EVs... no one wants them!
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raspy said:
Muzzer79 said:
Don't waste your breath
PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.
They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.
I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
My chauffeur the other day told me he's from Romania and he drives back home from London every few months and prefers to drive than fly. PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.
They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.
I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
Anyway, he told me he drives there non stop (apart from fuel breaks for diesel) and says it takes him about 24 hrs of driving to get home. He told me EVs were useless for him.
GT9 said:
GeneralBanter is a new username on this thread, posting like a previously banned account.
If you meant amateur sleuthing, I wasn't after their actual identity...
Goodness me. I started PH about a year ago, and saw this thread a week or so ago! You’re upset because I’ve joined your love-in by saying some realities you don’t like. If you meant amateur sleuthing, I wasn't after their actual identity...
Muzzer79 said:
Don't waste your breath
PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.
They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.
I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
I think it's the fact that when you do stop, you can just stop any where for a break. You don't need to stop and take a break at a specific location. So if you are happy to drive 4 hours without stopping, then you can do. PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.
They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.
I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
You don't need to think that I must stop off at X location which could be actually off your route. You could just pull over on a B road layby, go for the splash behind the bush. Put rubbish in the bin. Carry on the journey in a matter of minutes. No need to wait another X amount of charge to be sure you can carry on your journey. No need to worry if you might be waiting for a charger or even if they are working.
cj2013 said:
TBF, even though you're clearly joking, the concept of population growth is indeed a past issue, not a present one.
Take 2022 for example: https://www.statista.com/statistics/270370/age-dis...
17.47% of the population was 14 or under
63.36% was 15 to 64
19.17% was 65 or older
So in the simplest form, we're looking at a 1.63% population decrease due to having less 'new' people born than 'old' people on their way into the twilight.
So, ironically, air quality in BUAs (e.g. reducing infant mortality from air pollution etc) is weirdly contributing towards the perception of population growth (by improving health), but is actually intrinsically help to improve population decline.
Haha because obviously the UK is indicative of the world as a whole.Take 2022 for example: https://www.statista.com/statistics/270370/age-dis...
17.47% of the population was 14 or under
63.36% was 15 to 64
19.17% was 65 or older
So in the simplest form, we're looking at a 1.63% population decrease due to having less 'new' people born than 'old' people on their way into the twilight.
So, ironically, air quality in BUAs (e.g. reducing infant mortality from air pollution etc) is weirdly contributing towards the perception of population growth (by improving health), but is actually intrinsically help to improve population decline.
Muzzer79 said:
Don't waste your breath
PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.
They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.
I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
I did over 300 miles today and did a stint of 04 hours 4 minutes before I had to stop for a break in a layby. 160 litres of diesel used. Just imagine all that dirty Co2 I am chugging out from my 16 litre engine just so miss Maple in her EV Corsa can go to the supermarket in the next town to pick up her avocado on toast that has been ultra processed.PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.
They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.
I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
Muzzer79 said:
Don't waste your breath
PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.
They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.
I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
I'd agree in the main, there does seem to be an abnormal amount of those people going round. PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.
They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.
I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
Still. The "reason" is one part of it, the want to have it another. People are always resistant to change unfortunately, whether it more reasonable (like I consider myself, where an EV cost doesn't quite make sense right now) or those who will take vroom vroom noises to their grave.
Most people are in the middle so would probably like a change to be as seamless as possible and on the whole to get change to work there need to be upsides without extra barriers or cost.
If they fill their tank once a week currently, then that's probably what they'd like to do in the future, perhaps on the fly and definitely not at more cost which it currently is.
GeneralBanter said:
Goodness me. I started PH about a year ago, and saw this thread a week or so ago! You’re upset because I’ve joined your love-in by saying some realities you don’t like.
Hmm, ok, the V6 pushfit thing rings a bell.The thread is 600 something pages long, the trolling accounts have been appearing thick and fast for so long now it's hard to keep up.
If you are here to contribute in earnest, apologies for reading it wrong, but you didn't exactly arrive in that way.
If you walk in carrying the usual trolling tool kit, you know what they say about ducks quacking and all that.
Anyway, what are your thoughts on my previous response to you?
Ankh87 said:
Muzzer79 said:
Don't waste your breath
PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.
They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.
I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
I think it's the fact that when you do stop, you can just stop any where for a break. You don't need to stop and take a break at a specific location. So if you are happy to drive 4 hours without stopping, then you can do. PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.
They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.
I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
You don't need to think that I must stop off at X location which could be actually off your route. You could just pull over on a B road layby, go for the splash behind the bush. Put rubbish in the bin. Carry on the journey in a matter of minutes. No need to wait another X amount of charge to be sure you can carry on your journey. No need to worry if you might be waiting for a charger or even if they are working.
The point is that where are all these people going on these 400 mile journeys that they're doing so regularly as to necessitate a car that has that range?
I drive to locations as part of my job - 15-20k miles a year. My longest journey that I can recall - business or personal - is something like 125 miles each way, taking 2 - 2.5 hours each way.
I take the EV, which has the range for it but I give it a small (safety) top up when I get to the office, then I do my business and drive home.
I see that IM Motors is launching the 'L6'. 1,000 kilometre range and capable of charging quickly enough for 400 miles to be added in 12 minutes.
https://www.electrive.com/2024/03/26/im-motors-lau...
I suspect a 1,000 kilometre range won't be enough for some on here, but it is, nonetheless, an interesting looking car.
https://www.electrive.com/2024/03/26/im-motors-lau...
I suspect a 1,000 kilometre range won't be enough for some on here, but it is, nonetheless, an interesting looking car.
740EVTORQUES said:
nickfrog said:
Recycled bog paper does scratch the surface, that's the problem.
That deserves a 
Hard unforgiving medicated stuff that we had in our infant & junior school.
Ironically still available as a retro item on EBay!
Muzzer79 said:
Ankh87 said:
Muzzer79 said:
Don't waste your breath
PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.
They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.
I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
I think it's the fact that when you do stop, you can just stop any where for a break. You don't need to stop and take a break at a specific location. So if you are happy to drive 4 hours without stopping, then you can do. PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.
They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.
I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
You don't need to think that I must stop off at X location which could be actually off your route. You could just pull over on a B road layby, go for the splash behind the bush. Put rubbish in the bin. Carry on the journey in a matter of minutes. No need to wait another X amount of charge to be sure you can carry on your journey. No need to worry if you might be waiting for a charger or even if they are working.
The point is that where are all these people going on these 400 mile journeys that they're doing so regularly as to necessitate a car that has that range?
I drive to locations as part of my job - 15-20k miles a year. My longest journey that I can recall - business or personal - is something like 125 miles each way, taking 2 - 2.5 hours each way.
I take the EV, which has the range for it but I give it a small (safety) top up when I get to the office, then I do my business and drive home.
So if you do need to do that trip, you're not having to stress about having to either find a charger before you go home or charge up on the way home.
The 400 miles range is more than enough to that trip at a moments notice, knowing you'll be home that evening.
I would like to add that a lot of people are doing Staycations these days. Lots of people from the middle of England go to Cornwall or even go to Norfolk. There's also no guarantee that there's a charger you can use when you get there. So if you can get to your holiday destination without charging, then take your time on the way home. Most would be happy with that. Yes it's a pain having to charge up on the way home but it's a lesser cost than having to use a public charger 2-4 times which is another thing to factor in.
The idea of being able to make a 400 mile journey at the drop of a hat is the ultimate straw man. Most people would gladly give that up in return for never having to stop to refuel doing their daily commute.
I did in fact one get caught out needing to suddenly make a longish journey unplanned. I had not charged the car so what to do?
Drove to the nearest fast DC charger 5 minutes away (ironically at the local
Porsche dealership) and charged for 20 minutes and then I was on my way.
No problem at all and the benefits in daily use vastly outweigh this possibility.
I did in fact one get caught out needing to suddenly make a longish journey unplanned. I had not charged the car so what to do?
Drove to the nearest fast DC charger 5 minutes away (ironically at the local
Porsche dealership) and charged for 20 minutes and then I was on my way.
No problem at all and the benefits in daily use vastly outweigh this possibility.
AstonZagato said:
GT9 said:
TheBinarySheep said:
What I have issue with is the dismissive attitude towards EV's as a way to get the average person around.
'I like engines therefore everybody must also have an engine'.This whole thing is about removing the undesirable characteristics (to most people) of owning an engine.
Allowing those who like engines to continuing enjoying them in a low key, low impact manner.
CO2, NOx, CO, vibration, noise, oil consumption, servicing, tens of tons of lifetime fuel, gearboxes, exhausts, fuel pumps.
These things only appeal to a small group of people.
And of course boat-towing hypermilers, let's not forget them.
Most drivers have no idea what happens under the bonnet. They just want to get from A-B. They actually want white goods (look at most ICE cars produced/sold - they are dull as ditchwater). EVs will suit most of them.
Muzzer79 said:
Don't waste your breath
PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.
They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.
I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
Meanwhile, all the EV drivers have child bladders which require them to stop every 50 miles for a pee and an hour’s recharge. Soon services will start offering “Executive” EV-only lounges with Burger King waitress service.PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.
They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.
I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
KingGary said:
Muzzer79 said:
Don't waste your breath
PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.
They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.
I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
Meanwhile, all the EV drivers have child bladders which require them to stop every 50 miles for a pee and an hour’s recharge. Soon services will start offering “Executive” EV-only lounges with Burger King waitress service.PH is full of people who drive for hours and hours, every day, without a break.
They all need cars that will do 400 or 500 miles because they're doing that regularly.
I'd love to know where all these people are going. They must have a hell of a commute.
love this threadBoxster5 said:
Anyone old enough might remember Izal toilet paper - now that was hateful stuff and it scratched more than the surface!
Hard unforgiving medicated stuff that we had in our infant & junior school.
Ironically still available as a retro item on EBay!
That stuff was like tracing paper, it just slid over the brown stuff. Hard unforgiving medicated stuff that we had in our infant & junior school.
Ironically still available as a retro item on EBay!
732NM said:
Boxster5 said:
Anyone old enough might remember Izal toilet paper - now that was hateful stuff and it scratched more than the surface!
Hard unforgiving medicated stuff that we had in our infant & junior school.
Ironically still available as a retro item on EBay!
That stuff was like tracing paper, it just slid over the brown stuff. Hard unforgiving medicated stuff that we had in our infant & junior school.
Ironically still available as a retro item on EBay!
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