Adrian Newey to Ferrari? Is it possible?

Adrian Newey to Ferrari? Is it possible?

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PhilAsia

3,892 posts

76 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Gary C said:
alisdairm said:
I'm quite new to current F1 racing. Re-started watching in 2020.

If Adrian Newey is so awesome at car design, why were Mercedes mopping up everything in prior to 2021?

Was he not involved in the Reb Bull car design prior to that?
Simple

the engine.
Not true. MB also had great aero. So great, the powers that be decided to take a hacksaw to it in 2021, after they saw a pink car suddenly jump up the grid in 2020, having copied the MB aero wholesale - IIRC.

GlobalRacer

251 posts

14 months

Wednesday 1st May
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PhilAsia said:
Not true. MB also had great aero. So great, the powers that be decided to take a hacksaw to it in 2021, after they saw a pink car suddenly jump up the grid after copying MB aero wholesale - IIRC.
After giving MB a far longer period of domination than other teams got before rules were specifically changed to stop them.

PhilAsia

3,892 posts

76 months

Wednesday 1st May
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GlobalRacer said:
PhilAsia said:
Not true. MB also had great aero. So great, the powers that be decided to take a hacksaw to it in 2021, after they saw a pink car suddenly jump up the grid after copying MB aero wholesale - IIRC.
After giving MB a far longer period of domination than other teams got before rules were specifically changed to stop them.
As Horner said: "everyone should build a faster car" smile

Deesee

8,478 posts

84 months

Wednesday 1st May
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PhilAsia said:
Not true. MB also had great aero. So great, the powers that be decided to take a hacksaw to it in 2021,
Hacksaw, then followed by a hobble, a DQ & Human error in what is frankly a hatchet job.

TheDeuce

22,019 posts

67 months

Wednesday 1st May
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GlobalRacer said:
PhilAsia said:
Not true. MB also had great aero. So great, the powers that be decided to take a hacksaw to it in 2021, after they saw a pink car suddenly jump up the grid after copying MB aero wholesale - IIRC.
After giving MB a far longer period of domination than other teams got before rules were specifically changed to stop them.
Technically they started to target merc in 2019, introducing the party mode ban for the 2020 season - which was always going to hurt Merc the most, as they seemed to be able to push their PU harder in quali with no significant loss of reliability in the race. So in a sense that was an example of them benefitting by having the best PU, and then having that benefit nullified to an extent.

But also the cleverness didn't stop with just a great PU. Their aero was fantastic, as was their trick rear suspension. And, hilariously, despite being expected to suffer in 2020 due to losing their 'party mode', they came up with DAS and helped themselves to an entirely new advantage.

There are/were some very creative thinkers in the team. I guess there is still plenty of brains in the team since they also came up with the zero sidepod concept which they just couldn't get to work out of the box and also couldn't fix in the cost cap era - but obviously it was fundamentally a great idea, Newey thought so when he nabbed it and managed to get a similar design working with amazing results.

Who knows how much talent has quietly left Merc in the last year or so, I'm sure some have been enticed away - but apparently it's a great team to work at so I hope a lot has remained and are working hard on thinking of an approach for their 2026 car.. It would be great to see them up there with Ferrari in the near future.


Jasandjules

69,994 posts

230 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.

paulguitar

23,736 posts

114 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.
It would indeed be fairytale stuff. I think honestly it's a long shot though. Even if Newey does go to Ferrari, no miracles will happen straight away, and Lewis does not have time on his side.



Sandpit Steve

10,234 posts

75 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.
Indeed. As @Deesee above commented, deliver a pair of goats to the factory in Maranello. What an end to both of their careers, if it comes off.

It was less than 18 months ago, that we all thought Fred Vasseur was an average choice to come to Ferrari, after a longstanding average job at Sauber. With hindsight, John Elkann did very well to hire him.

Kart16

385 posts

9 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Sandpit Steve said:
Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.
Indeed. As @Deesee above commented, deliver a pair of goats to the factory in Maranello. What an end to both of their careers, if it comes off.

It was less than 18 months ago, that we all thought Fred Vasseur was an average choice to come to Ferrari, after a longstanding average job at Sauber. With hindsight, John Elkann did very well to hire him.
Better yet will be Leclerc becoming world champion. rotate

geeks

9,213 posts

140 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.
Errr doesnt he need to get his 8th first?

Deesee

8,478 posts

84 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Sandpit Steve said:
Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.
Indeed. As @Deesee above commented, deliver a pair of goats to the factory in Maranello. What an end to both of their careers, if it comes off.

It was less than 18 months ago, that we all thought Fred Vasseur was an average choice to come to Ferrari, after a longstanding average job at Sauber. With hindsight, John Elkann did very well to hire him.
And my post has gone weellll under the radar… lol.

Muzzer79

10,143 posts

188 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Sandpit Steve said:
Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.
Indeed. As @Deesee above commented, deliver a pair of goats to the factory in Maranello. What an end to both of their careers, if it comes off.

It was less than 18 months ago, that we all thought Fred Vasseur was an average choice to come to Ferrari, after a longstanding average job at Sauber. With hindsight, John Elkann did very well to hire him.
Call me an old cynic, but I think that if Newey does go to Ferrari (and it's a big if) then the Hamilton/Newey combo for 2025 will - in my eyes - be a credit to Elkann himself, rather than Vasseur.

Fred's a decent guy and has good connections, but it seems clear to me who is really making things happen.

Kart16

385 posts

9 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Muzzer79 said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.
Indeed. As @Deesee above commented, deliver a pair of goats to the factory in Maranello. What an end to both of their careers, if it comes off.

It was less than 18 months ago, that we all thought Fred Vasseur was an average choice to come to Ferrari, after a longstanding average job at Sauber. With hindsight, John Elkann did very well to hire him.
Call me an old cynic, but I think that if Newey does go to Ferrari (and it's a big if) then the Hamilton/Newey combo for 2025 will - in my eyes - be a credit to Elkann himself, rather than Vasseur.

Fred's a decent guy and has good connections, but it seems clear to me who is really making things happen.
Not sure about that. Elkann has very little knowledge about racing and other than appearing at a few GPs, I don't think he closely follow the drivers. I listened to some of his interviews throughout the years and he rarely touches the subject of racing, limiting himself about metioning the historical importance of the Scuderia. Frédéric Vasseur, on the other hand, is a race guy thru and thru. Engineer, founder of one of the most successful GP2/F3 teams (ART GP), founder of the company that produces the F-E cars, Hamilton's chief during GP2, etc.

To me it seems Elkann is just following and accepting Vasseur's directions.

Edited by Kart16 on Wednesday 1st May 17:13

vaud

50,741 posts

156 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Kart16 said:
To me it seems Elkann is just following and accepting Vasseur's directions.
I think he must follow it to some extent, given he persuaded the board to commit to what $500m+ in investment. He'd need some belief in the content to do that.

epom

11,615 posts

162 months

Wednesday 1st May
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geeks said:
Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.
Errr doesnt he need to get his 8th first?
Some flat earthers still believe he has 8

TheDeuce

22,019 posts

67 months

Wednesday 1st May
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epom said:
Some flat earthers still believe he has 8
It's easy to confuse people if they've read the rules and thought the rules might be followed smile

Stupid rules!

geeks

9,213 posts

140 months

Wednesday 1st May
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epom said:
geeks said:
Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.
Errr doesnt he need to get his 8th first?
Some flat earthers still believe he has 8
Yeesh I had no idea people were still hanging onto it that tightly!

Sandpit Steve

10,234 posts

75 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Muzzer79 said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.
Indeed. As @Deesee above commented, deliver a pair of goats to the factory in Maranello. What an end to both of their careers, if it comes off.

It was less than 18 months ago, that we all thought Fred Vasseur was an average choice to come to Ferrari, after a longstanding average job at Sauber. With hindsight, John Elkann did very well to hire him.
Call me an old cynic, but I think that if Newey does go to Ferrari (and it's a big if) then the Hamilton/Newey combo for 2025 will - in my eyes - be a credit to Elkann himself, rather than Vasseur.

Fred's a decent guy and has good connections, but it seems clear to me who is really making things happen.
I think there’s credit to both of them, for putting up the cash and knowing the people to hire, respectively. The cost cap rules make it easier to hire two goats, than a hundred fawns as they used to.

They had to be both fully committed to the project, to actually want to start winning again and go about it in 2024 style.

HardtopManual

2,446 posts

167 months

Wednesday 1st May
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geeks said:
Yeesh I had no idea people were still hanging onto it that tightly!
I think it's more a "funny 'cause it's true" joke than a refusal to accept reality.

732NM

4,728 posts

16 months

Wednesday 1st May
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geeks said:
epom said:
geeks said:
Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.
Errr doesnt he need to get his 8th first?
Some flat earthers still believe he has 8
Yeesh I had no idea people were still hanging onto it that tightly!
He would be on 9 without some very dodgy events.