never had to deal with visor warranty in the time I used to sell helmets.SAS Tom said:
bolidemichael said:
It's worth mentioning that Motul is approved for use with Arai helmets (at least) as it doesn't cause the plastics to go brittle -- using Muc Off and other such cleaners invalidates the warranty, apparently.
Never heard of that before but also never had to deal with visor warranty in the time I used to sell helmets.
The issue arises when the entire helmet is cleaned and the plastics that retain the sidepods fail. I've always cleaned my visors with muc off and not had an problem with brittle sidepod holders, as these are usually cleaned with either Wurth cleaner (RIP) and/or a damp microfibre.
I bought a little plastic bottle with a spray top from eBay ages ago and fill it with one drop of washing up liquid and then fill of water. It's a third the size of a pack of cigarettes, lasts a week and with some travel tissues, keeps the view clear. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/315379492880
I've tried various products in the past and they all cost far more than their effectiveness would suggest they should.
I've tried various products in the past and they all cost far more than their effectiveness would suggest they should.
At home I tend to soak a cloth/towel in water and drape it over my lid for a while to soften the bugs etc, wipe off with the towel as much as possible then finish with some autoglym show shine spray, cleans the lid and visor a treat and will bead water for a short amount of time.
When I'm out I have a small bottle of the Muc-Off visor cleaner under the seat with a MF cloth.
When I'm out I have a small bottle of the Muc-Off visor cleaner under the seat with a MF cloth.
bolidemichael said:
SAS Tom said:
bolidemichael said:
It's worth mentioning that Motul is approved for use with Arai helmets (at least) as it doesn't cause the plastics to go brittle -- using Muc Off and other such cleaners invalidates the warranty, apparently.
Never heard of that before but also never had to deal with visor warranty in the time I used to sell helmets.The issue arises when the entire helmet is cleaned and the plastics that retain the sidepods fail. I've always cleaned my visors with muc off and not had an problem with brittle sidepod holders, as these are usually cleaned with either Wurth cleaner (RIP) and/or a damp microfibre.
t on this one. I could possibly swallow a plating/film getting damaged from a cleaner, but for a skoosh of muc-off to be absorbed into the plastic sidepod almost instantaneously debonding the polymer is crap. For example where I worked we used to do accelerated testing of polymers using base acids and hydrocarbons at 40 degrees ambient temp for 28 days and the most absorption we saw was around 2-4%, very rarely did this result in a brittle failure of the polymer during testing. When you consider I was in a full chemical suit with Breathing Apparatus on handling 40-80% Nitric, sulphuric or Acetic acid doing these tests I'm struggling to believe muc-off would do the square root of fk all. It's far more likely to be caused by UV ageing, we used to have a machine called a Weatherometer, that would simulate years of sunshine and rain on samples in a few months, although not if you forgot to put the sample in like I did once. I just thought I'd tell people this as I always liked the name of the unit.
It's far more likely Arai got into bed with Motul and will only approve them as a cleaner. Thats before you get onto their pish sidepod design and failure to recognise any sharp testing on these zones. Still they have had some nice designs.
Edited by moanthebairns on Wednesday 5th June 16:17
moanthebairns said:
bolidemichael said:
SAS Tom said:
bolidemichael said:
It's worth mentioning that Motul is approved for use with Arai helmets (at least) as it doesn't cause the plastics to go brittle -- using Muc Off and other such cleaners invalidates the warranty, apparently.
Never heard of that before but also never had to deal with visor warranty in the time I used to sell helmets.The issue arises when the entire helmet is cleaned and the plastics that retain the sidepods fail. I've always cleaned my visors with muc off and not had an problem with brittle sidepod holders, as these are usually cleaned with either Wurth cleaner (RIP) and/or a damp microfibre.
t on this one. I could possibly swallow a plating/film getting damaged from a cleaner, but for a skoosh of muc-off to be absorbed into the plastic sidepod almost instantaneously debonding the polymer is crap. For example where I worked we used to do accelerated testing of polymers using base acids and hydrocarbons at 40 degrees ambient temp for 28 days and the most absorption we saw was around 2-4%, very rarely did this result in a brittle failure of the polymer during testing. When you consider I was in a full chemical suit with Breathing Apparatus on handling 40-80% Nitric, sulphuric or Acetic acid doing these tests I'm struggling to believe muc-off would do the square root of fk all. It's far more likely to be caused by UV ageing, we used to have a machine called a Weatherometer, that would simulate years of sunshine and rain on samples in a few months, although not if you forgot to put the sample in like I did once. I just thought I'd tell people this as I always liked the name of the unit.
It's far more likely Arai got into bed with Motul and will only approve them as a cleaner. Thats before you get onto their pish sidepod design and failure to recognise any sharp testing on these zones. Still they have had some nice designs.
Edited by moanthebairns on Wednesday 5th June 16:17
Like the rumours about the helmet x ray machine that doesn’t exist.
SAS Tom said:
moanthebairns said:
bolidemichael said:
SAS Tom said:
bolidemichael said:
It's worth mentioning that Motul is approved for use with Arai helmets (at least) as it doesn't cause the plastics to go brittle -- using Muc Off and other such cleaners invalidates the warranty, apparently.
Never heard of that before but also never had to deal with visor warranty in the time I used to sell helmets.The issue arises when the entire helmet is cleaned and the plastics that retain the sidepods fail. I've always cleaned my visors with muc off and not had an problem with brittle sidepod holders, as these are usually cleaned with either Wurth cleaner (RIP) and/or a damp microfibre.
t on this one. I could possibly swallow a plating/film getting damaged from a cleaner, but for a skoosh of muc-off to be absorbed into the plastic sidepod almost instantaneously debonding the polymer is crap. For example where I worked we used to do accelerated testing of polymers using base acids and hydrocarbons at 40 degrees ambient temp for 28 days and the most absorption we saw was around 2-4%, very rarely did this result in a brittle failure of the polymer during testing. When you consider I was in a full chemical suit with Breathing Apparatus on handling 40-80% Nitric, sulphuric or Acetic acid doing these tests I'm struggling to believe muc-off would do the square root of fk all. It's far more likely to be caused by UV ageing, we used to have a machine called a Weatherometer, that would simulate years of sunshine and rain on samples in a few months, although not if you forgot to put the sample in like I did once. I just thought I'd tell people this as I always liked the name of the unit.
It's far more likely Arai got into bed with Motul and will only approve them as a cleaner. Thats before you get onto their pish sidepod design and failure to recognise any sharp testing on these zones. Still they have had some nice designs.
Edited by moanthebairns on Wednesday 5th June 16:17
Like the rumours about the helmet x ray machine that doesn’t exist.
How would that translate to a decision? If one didn’t know better they’d be assured in buying Motul.
To be fair, it isn’t a bad cleaner, though nothing on the expanding foam of Wurth which would pull the dirt out of crevices.
However, as I stated above, I have used muc off for years and they confirmed that there are no issues with my helmets. I was given a muc off kit for my thirtieth birthday in 2008 and it’s a little zip up container which retains the mini atomiser which has never failed and the micro fiber. It’s super helpful when I’m out and about and use it whenever I stop.
moanthebairns said:
It's been almost 20 years since I used to test polymers for a living and I've had a lot of knocks to the head, so I might be talking pish but I'm calling bullst on this one. I could possibly swallow a plating/film getting damaged from a cleaner, but for a skoosh of muc-off to be absorbed into the plastic sidepod almost instantaneously debonding the polymer is crap. For example where I worked we used to do accelerated testing of polymers using base acids and hydrocarbons at 40 degrees ambient temp for 28 days and the most absorption we saw was around 2-4%, very rarely did this result in a brittle failure of the polymer during testing. When you consider I was in a full chemical suit with Breathing Apparatus on handling 40-80% Nitric, sulphuric or Acetic acid doing these tests I'm struggling to believe muc-off would do the square root of fk all.
It's far more likely to be caused by UV ageing, we used to have a machine called a Weatherometer, that would simulate years of sunshine and rain on samples in a few months, although not if you forgot to put the sample in like I did once. I just thought I'd tell people this as I always liked the name of the unit.
It's far more likely Arai got into bed with Motul and will only approve them as a cleaner. Thats before you get onto their pish sidepod design and failure to recognise any sharp testing on these zones. Still they have had some nice designs.
t on this one. I could possibly swallow a plating/film getting damaged from a cleaner, but for a skoosh of muc-off to be absorbed into the plastic sidepod almost instantaneously debonding the polymer is crap. For example where I worked we used to do accelerated testing of polymers using base acids and hydrocarbons at 40 degrees ambient temp for 28 days and the most absorption we saw was around 2-4%, very rarely did this result in a brittle failure of the polymer during testing. When you consider I was in a full chemical suit with Breathing Apparatus on handling 40-80% Nitric, sulphuric or Acetic acid doing these tests I'm struggling to believe muc-off would do the square root of fk all. It's far more likely to be caused by UV ageing, we used to have a machine called a Weatherometer, that would simulate years of sunshine and rain on samples in a few months, although not if you forgot to put the sample in like I did once. I just thought I'd tell people this as I always liked the name of the unit.
It's far more likely Arai got into bed with Motul and will only approve them as a cleaner. Thats before you get onto their pish sidepod design and failure to recognise any sharp testing on these zones. Still they have had some nice designs.
Taken from here: https://www.shoei-europe.com/news-stories/shoei-vi...
The point mentioned above about UV long term damage is mentioned by Shoei too.
Cleaning
As with the helmet, lukewarm water with some liquid soap should be used for cleaning the visor. The concentration of the soap should not be too strong as it could collect under the plastic parts and damage it.
Visor cleaner
There are special visor cleaners that are often used to clean the entire helmet. Again, you should not use too much of it to avoid damage to the rubber and plastic parts.
Drying
In order to subsequently dry the visor and avoid unwanted streaks, a lint-free, fine microfiber cloth should be used for this purpose.
Scratches
In no case should the visor ‚fast and easy‘ be wiped with the motorcycle glove or other unsuitable or dirty objects! This can lead to scratches especially in the case of coated visors. If a visor has strong scratches, it is recommended to replace it. On the one hand, the aging process is accelerated with scratched visors; on the other hand, scratches also present a safety risk precisely in the field of view. Especially mirrored visors („Spectra“) can scratch with careless treatment and thus create unwanted glare.
Softener
Visors contain so-called softener, which evaporate over the years, which is intensified by frequent use and UV light. As a result, the visor loses its flexibility and, in the event of an accident, it can even collapse and cause severe cuts in the face.
Exchange
The visor should be replaced after five years at the latest. For example you can find the production date of the SHOEI visors on the left side of the visor with a four-digit number string (month, year).
The point mentioned above about UV long term damage is mentioned by Shoei too.
Cleaning
As with the helmet, lukewarm water with some liquid soap should be used for cleaning the visor. The concentration of the soap should not be too strong as it could collect under the plastic parts and damage it.
Visor cleaner
There are special visor cleaners that are often used to clean the entire helmet. Again, you should not use too much of it to avoid damage to the rubber and plastic parts.
Drying
In order to subsequently dry the visor and avoid unwanted streaks, a lint-free, fine microfiber cloth should be used for this purpose.
Scratches
In no case should the visor ‚fast and easy‘ be wiped with the motorcycle glove or other unsuitable or dirty objects! This can lead to scratches especially in the case of coated visors. If a visor has strong scratches, it is recommended to replace it. On the one hand, the aging process is accelerated with scratched visors; on the other hand, scratches also present a safety risk precisely in the field of view. Especially mirrored visors („Spectra“) can scratch with careless treatment and thus create unwanted glare.
Softener
Visors contain so-called softener, which evaporate over the years, which is intensified by frequent use and UV light. As a result, the visor loses its flexibility and, in the event of an accident, it can even collapse and cause severe cuts in the face.
Exchange
The visor should be replaced after five years at the latest. For example you can find the production date of the SHOEI visors on the left side of the visor with a four-digit number string (month, year).
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