EV used prices (bottom of the market?)
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I've been looking at the Tesla Y's, some are close to £30k now, had a chat with a rental business and offered £25k for one of there's that has been sat for 6 months on a compound, 22 plate only done 11k miles, they wouldn't sell it to me though as not allowed to sell direct to the public.
I've had my E-tron for 6 months now (bought at 2 years old, 28k miles for £26k on PCP). Current Webuyanycar value is £17k.
It's a hell of a lot of car for less than £20k considering the age, size and spec of it. Providing you can live with ~160-180 mile range on the 50 model its a bargain in my opinion.
I can see them being £12-13k for higher mileage ones in 12 months.
It's a hell of a lot of car for less than £20k considering the age, size and spec of it. Providing you can live with ~160-180 mile range on the 50 model its a bargain in my opinion.
I can see them being £12-13k for higher mileage ones in 12 months.
Mr E said:
A used Tesla for 20k isn’t the bottom of the market.
A 10 year old leaf for ~3k is.
Not all Tesla superchargers are open to non-TeslasA 10 year old leaf for ~3k is.
Trevor555 said:
They got stuck waiting at Rugby services for 1hr 40mins for a charger, whilst loads of free Tesla chargers.
Without being flippant, why didn’t they use the available Tesla chargers?LowTread said:
Mr E said:
A used Tesla for 20k isn’t the bottom of the market.
A 10 year old leaf for ~3k is.
Not all Tesla superchargers are open to non-TeslasA 10 year old leaf for ~3k is.
Trevor555 said:
They got stuck waiting at Rugby services for 1hr 40mins for a charger, whilst loads of free Tesla chargers.
Without being flippant, why didn’t they use the available Tesla chargers?If the answer is ‘they had nearly run out’ than that’s your problem. The strategy with an EV on longer journeys is to top up when you can not wait till you absolutely have to, it’s a very different strategy to ICE and works much better. It’s actually faster overall but needs a different mindset.
This is as much a case of poor education as a fault of the car/ network,
Edited by 740EVTORQUES on Thursday 2nd May 06:59
740EVTORQUES said:
Why would you wait nearly 2 hours for a charger rather than just drive on to the next one?
If the answer is ‘they had nearly run out’ than that’s your problem. The strategy with an EV on longer journeys is to top up when you can not wait till you absolutely have to, it’s a very different strategy to ICE and works much better. It’s actually faster overall but needs a different mindset.
This is as much a case of poor education as a fault of the car/ network,
I’m not anti-EV, but you can’t say refilling works better and faster than ICE. If the answer is ‘they had nearly run out’ than that’s your problem. The strategy with an EV on longer journeys is to top up when you can not wait till you absolutely have to, it’s a very different strategy to ICE and works much better. It’s actually faster overall but needs a different mindset.
This is as much a case of poor education as a fault of the car/ network,
Edited by 740EVTORQUES on Thursday 2nd May 06:59
Fusion777 said:
740EVTORQUES said:
Why would you wait nearly 2 hours for a charger rather than just drive on to the next one?
If the answer is ‘they had nearly run out’ than that’s your problem. The strategy with an EV on longer journeys is to top up when you can not wait till you absolutely have to, it’s a very different strategy to ICE and works much better. It’s actually faster overall but needs a different mindset.
This is as much a case of poor education as a fault of the car/ network,
I’m not anti-EV, but you can’t say refilling works better and faster than ICE. If the answer is ‘they had nearly run out’ than that’s your problem. The strategy with an EV on longer journeys is to top up when you can not wait till you absolutely have to, it’s a very different strategy to ICE and works much better. It’s actually faster overall but needs a different mindset.
This is as much a case of poor education as a fault of the car/ network,
Edited by 740EVTORQUES on Thursday 2nd May 06:59
For most of the time yes, it works better in the EV as you charge at home cheaply overnight with almost no driver involvement.
Other times it requires a different approach as I described and with this the extra inconvenience is minimal, certainly that’s been my experience.
At some times of course it becomes a significant problem of course, but for most drivers those instances are rare and getting rarer, and can be reduced even now with better education.
Scotland trip last month in the Model 3 we stopped every 120-140 miles on the way there. Mostly because we were in holiday mode and stopping every 2 to 2.5 hrs felt about right, plus that was about as long my wife and kids could last between loo breaks.
That worked out to be about 50-60% of the battery, so we'd charge to 80-90% and then stop around 30% to charge up.
The longest we stopped was the final stop before the holiday cottage, where we wanted to top it up as much as possible, so had lunch and left the car to get up to 95% or so, which took about 40 mins in total from about 30%.
If there was a problem charging we'd have 50 miles or so to find another, which is more than enough of a margin.
While in scotland we plugged in overnight on a 3 pin, which added 20-30%. And used chargeplace scotland, or the Fort William superchargers, while out and about.
It really wasn't hard. Just requires a different mindset, and a willingness to stop for proper breaks.
On the way back we did 185 miles (3.5 hrs) in one hit just to get home, but that was ok because hitting home on 0-5% was fine because we could just plug in.
If i was a sales rep spending all day on the road i'd definitely be in a Skoda Superb diesel (or similar) with an 800 mile range though. I'd just want to get from A to B to C as quickly as possible.
That worked out to be about 50-60% of the battery, so we'd charge to 80-90% and then stop around 30% to charge up.
The longest we stopped was the final stop before the holiday cottage, where we wanted to top it up as much as possible, so had lunch and left the car to get up to 95% or so, which took about 40 mins in total from about 30%.
If there was a problem charging we'd have 50 miles or so to find another, which is more than enough of a margin.
While in scotland we plugged in overnight on a 3 pin, which added 20-30%. And used chargeplace scotland, or the Fort William superchargers, while out and about.
It really wasn't hard. Just requires a different mindset, and a willingness to stop for proper breaks.
On the way back we did 185 miles (3.5 hrs) in one hit just to get home, but that was ok because hitting home on 0-5% was fine because we could just plug in.
If i was a sales rep spending all day on the road i'd definitely be in a Skoda Superb diesel (or similar) with an 800 mile range though. I'd just want to get from A to B to C as quickly as possible.
98elise said:
Truckosaurus said:
Wills2 said:
It's not an asset class, there is no bottom of the market, just like a Mondeo they will keep dropping as they age and get superseded by newer models.
Indeed. It wasn't that long ago that a 10 year old run of the mill mid-sized ICE (eg. Mondeos, 3-series, Volvo, etc) with 100k+ miles on it was only worth a Grand or so. I can't see that EVs will be any different.Cheap Supermini sized EVs will surely find a niche from city dwellers who can live with public charging as a charge will last a few weeks.
A used tesla module will cost you about £800 (last time I looked)
In the meantime, virtually no servicing costs (in relatively none for the vast majority running an old cheap car), 10x cheaper running costs and all the usual benefits of an EV like lower NVH and better performance.
I'd be surprised if they don't settle a little above an equivalent ICE car.
Fusion777 said:
740EVTORQUES said:
Why would you wait nearly 2 hours for a charger rather than just drive on to the next one?
If the answer is ‘they had nearly run out’ than that’s your problem. The strategy with an EV on longer journeys is to top up when you can not wait till you absolutely have to, it’s a very different strategy to ICE and works much better. It’s actually faster overall but needs a different mindset.
This is as much a case of poor education as a fault of the car/ network,
I’m not anti-EV, but you can’t say refilling works better and faster than ICE. If the answer is ‘they had nearly run out’ than that’s your problem. The strategy with an EV on longer journeys is to top up when you can not wait till you absolutely have to, it’s a very different strategy to ICE and works much better. It’s actually faster overall but needs a different mindset.
This is as much a case of poor education as a fault of the car/ network,
Edited by 740EVTORQUES on Thursday 2nd May 06:59
Literally 5-10s each evening is a lot quicker and more convenient than a once a week fill up.
Just came back from the school run in my Model 3. Car on 50% at the mo.
Mulling over finishing work a bit early and heading over to a forest for some mountain biking later today.
Plugged in and Octopus is charging at 7.5p/kwh up until 11am, which will add enough to make the journey over there and back comfortably within range with a bike strapped to the back.
More convenient than making a detour and stopping at a garage.
Mulling over finishing work a bit early and heading over to a forest for some mountain biking later today.
Plugged in and Octopus is charging at 7.5p/kwh up until 11am, which will add enough to make the journey over there and back comfortably within range with a bike strapped to the back.
More convenient than making a detour and stopping at a garage.
IMO Model 3 LR are an absolute bargain at sub-£20k.
At 4 yrs old and 60k miles they've still got 4 yrs and 60k left on the drivetrain warranty.
2.5p/mile to "fuel" on overnight tarriff (equivalent to 300mpg)
400+bhp
4WD
Amazing 14 speaker stereo (best audio i've had in a car)
Big boot(s) ok not a hatch, but good
Loads of legroom for big kids in the back
Heated seats front and rear
Netflix/youtube/etc to keep kids entertained when parked
Lots of other toys to keep them happy
I honestly can't think of a better family/daily car for sub-£20k right now.
At 4 yrs old and 60k miles they've still got 4 yrs and 60k left on the drivetrain warranty.
2.5p/mile to "fuel" on overnight tarriff (equivalent to 300mpg)
400+bhp
4WD
Amazing 14 speaker stereo (best audio i've had in a car)
Big boot(s) ok not a hatch, but good
Loads of legroom for big kids in the back
Heated seats front and rear
Netflix/youtube/etc to keep kids entertained when parked
Lots of other toys to keep them happy
I honestly can't think of a better family/daily car for sub-£20k right now.
LowTread said:
IMO Model 3 LR are an absolute bargain at sub-£20k.
At 4 yrs old and 60k miles they've still got 4 yrs and 60k left on the drivetrain warranty.
2.5p/mile to "fuel" on overnight tarriff (equivalent to 300mpg)
400+bhp
4WD
Amazing 14 speaker stereo (best audio i've had in a car)
Big boot(s) ok not a hatch, but good
Loads of legroom for big kids in the back
Heated seats front and rear
Netflix/youtube/etc to keep kids entertained when parked
Lots of other toys to keep them happy
I honestly can't think of a better family/daily car for sub-£20k right now.
I'd imagine they do, but do the rear seats fold down? At 4 yrs old and 60k miles they've still got 4 yrs and 60k left on the drivetrain warranty.
2.5p/mile to "fuel" on overnight tarriff (equivalent to 300mpg)
400+bhp
4WD
Amazing 14 speaker stereo (best audio i've had in a car)
Big boot(s) ok not a hatch, but good
Loads of legroom for big kids in the back
Heated seats front and rear
Netflix/youtube/etc to keep kids entertained when parked
Lots of other toys to keep them happy
I honestly can't think of a better family/daily car for sub-£20k right now.
I'm starting to consider a used M3 Performance to replace my E-tron but think I might miss the big boot/practicality.
T_S_M said:
LowTread said:
IMO Model 3 LR are an absolute bargain at sub-£20k.
At 4 yrs old and 60k miles they've still got 4 yrs and 60k left on the drivetrain warranty.
2.5p/mile to "fuel" on overnight tarriff (equivalent to 300mpg)
400+bhp
4WD
Amazing 14 speaker stereo (best audio i've had in a car)
Big boot(s) ok not a hatch, but good
Loads of legroom for big kids in the back
Heated seats front and rear
Netflix/youtube/etc to keep kids entertained when parked
Lots of other toys to keep them happy
I honestly can't think of a better family/daily car for sub-£20k right now.
I'd imagine they do, but do the rear seats fold down? At 4 yrs old and 60k miles they've still got 4 yrs and 60k left on the drivetrain warranty.
2.5p/mile to "fuel" on overnight tarriff (equivalent to 300mpg)
400+bhp
4WD
Amazing 14 speaker stereo (best audio i've had in a car)
Big boot(s) ok not a hatch, but good
Loads of legroom for big kids in the back
Heated seats front and rear
Netflix/youtube/etc to keep kids entertained when parked
Lots of other toys to keep them happy
I honestly can't think of a better family/daily car for sub-£20k right now.
I'm starting to consider a used M3 Performance to replace my E-tron but think I might miss the big boot/practicality.
See last page on my readers cars thread
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Get a bike in mine easily.
And if you get one with a towbar (factory fit only) then can obvs carry bikes on the back.
Roof bars can be fitted but they're Tesla only ones and some are wary of how they fit around the glass roof. Need careful fitting.
Edited by LowTread on Thursday 2nd May 11:01
raspy said:
All those EVs coming off 3 year leases this year, plus more chinese EVs entering UK market, means used prices will continue to soften, imho. Good deals I think in the 2nd half of this year.
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