Are you voting in the locals?

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SpidersWeb

3,675 posts

174 months

Wednesday 1st May
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PurpleTurtle said:
In most constituencies a vote for the Reform party will be a wasted vote.
Not that I support Reform in any way whatsoever, but you could argue that is the case when voting for any party that isn't going to win.

Should all those whose preferred party isn't going to win in their constituency simply stay home?

FMOB

963 posts

13 months

Wednesday 1st May
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I used to vote regularly, felt it was important, now I think the current crop of politicians are so lightweight, insincere and generally useless they aren't worth voting for.

The fact turnout is so low just confirms the above so what do they about it, ignore it so they can get their snouts in the trough.

Time is better spent earning a crust.

captain_cynic

12,121 posts

96 months

Wednesday 1st May
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SpidersWeb said:
PurpleTurtle said:
In most constituencies a vote for the Reform party will be a wasted vote.
Not that I support Reform in any way whatsoever, but you could argue that is the case when voting for any party that isn't going to win.

Should all those whose preferred party isn't going to win in their constituency simply stay home?
The local elections are one of the few places where UKIP used to get anywhere. A few local councillors here and there, occasionally enough to hold the council to ransom.

I hope Purple Turtle is right and reform get nowhere, but one of the reasons I'm considering taking time out of my Thursday to vote is because the electorate I'm in used to be a conservative/UKIP stronghold but the boundaries were redrawn (mainly because the population has increased in the area.

If I don't at least take the minimal effort to effect change by voting, I can't really complain.

brake fader

272 posts

36 months

Wednesday 1st May
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SpidersWeb said:
PurpleTurtle said:
In most constituencies a vote for the Reform party will be a wasted vote.
Not that I support Reform in any way whatsoever, but you could argue that is the case when voting for any party that isn't going to win.

Should all those whose preferred party isn't going to win in their constituency simply stay home?
as all votes these days are a total waste of time , i will be voting reform to waste mine.

Gecko1978

9,766 posts

158 months

Wednesday 1st May
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No. I don't support the Tory's post their regressive attacks on the self employed. I have never voted Labour and despite the liberals having a Golden opportunity to tell us they are different they have done F all. So no I won't waste my time

toasty

7,501 posts

221 months

Wednesday 1st May
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It’s utterly pointless voting where I live, the RA will win as they always do, same as the Conservatives in general elections.

If you really want to make a difference then become a councillor or politician.

Silvanus

5,312 posts

24 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Type R Tom said:
We only have a police commissioner locally, so I may stop by after taking my daughter to the nursery, but there have been no materials or info on candidates, so I will be guessing.
Same here. The fact my wife is currently in hospital and I've no clue regarding who to vote for, I'd either have to guess, pick my favourite colour, or spoil it. I've decided to spend the evening with my daughter. I must be a dim-witted societal parasite, oh well.

Cotty

39,633 posts

285 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Greater London here. Im going to vote against Sadiq Khan, probably won't do anything but can't really complain if I don't vote.

snuffy

9,845 posts

285 months

Wednesday 1st May
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captain_cynic said:
They're both discarded and make no difference.

Also ticking all the boxes isn't a special code. It makes no difference to someone who writes "wk" on the paper. Both are counted as "rejected at the count".

Feel free to do it but as your teacher would have told you, it's your own time your wasting. I can't see the point in it, voting isn't mandatory here and thank fk for that. I can stay home if I so choose.
All of this is correct.

On the subject of not voting/making it compulsory:

MPs are not compelled to vote in the HoC; and often they choose not to. It's called abstaining.

And no one objects to that. But when a citizen equally exercises their right to abstain, some people think that's some kind of afront to democracy.

matrignano

4,398 posts

211 months

Wednesday 1st May
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I’ve voted by post but was surprised at how little campaigning I’ve seen anywhere.

I’ve received maybe two leaflets in the post, haven’t seen any posters out and about, and haven’t come across any adverts on social media. Nothing from the local Council either.
I don’t watch live TV or listen to radio.

Makes picking candidates a lot like guesswork…

ETA I live in central London and not in the sticks BTW!

Edited by matrignano on Wednesday 1st May 18:19

BoRED S2upid

19,729 posts

241 months

Wednesday 1st May
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I’m voting green because I’m sick of blue and red.

Slow.Patrol

526 posts

15 months

Wednesday 1st May
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PurpleTurtle said:
In most constituencies a vote for the Reform party will be a wasted vote.
Rather than not bother, I occasionally vote for the underdog so they have a chance if getting their deposit back.

Local elections, it is always the independent guy.

richhead

951 posts

12 months

Wednesday 1st May
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seems alot of you are mixing local elections with general elections, in a local vote for the best to look after your area regardless of party, in general vote for who you think will lead the country best.
The two arent always the same

Gordon Hill

886 posts

16 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Neither party brings absolutely nothing to the table. Self serving rats who only care about their own agendas. My late father used to say that the biggest criminals in the country aren't in jail, they're all in Whitehall.
And people wonder why they don't bother turning up to vote.

abzmike

8,460 posts

107 months

Thursday 2nd May
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If you are intending to vote tomorrow, be better than Tory MP Tom Hunt, who seems to not be in possession of valid photo ID. Quite how a sitting MP doesn’t even have an expired passport is surprising.

Riley Blue

21,023 posts

227 months

Thursday 2nd May
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For the first time in my voting life I won't be voting.

We have elections for a Mayor for the East Midlands and for a Police and Crime Commissioner. Only two of the six mayoral candidates have sent information about themselves, none of the others. As no one has convinced me of the benefits of having a regional mayor and the PCC candidates are complete unknowns, not one of them deserves my vote.

If the candidates can't be arsed, how can they expect the electorate to be?

PurpleTurtle

7,041 posts

145 months

Thursday 2nd May
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Irrespective of party politics, can anyone tell me a tangible benefit of having a Police and Crime Commissioner?

What powers do they have and what do they actually achieve?

It seems to be a total non-job to me, but I'm happy to be enlightened.

Sheets Tabuer

19,058 posts

216 months

Thursday 2nd May
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PurpleTurtle said:
Irrespective of party politics, can anyone tell me a tangible benefit of having a Police and Crime Commissioner?

What powers do they have and what do they actually achieve?

It seems to be a total non-job to me, but I'm happy to be enlightened.
They tell the meeting they are invited to once a week they'd like to see a reduction in crime.

Also use up the salary of a couple of extra PCs

wildoliver

8,797 posts

217 months

Friday 3rd May
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Sheets Tabuer said:
PurpleTurtle said:
Irrespective of party politics, can anyone tell me a tangible benefit of having a Police and Crime Commissioner?

What powers do they have and what do they actually achieve?

It seems to be a total non-job to me, but I'm happy to be enlightened.
They tell the meeting they are invited to once a week they'd like to see a reduction in crime.

Also use up the salary of a couple of extra PCs
Like most government jobs it sounds great when someone initially thinks of it, but the reality is it's a waste of money. We should be minimising government not maximising it, before you know it everyone in the country will hold a ridiculous position, I will no doubt be executive waste manager of xx A street, my town. Responsibilities involve the accurate grading of recycling and transportation of recycling and waste to a council approved pick up point in official receptacles every week.

The devolution of local councils we are seeing at the moment will be the same. More bloat, more duplication and no tangible benefit for anyone. Won't reduce staff at central government, will increase staff at local level with the added benefit of jobs being duplicated across councils, maybe the next step forward will be for each area to go to their own currency that you need to exchange when you cross the border.

The wastage of money has to be on purpose doesn't it? No one could be this inept? It seems governments main objectives now are to get through their terms without anyone realising taxes only ever go up steadily, national debt isn't really going down and never will, spending on useful projects we would benefit from seems to be off the table, but spending on nonsense seems to be the magic key to maintaining the status quo.

FMOB

963 posts

13 months

Friday 3rd May
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wildoliver said:
Sheets Tabuer said:
PurpleTurtle said:
Irrespective of party politics, can anyone tell me a tangible benefit of having a Police and Crime Commissioner?

What powers do they have and what do they actually achieve?

It seems to be a total non-job to me, but I'm happy to be enlightened.
They tell the meeting they are invited to once a week they'd like to see a reduction in crime.

Also use up the salary of a couple of extra PCs
Like most government jobs it sounds great when someone initially thinks of it, but the reality is it's a waste of money. We should be minimising government not maximising it, before you know it everyone in the country will hold a ridiculous position, I will no doubt be executive waste manager of xx A street, my town. Responsibilities involve the accurate grading of recycling and transportation of recycling and waste to a council approved pick up point in official receptacles every week.

The devolution of local councils we are seeing at the moment will be the same. More bloat, more duplication and no tangible benefit for anyone. Won't reduce staff at central government, will increase staff at local level with the added benefit of jobs being duplicated across councils, maybe the next step forward will be for each area to go to their own currency that you need to exchange when you cross the border.

The wastage of money has to be on purpose doesn't it? No one could be this inept? It seems governments main objectives now are to get through their terms without anyone realising taxes only ever go up steadily, national debt isn't really going down and never will, spending on useful projects we would benefit from seems to be off the table, but spending on nonsense seems to be the magic key to maintaining the status quo.
I understood they were put there to hold the relevant constabulary to local public account, I cannot recall who used to do this before the PCC's were thought of but the question should be, are they doing a better job than the previous regime?

Just getting rid of them based on cost alone is just following doctrine (as in knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing), if they aren't working then changes should be made, from the way they work through to getting rid if there is an alternative.