The 'Bladerunners' are right

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NerveAgent

3,339 posts

221 months

Sunday 10th December 2023
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ZedLeg said:
Nothing says real true story like all caps.
hehe

It’s amazing what people fall for (and think their caveat counters their gullibility)

Gigamoons

17,754 posts

201 months

Sunday 10th December 2023
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bhstewie said:
Gigamoons said:
Goes to show how strong people feel about this though.
Odd thing to say.

Do you take the same view of IRA or Islamist bombings?
Saw your apology further down, thanks smile
But also thought I’d reply anyway. To be clear, I’ve got no skin in the game on this one so looking in as an observer.

What’s clear to me is how highly divisive this policy is. Ideologically everyone wants cleaner air, the issue I see though is that this is a tax on the poor.

I’ll bet most of those who support are not affected - they have a newish car so just vote yes. Or have the financial means to upgrade with a roll of the eyes.

But those who can’t afford a newer car aren’t doing great and now have an additional £12.50/day to contend with. That just adds insult to injury.

So whilst I don’t personally condone acts of terrorism, I do have the empathy to understand why an increasing disaffected % of the population are thinking ‘enough is enough’ and taking action into their own hands.

You can only hold the lid down on a boiling pot for so long before the pressure builds and starts to show itself.

I’m a law abiding chap but there’s an anarchist within us all.
At an humanistic level, if a person feels repressed, abused or exploited deeply enough or for long enough, to the point they don’t feel they have anything to lose or decide the punishment is a lesser consequence to the injustice they feel subjected to, you can’t really be surprised when they go full Rambo-mode. When they find likeminded souls, the feelings get multiplied.

markbigears

2,280 posts

270 months

Sunday 10th December 2023
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“When they find likeminded souls, the feelings get multiplied.”

Like the whole area of Biggin Hill. Never seen a single camera operating since the introduction of ULEZ

Bo_apex

2,581 posts

219 months

Monday 11th December 2023
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markbigears said:
“When they find likeminded souls, the feelings get multiplied.”

Like the whole area of Biggin Hill. Never seen a single camera operating since the introduction of ULEZ
A new Battle Of Britain ?


foxbody-87

2,675 posts

167 months

Monday 11th December 2023
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I have noticed a lot of videos on YouTube now depicting security staff posted at the ULEZ vans. In addition to the cameras getting chopped down etc this must all be incredibly expensive? Or is it still paying for itself?

Bo_apex

2,581 posts

219 months

Tuesday 12th December 2023
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foxbody-87 said:
I have noticed a lot of videos on YouTube now depicting security staff posted at the ULEZ vans. In addition to the cameras getting chopped down etc this must all be incredibly expensive? Or is it still paying for itself?
Khan will empty the coffers before he swallows his pride.

Presumably Londoners will get to see his spending habits at the financial y/e

oyster

12,627 posts

249 months

Tuesday 12th December 2023
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Bo_apex said:
foxbody-87 said:
I have noticed a lot of videos on YouTube now depicting security staff posted at the ULEZ vans. In addition to the cameras getting chopped down etc this must all be incredibly expensive? Or is it still paying for itself?
Khan will empty the coffers before he swallows his pride.

Presumably Londoners will get to see his spending habits at the financial y/e
Sorry can you clarify?

It is the fault of those providing security and not the fault of those causing the need for the security?


Tell me, if I spend a lot of money on home security because there have been a spate of local burglaries, it's not in any way as a result of the criminals themselves?

ZedLeg

12,278 posts

109 months

Tuesday 12th December 2023
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Again, why in this situation must the government cave to protestors when in most other instances they shouldn’t?

Is it just the causes you agree with that protest should work for?

Flooble

5,565 posts

101 months

Tuesday 12th December 2023
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oyster said:
Sorry can you clarify?

It is the fault of those providing security and not the fault of those causing the need for the security?


Tell me, if I spend a lot of money on home security because there have been a spate of local burglaries, it's not in any way as a result of the criminals themselves?
By and large no, it's a result of the police enabling the burglars to operate unmolested.

GiantEnemyCrab

7,620 posts

204 months

Tuesday 12th December 2023
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I don't really see what a minimum wage security guard would do against the people against the ULEZ. They aren't going to risk a leathering for that money.

Randy Winkman

16,264 posts

190 months

Tuesday 12th December 2023
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GiantEnemyCrab said:
I don't really see what a minimum wage security guard would do against the people against the ULEZ. They aren't going to risk a leathering for that money.
Are people really going to give others "a leathering" over something like this? That's a genuine question because it does take it up a big notch if they get caught. If they are already crims it might not be such a big deal but if they don't currently have a record it is.

Gareth79

7,715 posts

247 months

Tuesday 12th December 2023
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Randy Winkman said:
GiantEnemyCrab said:
I don't really see what a minimum wage security guard would do against the people against the ULEZ. They aren't going to risk a leathering for that money.
Are people really going to give others "a leathering" over something like this? That's a genuine question because it does take it up a big notch if they get caught. If they are already crims it might not be such a big deal but if they don't currently have a record it is.
The people cutting down cameras are clearly a few sandwiches short of a picnic, but those putting up stuff in front of vans etc. are presumably either a separate group or just people not willing to risk prison, but willing to risk some light hassle from police. The security guards are there to fulfil responsibilities, "jacket fillers" as my bouncer friend calls them.

Whether the bombers are the same general group as people cutting them down, who knows... no arrests so far, so presumably the police don't have any immediate leads, but I'd be surprised if they don't catch them eventually.

SlimJim16v

5,706 posts

144 months

Tuesday 12th December 2023
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GiantEnemyCrab said:
I don't really see what a minimum wage security guard would do against the people against the ULEZ. They aren't going to risk a leathering for that money.
It didn't stop them running over an elderly protester.

Bo_apex

2,581 posts

219 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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oyster said:
Bo_apex said:
foxbody-87 said:
I have noticed a lot of videos on YouTube now depicting security staff posted at the ULEZ vans. In addition to the cameras getting chopped down etc this must all be incredibly expensive? Or is it still paying for itself?
Khan will empty the coffers before he swallows his pride.

Presumably Londoners will get to see his spending habits at the financial y/e
Sorry can you clarify?

It is the fault of those providing security and not the fault of those causing the need for the security?


Tell me, if I spend a lot of money on home security because there have been a spate of local burglaries, it's not in any way as a result of the criminals themselves?
Racking up extra security costs is the choice of Khan.
How much is his ProjectDetroit costing Londoners ?

Khan ignores protestors especially the poor, and creates a virtual Police state. He's a classy thinker and not a blunt tool whatsover.

ZedLeg

12,278 posts

109 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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ZedLeg said:
Again, why in this situation must the government cave to protestors when in most other instances they shouldn’t?

Is it just the causes you agree with that protest should work for?

Randy Winkman

16,264 posts

190 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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Bo_apex said:
Racking up extra security costs is the choice of Khan.
How much is his ProjectDetroit costing Londoners ?

Khan ignores protestors especially the poor, and creates a virtual Police state. He's a classy thinker and not a blunt tool whatsover.
As a London council tax payer I think it's the vandals that are costing me money. And I don't even agree with the ULEZ extension.

SlimJim16v

5,706 posts

144 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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First person sentenced, for painting a camera, 100 hours community service.

The vans have been suspended, either because not legal, or the security don't have the required qualifications.

Gareth79

7,715 posts

247 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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SlimJim16v said:
First person sentenced, for painting a camera, 100 hours community service.

The vans have been suspended, either because not legal, or the security don't have the required qualifications.
From what I read there's a question over whether the deployed security guards need to display an SIA licence. Obviously a minimum-wage guard doesn't want their name visible because they don't want their family to be bombed/set on fire/shot etc by the loons.

CoolHands

18,749 posts

196 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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Gareth79 said:
SlimJim16v said:
First person sentenced, for painting a camera, 100 hours community service.

The vans have been suspended, either because not legal, or the security don't have the required qualifications.
From what I read there's a question over whether the deployed security guards need to display an SIA licence. Obviously a minimum-wage guard doesn't want their name visible because they don't want their family to be bombed/set on fire/shot etc by the loons.
Not following the rules? Hope they get fined.

SlimJim16v

5,706 posts

144 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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I was a bit late with the news about the vans, it was a week ago and they're back out again.

Probably more TfL bullst, but they supposedly didn't need to display an SIA badge as they were close protection. I did read that most didn't have the relevant CP qualification, but I didn't know there was any required qualification for that.