UK opts out of (mandatory) intelligent speed assist?
Discussion
andy43 said:
Farts. Real ones, not Golf R ones.
Or space age brum brum noises if it’s a Taycan.
Many ICEs use synthetic engine noises to appease the individuals that cannot live without them. Personally i like the effortless near silent way my Taycan can overtake a line of cars without drama. Or space age brum brum noises if it’s a Taycan.
Nomme de Plum said:
andy43 said:
Farts. Real ones, not Golf R ones.
Or space age brum brum noises if it’s a Taycan.
Many ICEs use synthetic engine noises to appease the individuals that cannot live without them. Personally i like the effortless near silent way my Taycan can overtake a line of cars without drama. Or space age brum brum noises if it’s a Taycan.
TX.
Terminator X said:
Nomme de Plum said:
andy43 said:
Farts. Real ones, not Golf R ones.
Or space age brum brum noises if it’s a Taycan.
Many ICEs use synthetic engine noises to appease the individuals that cannot live without them. Personally i like the effortless near silent way my Taycan can overtake a line of cars without drama. Or space age brum brum noises if it’s a Taycan.
TX.
Nomme de Plum said:
It is a minuscule amount in comparison to the £2.27 trillion (million, million) GDP the UK has.
That percentage reduces even further when the administration overhead costs are taken into account.
Thousand Million.That percentage reduces even further when the administration overhead costs are taken into account.
The UK used to use 1000,000,000,000,000,000 (long scale Trillion) but has used 1000,000,000,000 (short scale Trillion) since 1974 for all official statistics in line with the rest of the world.
Nomme de Plum said:
It is a minuscule amount in comparison to the £2.27 trillion (million, million) GDP the UK has.
WTF ?If you choose to compare apples and bees you can produce some
strange results.
AFAIK, in Europe, only the Dutch are as obsessed as the Brits
about speed control being the be-all and end-all of all road safety.
As if the quality of the driving has nothing to do with it.
The fines are all that matter. As another poster has written,
follow the money.
Safe driving is complex. It can't simply be measured in mph
less than a fixed number, although the Germans do the best
job with their "distance to the car in front" measure.
andy43 said:
I love lane keep and adaptive cruise when it works ie when it knows there’s an adult in the room and it allows the adult to make the final decision.
Beeps and bongs from a Nanny on drugs can f
k off.
I simply wouldn’t buy a car that distracts like that with no simple means of turning it off.
Having driven cars that use sign recognition and flash up what they think is the limit on the dash it doesn’t work anyway. Combine it with satnav and a very up to date database and it might work properly, but the current ‘read a random sign and go with that as the limit’ is not fit for purpose.
Why? Utter nonsense systems.Beeps and bongs from a Nanny on drugs can f
k off.I simply wouldn’t buy a car that distracts like that with no simple means of turning it off.
Having driven cars that use sign recognition and flash up what they think is the limit on the dash it doesn’t work anyway. Combine it with satnav and a very up to date database and it might work properly, but the current ‘read a random sign and go with that as the limit’ is not fit for purpose.
Baldchap said:
Jader1973 said:
DickP said:
Hi,
Just seen some comments about the UK opting out of the EU mandatory requirement for intelligent speed limiters in new cars. Struggling to find any sources apart from one or two news sites. Is this true?
Unless the UK makes it illegal to have it then I suspect cars will have it anyway.Just seen some comments about the UK opting out of the EU mandatory requirement for intelligent speed limiters in new cars. Struggling to find any sources apart from one or two news sites. Is this true?
Manufacturers will engineer one system and just fit it to everything, rather than create a unique UK spec.
I'd imagine if it isn't legislation, they won't impose it on us. Cars are engineered for the whole world these days, not just Europe.
We haven't really opted out, we were never "in".
It's an EU regulation and we didn't adopt it after Brexit.
Cars will still have the system as most manufacturers just do "EU" spec.
UK models could, in theory, have the system disabled or at least remember the last setting (so it doesn't default to on as per the EU regulation).
I think any manufacturer that decides to do this for the UK is very brave (effectively making it "less safe") but it might make them much more desirable to buyers!
The systems can either be just a warning, or actually control the speed of the car as a limiter. Can't remember the exact wording of the regulation but I don't think there is any time where the latter becomes mandatory.
It's an EU regulation and we didn't adopt it after Brexit.
Cars will still have the system as most manufacturers just do "EU" spec.
UK models could, in theory, have the system disabled or at least remember the last setting (so it doesn't default to on as per the EU regulation).
I think any manufacturer that decides to do this for the UK is very brave (effectively making it "less safe") but it might make them much more desirable to buyers!
The systems can either be just a warning, or actually control the speed of the car as a limiter. Can't remember the exact wording of the regulation but I don't think there is any time where the latter becomes mandatory.
I’m having trouble understanding the logic here.
Car manufacturer providers inbuilt speed assist, which is just a warning and can ignored or turned off, people complain
Yet there are so many threads on PH asking which is the best device to warn me of the speed limits, Waze etc,
What’s the difference, neither physically restricts your speed, yet one is hated and the other welcomed and they do the same thing,
Car manufacturer providers inbuilt speed assist, which is just a warning and can ignored or turned off, people complain
Yet there are so many threads on PH asking which is the best device to warn me of the speed limits, Waze etc,
What’s the difference, neither physically restricts your speed, yet one is hated and the other welcomed and they do the same thing,
Matthen said:
I've seen a widget advertised on Facebook that auto disables start stop - won't be long before there's one for this.
It's a little circuit that sits between the switch and wiring loom; no doubt simulates a button press.
Depressing the way things are going in the motoring world.
Not convinced as nearly all cars are CAN controlled.It's a little circuit that sits between the switch and wiring loom; no doubt simulates a button press.
Depressing the way things are going in the motoring world.
Unless I am missing something.
119 said:
Matthen said:
I've seen a widget advertised on Facebook that auto disables start stop - won't be long before there's one for this.
It's a little circuit that sits between the switch and wiring loom; no doubt simulates a button press.
Depressing the way things are going in the motoring world.
Not convinced as nearly all cars are CAN controlled.It's a little circuit that sits between the switch and wiring loom; no doubt simulates a button press.
Depressing the way things are going in the motoring world.
Unless I am missing something.
lancslad58 said:
I’m having trouble understanding the logic here.
Car manufacturer providers inbuilt speed assist, which is just a warning and can ignored or turned off, people complain
Yet there are so many threads on PH asking which is the best device to warn me of the speed limits, Waze etc,
What’s the difference, neither physically restricts your speed, yet one is hated and the other welcomed and they do the same thing,
The main issues are :Car manufacturer providers inbuilt speed assist, which is just a warning and can ignored or turned off, people complain
Yet there are so many threads on PH asking which is the best device to warn me of the speed limits, Waze etc,
What’s the difference, neither physically restricts your speed, yet one is hated and the other welcomed and they do the same thing,
1 - It doesn't work
2 - It's f
king annoying3 - It switches itself on each time you start the car
4 - It's designed to be frustrating to turn off (to meet the legislation)
Debaser said:
lancslad58 said:
I’m having trouble understanding the logic here.
Car manufacturer providers inbuilt speed assist, which is just a warning and can ignored or turned off, people complain
Yet there are so many threads on PH asking which is the best device to warn me of the speed limits, Waze etc,
What’s the difference, neither physically restricts your speed, yet one is hated and the other welcomed and they do the same thing,
The main issues are :Car manufacturer providers inbuilt speed assist, which is just a warning and can ignored or turned off, people complain
Yet there are so many threads on PH asking which is the best device to warn me of the speed limits, Waze etc,
What’s the difference, neither physically restricts your speed, yet one is hated and the other welcomed and they do the same thing,
1 - It doesn't work
2 - It's f
king annoying3 - It switches itself on each time you start the car
4 - It's designed to be frustrating to turn off (to meet the legislation)
“Depending on the make and model of the car, this will be done either by reducing the power available and/or by exerting a counter-thrust on the accelerator pedal. The car will then push the driver’s foot gently back"
Debaser said:
lancslad58 said:
I’m having trouble understanding the logic here.
Car manufacturer providers inbuilt speed assist, which is just a warning and can ignored or turned off, people complain
Yet there are so many threads on PH asking which is the best device to warn me of the speed limits, Waze etc,
What’s the difference, neither physically restricts your speed, yet one is hated and the other welcomed and they do the same thing,
The main issues are :Car manufacturer providers inbuilt speed assist, which is just a warning and can ignored or turned off, people complain
Yet there are so many threads on PH asking which is the best device to warn me of the speed limits, Waze etc,
What’s the difference, neither physically restricts your speed, yet one is hated and the other welcomed and they do the same thing,
1 - It doesn't work
2 - It's f
king annoying3 - It switches itself on each time you start the car
4 - It's designed to be frustrating to turn off (to meet the legislation)
2. Many things in life are.
3. Depends upon the car, same with Start/Stop
4. Again depends upon the car. Fiat, a bit of a pain, Volvo , takes two seonds, dead easy, single with all driver assist setttings.
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