The 'Bladerunners' are right
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bhstewie said:
Gigamoons said:
Goes to show how strong people feel about this though.
Odd thing to say.Do you take the same view of IRA or Islamist bombings?
But also thought I’d reply anyway. To be clear, I’ve got no skin in the game on this one so looking in as an observer.
What’s clear to me is how highly divisive this policy is. Ideologically everyone wants cleaner air, the issue I see though is that this is a tax on the poor.
I’ll bet most of those who support are not affected - they have a newish car so just vote yes. Or have the financial means to upgrade with a roll of the eyes.
But those who can’t afford a newer car aren’t doing great and now have an additional £12.50/day to contend with. That just adds insult to injury.
So whilst I don’t personally condone acts of terrorism, I do have the empathy to understand why an increasing disaffected % of the population are thinking ‘enough is enough’ and taking action into their own hands.
You can only hold the lid down on a boiling pot for so long before the pressure builds and starts to show itself.
I’m a law abiding chap but there’s an anarchist within us all.
At an humanistic level, if a person feels repressed, abused or exploited deeply enough or for long enough, to the point they don’t feel they have anything to lose or decide the punishment is a lesser consequence to the injustice they feel subjected to, you can’t really be surprised when they go full Rambo-mode. When they find likeminded souls, the feelings get multiplied.
foxbody-87 said:
I have noticed a lot of videos on YouTube now depicting security staff posted at the ULEZ vans. In addition to the cameras getting chopped down etc this must all be incredibly expensive? Or is it still paying for itself?
Khan will empty the coffers before he swallows his pride.Presumably Londoners will get to see his spending habits at the financial y/e
Bo_apex said:
foxbody-87 said:
I have noticed a lot of videos on YouTube now depicting security staff posted at the ULEZ vans. In addition to the cameras getting chopped down etc this must all be incredibly expensive? Or is it still paying for itself?
Khan will empty the coffers before he swallows his pride.Presumably Londoners will get to see his spending habits at the financial y/e
It is the fault of those providing security and not the fault of those causing the need for the security?
Tell me, if I spend a lot of money on home security because there have been a spate of local burglaries, it's not in any way as a result of the criminals themselves?
oyster said:
Sorry can you clarify?
It is the fault of those providing security and not the fault of those causing the need for the security?
Tell me, if I spend a lot of money on home security because there have been a spate of local burglaries, it's not in any way as a result of the criminals themselves?
By and large no, it's a result of the police enabling the burglars to operate unmolested. It is the fault of those providing security and not the fault of those causing the need for the security?
Tell me, if I spend a lot of money on home security because there have been a spate of local burglaries, it's not in any way as a result of the criminals themselves?
GiantEnemyCrab said:
I don't really see what a minimum wage security guard would do against the people against the ULEZ. They aren't going to risk a leathering for that money.
Are people really going to give others "a leathering" over something like this? That's a genuine question because it does take it up a big notch if they get caught. If they are already crims it might not be such a big deal but if they don't currently have a record it is. Randy Winkman said:
GiantEnemyCrab said:
I don't really see what a minimum wage security guard would do against the people against the ULEZ. They aren't going to risk a leathering for that money.
Are people really going to give others "a leathering" over something like this? That's a genuine question because it does take it up a big notch if they get caught. If they are already crims it might not be such a big deal but if they don't currently have a record it is. Whether the bombers are the same general group as people cutting them down, who knows... no arrests so far, so presumably the police don't have any immediate leads, but I'd be surprised if they don't catch them eventually.
oyster said:
Bo_apex said:
foxbody-87 said:
I have noticed a lot of videos on YouTube now depicting security staff posted at the ULEZ vans. In addition to the cameras getting chopped down etc this must all be incredibly expensive? Or is it still paying for itself?
Khan will empty the coffers before he swallows his pride.Presumably Londoners will get to see his spending habits at the financial y/e
It is the fault of those providing security and not the fault of those causing the need for the security?
Tell me, if I spend a lot of money on home security because there have been a spate of local burglaries, it's not in any way as a result of the criminals themselves?
How much is his ProjectDetroit costing Londoners ?
Khan ignores protestors especially the poor, and creates a virtual Police state. He's a classy thinker and not a blunt tool whatsover.
Bo_apex said:
Racking up extra security costs is the choice of Khan.
How much is his ProjectDetroit costing Londoners ?
Khan ignores protestors especially the poor, and creates a virtual Police state. He's a classy thinker and not a blunt tool whatsover.
As a London council tax payer I think it's the vandals that are costing me money. And I don't even agree with the ULEZ extension. How much is his ProjectDetroit costing Londoners ?
Khan ignores protestors especially the poor, and creates a virtual Police state. He's a classy thinker and not a blunt tool whatsover.
SlimJim16v said:
First person sentenced, for painting a camera, 100 hours community service.
The vans have been suspended, either because not legal, or the security don't have the required qualifications.
From what I read there's a question over whether the deployed security guards need to display an SIA licence. Obviously a minimum-wage guard doesn't want their name visible because they don't want their family to be bombed/set on fire/shot etc by the loons.The vans have been suspended, either because not legal, or the security don't have the required qualifications.
Gareth79 said:
SlimJim16v said:
First person sentenced, for painting a camera, 100 hours community service.
The vans have been suspended, either because not legal, or the security don't have the required qualifications.
From what I read there's a question over whether the deployed security guards need to display an SIA licence. Obviously a minimum-wage guard doesn't want their name visible because they don't want their family to be bombed/set on fire/shot etc by the loons.The vans have been suspended, either because not legal, or the security don't have the required qualifications.
I was a bit late with the news about the vans, it was a week ago and they're back out again.
Probably more TfL bullst, but they supposedly didn't need to display an SIA badge as they were close protection. I did read that most didn't have the relevant CP qualification, but I didn't know there was any required qualification for that.
Probably more TfL bullst, but they supposedly didn't need to display an SIA badge as they were close protection. I did read that most didn't have the relevant CP qualification, but I didn't know there was any required qualification for that.
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