Adrian Newey to Ferrari? Is it possible?
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Gary C said:
alisdairm said:
I'm quite new to current F1 racing. Re-started watching in 2020.
If Adrian Newey is so awesome at car design, why were Mercedes mopping up everything in prior to 2021?
Was he not involved in the Reb Bull car design prior to that?
SimpleIf Adrian Newey is so awesome at car design, why were Mercedes mopping up everything in prior to 2021?
Was he not involved in the Reb Bull car design prior to that?
the engine.
PhilAsia said:
Not true. MB also had great aero. So great, the powers that be decided to take a hacksaw to it in 2021, after they saw a pink car suddenly jump up the grid after copying MB aero wholesale - IIRC.
After giving MB a far longer period of domination than other teams got before rules were specifically changed to stop them.GlobalRacer said:
PhilAsia said:
Not true. MB also had great aero. So great, the powers that be decided to take a hacksaw to it in 2021, after they saw a pink car suddenly jump up the grid after copying MB aero wholesale - IIRC.
After giving MB a far longer period of domination than other teams got before rules were specifically changed to stop them.GlobalRacer said:
PhilAsia said:
Not true. MB also had great aero. So great, the powers that be decided to take a hacksaw to it in 2021, after they saw a pink car suddenly jump up the grid after copying MB aero wholesale - IIRC.
After giving MB a far longer period of domination than other teams got before rules were specifically changed to stop them.But also the cleverness didn't stop with just a great PU. Their aero was fantastic, as was their trick rear suspension. And, hilariously, despite being expected to suffer in 2020 due to losing their 'party mode', they came up with DAS and helped themselves to an entirely new advantage.
There are/were some very creative thinkers in the team. I guess there is still plenty of brains in the team since they also came up with the zero sidepod concept which they just couldn't get to work out of the box and also couldn't fix in the cost cap era - but obviously it was fundamentally a great idea, Newey thought so when he nabbed it and managed to get a similar design working with amazing results.
Who knows how much talent has quietly left Merc in the last year or so, I'm sure some have been enticed away - but apparently it's a great team to work at so I hope a lot has remained and are working hard on thinking of an approach for their 2026 car.. It would be great to see them up there with Ferrari in the near future.
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.It was less than 18 months ago, that we all thought Fred Vasseur was an average choice to come to Ferrari, after a longstanding average job at Sauber. With hindsight, John Elkann did very well to hire him.
Sandpit Steve said:
Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.It was less than 18 months ago, that we all thought Fred Vasseur was an average choice to come to Ferrari, after a longstanding average job at Sauber. With hindsight, John Elkann did very well to hire him.
Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.Sandpit Steve said:
Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.It was less than 18 months ago, that we all thought Fred Vasseur was an average choice to come to Ferrari, after a longstanding average job at Sauber. With hindsight, John Elkann did very well to hire him.
Sandpit Steve said:
Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.It was less than 18 months ago, that we all thought Fred Vasseur was an average choice to come to Ferrari, after a longstanding average job at Sauber. With hindsight, John Elkann did very well to hire him.
Fred's a decent guy and has good connections, but it seems clear to me who is really making things happen.
Muzzer79 said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.It was less than 18 months ago, that we all thought Fred Vasseur was an average choice to come to Ferrari, after a longstanding average job at Sauber. With hindsight, John Elkann did very well to hire him.
Fred's a decent guy and has good connections, but it seems clear to me who is really making things happen.
To me it seems Elkann is just following and accepting Vasseur's directions.
Edited by Kart16 on Wednesday 1st May 17:13
geeks said:
Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.epom said:
geeks said:
Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.Muzzer79 said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.It was less than 18 months ago, that we all thought Fred Vasseur was an average choice to come to Ferrari, after a longstanding average job at Sauber. With hindsight, John Elkann did very well to hire him.
Fred's a decent guy and has good connections, but it seems clear to me who is really making things happen.
They had to be both fully committed to the project, to actually want to start winning again and go about it in 2024 style.
geeks said:
epom said:
geeks said:
Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff