Adrian Newey to Ferrari? Is it possible?
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HardtopManual said:
geeks said:
Yeesh I had no idea people were still hanging onto it that tightly!
I think it's more a "funny 'cause it's true" joke than a refusal to accept reality.It'll just forever be a WTF moment when that tool Masi decided to re-write the restart procedure that he'd watched happen and conducted himself hundreds of time prior.
Ahh well.
Kart16 said:
Muzzer79 said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.It was less than 18 months ago, that we all thought Fred Vasseur was an average choice to come to Ferrari, after a longstanding average job at Sauber. With hindsight, John Elkann did very well to hire him.
Fred's a decent guy and has good connections, but it seems clear to me who is really making things happen.
To me it seems Elkann is just following and accepting Vasseur's directions.
Edited by Kart16 on Wednesday 1st May 17:13
- Max Verstappen
- Lewis Hamilton
- Adrian Newey
- etc
- etc
But it's Elkann who is, in my view, making it happen. He's the guy writing the cheques and making the deal. Making assurances about structure, investment, etc, etc as he's the guy who can make those promises. Not Vasseur.
Look at it with 90's-equivalent protagonists. Fred is Jean Todt - he tells them who he wants, what's required, a timeline and then he executes it. Elkann is Luca Di Montezemelo - the guy in control who gets the people on the list, be that Brawn, Schumacher or Byrne.
vaud said:
Kart16 said:
To me it seems Elkann is just following and accepting Vasseur's directions.
I think he must follow it to some extent, given he persuaded the board to commit to what $500m+ in investment. He'd need some belief in the content to do that.He clearly has a talent to know that putting the right people in the right places and standing back brings results. I read on here that he has directed Ferrari’s exec to give Fred space to do his thing.
Muzzer79 said:
I've no doubt that Fred gives Elkann a shopping list - any Ferrari TP would, because they know the cheques can be blank
But it's Elkann who is, in my view, making it happen. He's the guy writing the cheques and making the deal. Making assurances about structure, investment, etc, etc as he's the guy who can make those promises. Not Vasseur.
Look at it with 90's-equivalent protagonists. Fred is Jean Todt - he tells them who he wants, what's required, a timeline and then he executes it. Elkann is Luca Di Montezemelo - the guy in control who gets the people on the list, be that Brawn, Schumacher or Byrne.
In which case it's beginning to seem that Lewis made jumped at the opportunity before Max was asked. And with Leclerc being 13 years younger he would be ideally positioned to reap his rewards in years to come. - Max Verstappen
- Lewis Hamilton
- Adrian Newey
- etc
- etc
But it's Elkann who is, in my view, making it happen. He's the guy writing the cheques and making the deal. Making assurances about structure, investment, etc, etc as he's the guy who can make those promises. Not Vasseur.
Look at it with 90's-equivalent protagonists. Fred is Jean Todt - he tells them who he wants, what's required, a timeline and then he executes it. Elkann is Luca Di Montezemelo - the guy in control who gets the people on the list, be that Brawn, Schumacher or Byrne.
732NM said:
geeks said:
epom said:
geeks said:
Jasandjules said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I reckon the deal was actually done in outline some months ago, before LH signed).
Agreed. I suspect both Hamilton and Newey were "courted" at the same time by Fred and each were persuaded to move by use of the other...... Don't get me wrong Lewis has little to lose but my word if Newey can get Lewis his 9th AND turn around the Ferraris from 2nd/3rd on the Grid to WCC, that will cement his place as the best designer in the history of F1... What a swan song for both.
PhilAsia said:
Gary C said:
alisdairm said:
I'm quite new to current F1 racing. Re-started watching in 2020.
If Adrian Newey is so awesome at car design, why were Mercedes mopping up everything in prior to 2021?
Was he not involved in the Reb Bull car design prior to that?
SimpleIf Adrian Newey is so awesome at car design, why were Mercedes mopping up everything in prior to 2021?
Was he not involved in the Reb Bull car design prior to that?
the engine.
Furthermore at the launch of the 2021 car Allison stated on camera that he had absolutely no idea whether the rule changes favoured Merc or RB.
What happened was that Honda stepped up and RB delivered a great car.
Muzzer79 said:
I've no doubt that Fred gives Elkann a shopping list - any Ferrari TP would, because they know the cheques can be blank
But it's Elkann who is, in my view, making it happen. He's the guy writing the cheques and making the deal. Making assurances about structure, investment, etc, etc as he's the guy who can make those promises. Not Vasseur.
Look at it with 90's-equivalent protagonists. Fred is Jean Todt - he tells them who he wants, what's required, a timeline and then he executes it. Elkann is Luca Di Montezemelo - the guy in control who gets the people on the list, be that Brawn, Schumacher or Byrne.
The comparison to the '90's doesn't quite work. Elkann is effectively Agnelli. Vigna isn't Motezemolo, and Elkann has had the wit to understand that. Vasseur is combination of Todd and a bit of Brawn. Newey offers the possibility of a large part of Brawn and Byrne.- Max Verstappen
- Lewis Hamilton
- Adrian Newey
- etc
- etc
But it's Elkann who is, in my view, making it happen. He's the guy writing the cheques and making the deal. Making assurances about structure, investment, etc, etc as he's the guy who can make those promises. Not Vasseur.
Look at it with 90's-equivalent protagonists. Fred is Jean Todt - he tells them who he wants, what's required, a timeline and then he executes it. Elkann is Luca Di Montezemelo - the guy in control who gets the people on the list, be that Brawn, Schumacher or Byrne.
Different structures these days, but Elkann has worked well with Vasseur and the key is keeping a lid on the usual political infighting. It could be fun over the next few years. Leclerc will have his hands full with Hamilton if there is a competitive car.
vaud said:
Adrian is quite a quiet, composed leader seemingly with high personal integrity. If you are in the world of F1 I think you want a super smart, "cunning as a fox" business man to buffer you from contract negotiations. Even paying Eddie 10% is probably excellent value.
And knowing Eddie, he is probably getting another 10% from wherever Adrian is going.Jordie Barretts sock said:
Newey is going to have little official influence over Ferrari next year. He's tied to Red Bull until the end of the season.
Unless he's just signed up a new Hotmail account and hands it to Fred this weekend on a scrap of paper.
His neighbour Mike Coughlan has offered to help fax his drawings to Ferrari. Unless he's just signed up a new Hotmail account and hands it to Fred this weekend on a scrap of paper.
Forester1965 said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Newey is going to have little official influence over Ferrari next year. He's tied to Red Bull until the end of the season.
Unless he's just signed up a new Hotmail account and hands it to Fred this weekend on a scrap of paper.
His neighbour Mike Coughlan has offered to help fax his drawings to Ferrari. Unless he's just signed up a new Hotmail account and hands it to Fred this weekend on a scrap of paper.
Red Bull Racing said:
Adrian Newey will leave the Red Bull Technology Group in the first quarter of 2025
The F1 Commission said:
No work may be carried out on the development of a car for 2026 before January 1, 2025
1st January falls in the first quarter of the year, it's just as good a date as the other 89 choices right?Nothing is guaranteed in sport, but things are lined up nicely for Newey to have a good run at the new rules with his new team, and Honda and Ferrari are both, along with Merc, the three engine manufacturers you'd expect to build a strong powertrain to the new rules.
1 https://www.redbullracing.com/int-en/adrian-newey-...
2 https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/how-f1s-aero-de...
honda_exige said:
PhilAsia said:
Gary C said:
alisdairm said:
I'm quite new to current F1 racing. Re-started watching in 2020.
If Adrian Newey is so awesome at car design, why were Mercedes mopping up everything in prior to 2021?
Was he not involved in the Reb Bull car design prior to that?
SimpleIf Adrian Newey is so awesome at car design, why were Mercedes mopping up everything in prior to 2021?
Was he not involved in the Reb Bull car design prior to that?
the engine.
honda_exige said:
Furthermore at the launch of the 2021 car Allison stated on camera that he had absolutely no idea whether the rule changes favoured Merc or RB.
Which was very honest of Allison, as he could not have known until a wheel was turned. What we do know is that if the aero was left alone MB had g-r-e-a-t aero the previous year. So, to hack it and find it had a negative effect was probably the net outcome. Did you seriously think it was done to make MB faster?honda_exige said:
What happened was that Honda stepped up and RB delivered a great car.
Yes, they did. And they also befitted from the efforts of the chainsaw mob's aero improvements.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff