Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 12

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Janluke

2,595 posts

159 months

Tuesday 30th April
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So what's your predictions?

John Swinney elected, kiss and make up with the greens struggle on till the next election?

halo34

2,456 posts

200 months

Tuesday 30th April
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We still have a long way to go and I dont hold out much hope for the % of the population that benefit from SNP policy giving up their stick it to the English mentality switching to another party.

I thought the Greens said they would resign - are they still co-leaders? Seems none of them can say one thing and do that.

reddiesel

1,997 posts

48 months

Tuesday 30th April
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Salmond really is in the Political Wilderness as far as this Alba gig goes if he can’t even have a life belt accepted by a drowning man





Evercross

6,052 posts

65 months

Tuesday 30th April
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Janluke said:
So what's your predictions?

John Swinney elected, kiss and make up with the greens struggle on till the next election?
Nope.

Swinney will serve two purposes as he is entirely expendable.

Firstly he's a palatable face for the pro-union parties to make deals with (the intentions of the past week always being for the SNP to get some clear air between themselves and the Greens Marxists). Sure it'll annoy some of the blue-face-paint mob that he is conniving with 'yoons' or, even worse, 'toarees' but that doesn't matter because part two of the plan is that he takes the hit at the General Election then vacates the leadership in order for the proper contender for Holyrood to take over.

For once I think there is someone in the SNP actually engaging their brain and thinking ahead. My now prescient prediction was that whoever takes over needs to get the party and the independence voters away from the idea that the SNP are wedded to the Greens Marxists because it severely narrows the Nat's options/attractiveness when trying to run/partake in a minority government.

Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 30th April 10:15

Evercross

6,052 posts

65 months

Tuesday 30th April
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reddiesel said:
Salmond really is in the Political Wilderness as far as this Alba gig goes if he can’t even have a life belt accepted by a drowning man.
There was at least one person holding Humza's head under the water though...

reddiesel

1,997 posts

48 months

Tuesday 30th April
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I honestly never thought otherwise , I’m just astounded Alex evidently did

irc

7,375 posts

137 months

Tuesday 30th April
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reddiesel said:
irc said:
Absolutely this. It's a cult. Where else would there be absolutely no leaks about a leader who liked a sleepy cuddle with female staffers?

Wheesht for indy.
Labour Party , Harold Wilson . Ask me another lol
Not on the same scale. At least 11 women knew of Salmons. I don't believe for a second that none of those women told anyone else until after indyref. There must have been several dozen people at least who knew what was going on and as far as I can see not a single one leaked it anywhere outside the party and the inner group of civil servants.

Don't forget get the keep it quiet culture was so common it got its own name. Wheesht for indy.

Roderick Spode

3,139 posts

50 months

Tuesday 30th April
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irc said:
There must have been several dozen people at least who knew what was going on and as far as I can see not a single one leaked it anywhere outside the party and the inner group of civil servants.
scratchchin

Amazing innit. Almost like a carefully orchestrated scheme by a close knit group of people, with a vested interest to see him silenced and defenestrated by depriving him of his liberty.

scratchchin

XCP

16,950 posts

229 months

Tuesday 30th April
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Secrets and injunctions regarding goings on seem to be par for the course.

Ian974

2,949 posts

200 months

Tuesday 30th April
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I'm not sure we'll see the SNP and Scottish greens back together as it sounds like the greens have been having just as much internal issues as the SNP have been.
And weren't they removed as there was the likely threat of them leaving the agreement anyway?
The political one-upmanship with Westminster was most obvious through COVID, but has bizarrely continued through to the party political infighting as well!
The SNP are disagreeing with the SNP and greens, while the greens are disagreeing with the greens and the SNP hehe

Evercross

6,052 posts

65 months

Tuesday 30th April
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Ian974 said:
I'm not sure we'll see the SNP and Scottish greens back together as it sounds like the greens have been having just as much internal issues as the SNP have been.
And weren't they removed as there was the likely threat of them leaving the agreement anyway?
The political one-upmanship with Westminster was most obvious through COVID, but has bizarrely continued through to the party political infighting as well!
The SNP are disagreeing with the SNP and greens, while the greens are disagreeing with the greens and the SNP hehe
That internecine warfare that we in here predicted many, many moons ago.

It is now pretty obvious that the Greens Marxists were never truly wed to the idea of independence and instead were using it as a hobby-horse to power. Slater was never even truly interested in environmentalism either, and Harvie is just a self important narcissist.

It is a real shame though that our one professed "Green" isn't here to try and spin this, but then he aligned himself with aloof hypocrites because he was one himself.

Now I think of it, his ejection from PH was the true portent of things to come!!

scratchchin

reddiesel

1,997 posts

48 months

Tuesday 30th April
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For me the Greens in the UK at least are associated with the image of sandal wearing eccentrics that few working men take seriously . Like the Lib Dem’s they would willingly jump into any Political Allegiance that would lend them some gravitas . Opportunists .

emicen

8,601 posts

219 months

Tuesday 30th April
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reddiesel said:
For me the Greens in the UK at least are associated with the image of sandal wearing eccentrics that few working men take seriously . Like the Lib Dem’s they would willingly jump into any Political Allegiance that would lend them some gravitas . Opportunists .
The UK Greens are a very different concept compared to Scottish Greens.

I think a great number of their list votes come from well meaning boomers thinking by giving them their list vote they can appease their conscience on the environment.

reddiesel

1,997 posts

48 months

Tuesday 30th April
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I’m not a Nationalist though I wished the project well on the basis that my fellow Scots far from stupid would soon see the reality especially if it wasn’t beneficial .
It annoys me to see the likes of Starmer gloating and rubbing his hands for Labour will do nothing for Scotland and never have done in my lifetime

Evercross

6,052 posts

65 months

Tuesday 30th April
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emicen said:
The UK Greens are a very different concept compared to Scottish Greens.

I think a great number of their list votes come from well meaning boomers thinking by giving them their list vote they can appease their conscience on the environment.
I've mentioned this many times. The UK (and International association of) Green Parties are formally dissociated from what calls itself the "Scottish Green Party" (which is why I refuse to refer to it as such).

The Scottish contingent claimed it was their decision, but, in a style similar to the playground nonsense of the last week, it was a case of Harvie and Slater choosing to jump before they were ejected.

anonymoususer

5,884 posts

49 months

Tuesday 30th April
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I think Mr Sweeney would be a bad choice
He looks too much like Peter Murrell to me. Confusion may cost him credibility and a bald leader never really works out well.

Roderick Spode

3,139 posts

50 months

Tuesday 30th April
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anonymoususer said:
Confusion may cost him credibility and a bald leader never really works out well.
Careful, that could be a hate crime - is being folically challenged a protected characteristic?

Anyway, as our present-but-soon-to-be-departing First Minister sported a full head of hair & a lustrous beard, and was a complete disaster, and the previous First Minister sported a Lego helmet beautifully coiffured barnet during Covid that was definitely done at home by Narnia Pete and not by a stylist at all full head of hair and was married to a beard, I'm not sure hirsuiteness is a good indicator of leadership skills either.

ScotHill

3,198 posts

110 months

Tuesday 30th April
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Evercross said:
Now I think of it, his ejection from PH was the true portent of things to come!!
I missed that, what was that for? He always seemed fairly reasonable in his arguments, if very tenacious.

sherman

13,402 posts

216 months

Tuesday 30th April
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ScotHill said:
Evercross said:
Now I think of it, his ejection from PH was the true portent of things to come!!
I missed that, what was that for? He always seemed fairly reasonable in his arguments, if very tenacious.
Suprisingly his white supremacist neo nazi views.
Who would of thought from sa progressive green.

Scrump

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22,128 posts

159 months

Tuesday 30th April
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sherman said:
Suprisingly his white supremacist neo nazi views.
Who would of thought from sa progressive green.
Not quite, his accusations that others held such views.