Do I need a compo face?
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MightyBadger said:
Antony Moxey said:
Oh shut up you idiot. So you're saying there's not a single thing the server could have done. Not one.
Calm down dearest 
Nobody on the the table told her not to set the hot drinks down, nobody on the table asked her to move the hot drinks. She isn't the childs parent.
Maybe if she had of stayed in bed and not gone to work another waitress would be dealing with exactly the same issue?
This wasn't her fault, lets do a poll.
HAVE! HAVE! have.
vaud said:
JQ said:
No it's not. It's completely predictable that if you place something in arms reach of a toddler they may grab it.
Once you have some experience of them, yes... 
The server could have asked "Where would you like this" and assumed that the space in the middle of the table was apt
The OP could have said "Could you put it by me please"
MightyBadger said:
Antony Moxey said:
As I said above, both sides could have done more to avoid the situation.
No, one side could of done something to prevent this terrible accident.Sounds like you are a blame claimer too.
Put yourself in the server's position and ask yourself what YOU would do.
Would you put scalding liquid in reach of a small child whose parents look distracted? I know I wouldn't in exactly the same way that I wouldn't put a lit candle or a sharp knife in grabbing distance of a small child. If I did and then became aware of it, I'd consider that I'd made a mistake.
In situations like the one the OP describes it is pretty rare that all the responsibility and blame lies squarely in one corner. The real world is more complicated than that, and, given we live in the real world, it's not particularly helpful to pretend otherwise.
ATG said:
You're being properly obtuse and presumptuous.
Put yourself in the server's position and ask yourself what YOU would do.
Would you put scalding liquid in reach of a small child whose parents look distracted? I know I wouldn't in exactly the same way that I wouldn't put a lit candle or a sharp knife in grabbing distance of a small child. If I did and then became aware of it, I'd consider that I'd made a mistake.
In situations like the one the OP describes it is pretty rare that all the responsibility and blame lies squarely in one corner. The real world is more complicated than that, and, given we live in the real world, it's not particularly helpful to pretend otherwise.
If the parents didn't indicate to the waitress they were not ready to accept the hot fluids (area is child safe) or tell the waitress the exact safe spot they wanted them putting then what else was she supposed to do?Put yourself in the server's position and ask yourself what YOU would do.
Would you put scalding liquid in reach of a small child whose parents look distracted? I know I wouldn't in exactly the same way that I wouldn't put a lit candle or a sharp knife in grabbing distance of a small child. If I did and then became aware of it, I'd consider that I'd made a mistake.
In situations like the one the OP describes it is pretty rare that all the responsibility and blame lies squarely in one corner. The real world is more complicated than that, and, given we live in the real world, it's not particularly helpful to pretend otherwise.
The waitress wasn't distracted.
Lets just blame somebody else eh?
Super Sonic said:
JQ said:
No it's not. It's completely predictable that if you place something in arms reach of a toddler they may grab it.
'may'It's completely predictable that a lot of things 'may' happen. It's not quite so predictable what actually will.
vaud said:
Once you have some experience of them, yes...
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I had this with my brother. When our kids were toddlers, if left to their own devices, they would open kitchen cupboards and generally pull on anything they could. Totally normal behaviour. My younger brother, who didn't have children at the time, would roll his eyes and tell me, when he had children, he would "teach them to behave properly". Rightho.... course you will... ...
Then, when he had children, he came to our house one day. We had just had some new furniture and cushions. For some reason, we had to go out, so he said he would stay at our house and supervise his girls ... he gave them some colouring to do....
When we got back, his young girls had moved away from the table where he left them, and they took to colouring in the "stripes" on our new furniture with felt tip pens....
He and his wife were mortified, as you could imagine, but it was a delicious moment, as he realised what an ass he had been previously. And the furniture got cleaning up too, so no long lasting damage. But it was funny.
MightyBadger said:
ATG said:
You're being properly obtuse and presumptuous.
Put yourself in the server's position and ask yourself what YOU would do.
Would you put scalding liquid in reach of a small child whose parents look distracted? I know I wouldn't in exactly the same way that I wouldn't put a lit candle or a sharp knife in grabbing distance of a small child. If I did and then became aware of it, I'd consider that I'd made a mistake.
In situations like the one the OP describes it is pretty rare that all the responsibility and blame lies squarely in one corner. The real world is more complicated than that, and, given we live in the real world, it's not particularly helpful to pretend otherwise.
If the parents didn't indicate to the waitress they were not ready to accept the hot fluids (area is child safe) or tell the waitress the exact safe spot they wanted them putting then what else was she supposed to do?Put yourself in the server's position and ask yourself what YOU would do.
Would you put scalding liquid in reach of a small child whose parents look distracted? I know I wouldn't in exactly the same way that I wouldn't put a lit candle or a sharp knife in grabbing distance of a small child. If I did and then became aware of it, I'd consider that I'd made a mistake.
In situations like the one the OP describes it is pretty rare that all the responsibility and blame lies squarely in one corner. The real world is more complicated than that, and, given we live in the real world, it's not particularly helpful to pretend otherwise.
Lets just blame somebody else eh?
What would YOU have done?
Here's what I would have done and what I'd expect any reasonable person to have done. I'd have tried to judge if the parents were paying attention BEFORE I put the teapots down. If they looked distracted, I'd have ASKED them if they'd like me to put the teapots down to draw their attention to what was about to happen.
And because you seem to be struggling to interpret simple English, note that I'm not "just blaming someone else".
ATG said:
MightyBadger said:
ATG said:
You're being properly obtuse and presumptuous.
Put yourself in the server's position and ask yourself what YOU would do.
Would you put scalding liquid in reach of a small child whose parents look distracted? I know I wouldn't in exactly the same way that I wouldn't put a lit candle or a sharp knife in grabbing distance of a small child. If I did and then became aware of it, I'd consider that I'd made a mistake.
In situations like the one the OP describes it is pretty rare that all the responsibility and blame lies squarely in one corner. The real world is more complicated than that, and, given we live in the real world, it's not particularly helpful to pretend otherwise.
If the parents didn't indicate to the waitress they were not ready to accept the hot fluids (area is child safe) or tell the waitress the exact safe spot they wanted them putting then what else was she supposed to do?Put yourself in the server's position and ask yourself what YOU would do.
Would you put scalding liquid in reach of a small child whose parents look distracted? I know I wouldn't in exactly the same way that I wouldn't put a lit candle or a sharp knife in grabbing distance of a small child. If I did and then became aware of it, I'd consider that I'd made a mistake.
In situations like the one the OP describes it is pretty rare that all the responsibility and blame lies squarely in one corner. The real world is more complicated than that, and, given we live in the real world, it's not particularly helpful to pretend otherwise.
Lets just blame somebody else eh?
What would YOU have done?
Here's what I would have done and what I'd expect any reasonable person to have done. I'd have tried to judge if the parents were paying attention BEFORE I put the teapots down. If they looked distracted, I'd have ASKED them if they'd like me to put the teapots down to draw their attention to what was about to happen.
And because you seem to be struggling to interpret simple English, note that I'm not "just blaming someone else".
MightyBadger said:
JQ said:
No it's not. It's completely predictable that if you place something in arms reach of a toddler they may grab it.
Who is more likely to know the toddlers reach, the waitress or the parent?ATG said:
How about answering the question?
What would YOU have done?
Here's what I would have done and what I'd expect any reasonable person to have done. I'd have tried to judge if the parents were paying attention BEFORE I put the teapots down. If they looked distracted, I'd have ASKED them if they'd like me to put the teapots down to draw their attention to what was about to happen.
And because you seem to be struggling to interpret simple English, note that I'm not "just blaming someone else".
I have no experience of that industry and have had no training so asking me what I would do is silly. What would YOU have done?
Here's what I would have done and what I'd expect any reasonable person to have done. I'd have tried to judge if the parents were paying attention BEFORE I put the teapots down. If they looked distracted, I'd have ASKED them if they'd like me to put the teapots down to draw their attention to what was about to happen.
And because you seem to be struggling to interpret simple English, note that I'm not "just blaming someone else".
Why dont you ask the parents what they could have done better?
Edited by MightyBadger on Wednesday 1st May 15:51
MightyBadger said:
ATG said:
How about answering the question?
What would YOU have done?
Here's what I would have done and what I'd expect any reasonable person to have done. I'd have tried to judge if the parents were paying attention BEFORE I put the teapots down. If they looked distracted, I'd have ASKED them if they'd like me to put the teapots down to draw their attention to what was about to happen.
And because you seem to be struggling to interpret simple English, note that I'm not "just blaming someone else".
I have no experience of that industry and have had no training so asking me what I would do is silly. What would YOU have done?
Here's what I would have done and what I'd expect any reasonable person to have done. I'd have tried to judge if the parents were paying attention BEFORE I put the teapots down. If they looked distracted, I'd have ASKED them if they'd like me to put the teapots down to draw their attention to what was about to happen.
And because you seem to be struggling to interpret simple English, note that I'm not "just blaming someone else".
Why dont you ask the parents what they could have done better?
Edited by MightyBadger on Wednesday 1st May 15:51
Don't trust this man with a blunt spoon. He hasn't received training.
Where there's blame there's a claim...jeez
Chapeau for op coming back and hope the parents recover along with the child, but people often look to blame others to assuage there own guilt.
I don't blame the op as much as some have but it certainly wasn't morrisons fault. It was a terrible accident. No blame No claim. How long does it take to put a couple of books away? Yes kids move fast but still...
My issue is the money grabbing nature and attitude of the posts. Somewhat bile inducing but reflects many peoples selfishness now.
Again I hope a full recovery is made physically and mentally.
Chapeau for op coming back and hope the parents recover along with the child, but people often look to blame others to assuage there own guilt.
I don't blame the op as much as some have but it certainly wasn't morrisons fault. It was a terrible accident. No blame No claim. How long does it take to put a couple of books away? Yes kids move fast but still...
My issue is the money grabbing nature and attitude of the posts. Somewhat bile inducing but reflects many peoples selfishness now.
Again I hope a full recovery is made physically and mentally.
Edited by theplayingmantis on Wednesday 1st May 16:05
MightyBadger said:
ATG said:
Jesus wept.
Don't trust this man with a blunt spoon. He hasn't received training.
Don't trust this man with a blunt spoon. He hasn't received training.
The dad spotted the waitress making her way to the table, in this time he could HAVE formulated some kind of instruction for her or moved the child from harms way. Thats what I would have done.
JQ said:
And that's why we take precautions against predictable actions that may have a bad outcome, most of the time the bad outcome won't occur, but with adequate precautions it will almost never occur. It's literally why the Health and Safety Executive exist and why staff in supermarkets, restaurants and cafes have health and safety training.
And yet, despite all you have said, this wasn't predicted.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff