Adrian Newey to Ferrari? Is it possible?
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Red9zero said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Jasandjules said:
geeks said:
Errr doesnt he need to get his 8th first?
Well he needs to be awarded it yes. But actually win it, no.
This is sort of addictive. I may even start enjoying the races again.
Anyway taking onboard what has been mentioned before, a good man at the top asks his employees what they need to succeed.
So I guess Elkann had some role.
Looking back on the whole horner soap opera im tending to agree it has played its part. Once the fact Newey and Horner shared the PA was known it makes sense he could get out early.
Anyway taking onboard what has been mentioned before, a good man at the top asks his employees what they need to succeed.
So I guess Elkann had some role.
Looking back on the whole horner soap opera im tending to agree it has played its part. Once the fact Newey and Horner shared the PA was known it makes sense he could get out early.
TheDeuce said:
Red9zero said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Jasandjules said:
geeks said:
Errr doesnt he need to get his 8th first?
Well he needs to be awarded it yes. But actually win it, no.Muzzer79 said:
I've no doubt that Fred gives Elkann a shopping list - any Ferrari TP would, because they know the cheques can be blank
But it's Elkann who is, in my view, making it happen. He's the guy writing the cheques and making the deal. Making assurances about structure, investment, etc, etc as he's the guy who can make those promises. Not Vasseur.
Look at it with 90's-equivalent protagonists. Fred is Jean Todt - he tells them who he wants, what's required, a timeline and then he executes it. Elkann is Luca Di Montezemelo - the guy in control who gets the people on the list, be that Brawn, Schumacher or Byrne.
Elkann was the boss of Marchionne, who in turn was Montezemolo boss. Elkann is the majority owner of Ferrari, Montezemolo was just a manager.- Max Verstappen
- Lewis Hamilton
- Adrian Newey
- etc
- etc
But it's Elkann who is, in my view, making it happen. He's the guy writing the cheques and making the deal. Making assurances about structure, investment, etc, etc as he's the guy who can make those promises. Not Vasseur.
Look at it with 90's-equivalent protagonists. Fred is Jean Todt - he tells them who he wants, what's required, a timeline and then he executes it. Elkann is Luca Di Montezemelo - the guy in control who gets the people on the list, be that Brawn, Schumacher or Byrne.
In a recent interview, Montezemolo said that he hoped he had been treated better (ie, not fired the way he was) by Gianni Agnelli's grandchildren (ie, John Elkann and brothers), after so many years of working loyally for their grandfather. He seemed very bitter...
Edited by Kart16 on Wednesday 1st May 22:22
Kart16 said:
Elkann was the boss of Marchionne, who in turn was Montezemolo boss. Elkann is the majority owner of Ferrari, Montezemolo was just a manager.
In a recent interview, Montezemolo said that he hoped he had been treated better (ie, not fired the way he was) by Gianni Agnelli's grandchildren (ie, John Elkann and brothers), after so many years of working loyally for their grandfather. He seemed very bitter...
Montezemelo was Agnelli's man. He resurrected Ferrari in the 90's as Ferrari President, having previously sorted out the F1 team in the '70s. After Agnelli's death he and Marchionne unsurprisingly found it difficult to co-exist, especially as Elkann worked to establish his own control over Agnelli's empire. In a recent interview, Montezemolo said that he hoped he had been treated better (ie, not fired the way he was) by Gianni Agnelli's grandchildren (ie, John Elkann and brothers), after so many years of working loyally for their grandfather. He seemed very bitter...
Happily it appears that Elkann is more sure footed now and is concentrating on putting the right people in the right places.
hondajack85 said:
This is sort of addictive. I may even start enjoying the races again.
Anyway taking onboard what has been mentioned before, a good man at the top asks his employees what they need to succeed.
So I guess Elkann had some role.
Looking back on the whole horner soap opera im tending to agree it has played its part. Once the fact Newey and Horner shared the PA was known it makes sense he could get out early.
I expect so. RBR and parent RB have done their best to sweep this all away, the last thing they need is a legal battle over Newey's contract terms, which in turn would require Newey's team to put forwards evidence of why he has no option but to quit and therefore cannot be held to the terms of the contract - giving details of his boss banging his PA whilst simultaneously telling the world that they didn't actually need Newey anymore would probably do the trick.. I don't think Horner or RB fancied a legal battle that would bring anymore dirt to light = Newey gets cut loose.Anyway taking onboard what has been mentioned before, a good man at the top asks his employees what they need to succeed.
So I guess Elkann had some role.
Looking back on the whole horner soap opera im tending to agree it has played its part. Once the fact Newey and Horner shared the PA was known it makes sense he could get out early.
But the whole Newey issue seems to be a side effect of whatever the original divide in the team was all about, it's that rift that caused the stuff about the PA to come out into the open. That rift has yet to be resolved, because so far CH, Marko and the Verstappen's are still all at the team - these don't seem like people that would kiss and make-up and forget a battle they started with one another, not to mention the two halves of the RB board being at odds with each other over CH. I think there is more to come as a result of this.
But for sure, the very strong possibility of Newey ending up at Ferrari is extremely exciting!
ajprice said:
DC and EJ.
EJ picking splinters out of his arse from sitting on the fence and staying quiet
He's so going to Ferrari!EJ picking splinters out of his arse from sitting on the fence and staying quiet
So he's only recently taken EJ on as a manager, so he's not retiring. He's just happened to take on a manager who's got a route into Ferrari... The only team that he's said he'd like to work for and the only one with a driver he's said he's sorry he's never had the chance to work with
EJ is smugly dropping hint after hint in that interview!
suffolk009 said:
You don't hire a manager if your plan is to immediately retire.
Indeed. I thought perhaps this was a long standing secret relationship. But looks like this is another part of the route-to-Ferrari plan.This is exciting stuff.
Forester1965 said:
Would be intresting to know *when* Newey began discussions with Jordan to become his manager. That would tell you quite a lot.
My uninformed guess: Mid 2023.ajprice said:
DC and EJ.
EJ picking splinters out of his arse from sitting on the fence and staying quiet
I cant watch / listen to that while at work, but EJ was on talksport yesterday saying he thought AN wanted some time to relax and get away from everything. I thought he was hinting at retirement. But it also may be part of the plan to exit RB that AN is at the moment undecided. Maybe it puts a different spin on negotiation if it is clear that he's going straight to a competitor.EJ picking splinters out of his arse from sitting on the fence and staying quiet
Wombat3 said:
Smollet said:
I reckon he'll go to AM
Probably, but best of all would be if he went back to Williams 
Newey knows Honda too.
Hungrymc said:
I cant watch / listen to that while at work, but EJ was on talksport yesterday saying he thought AN wanted some time to relax and get away from everything. I thought he was hinting at retirement. But it also may be part of the plan to exit RB that AN is at the moment undecided. Maybe it puts a different spin on negotiation if it is clear that he's going straight to a competitor.
He has some time away from F1, he's finishing off the RB17 production car, which while important work is far less rigourous than an F1 campaign and travel and I imagine this far down the line, the bulk of his design work is fine anyway.I interpret that as him tying up the production car in a nice little bow, a genuine start to finish Newey car, released whilst he's still technically at RB.
But crucially, he has the best part of a year off F1. And likely off work in general save the odd meeting or PR call as the RB17 rolls to completion.
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