Today I am binning Microsoft

Author
Discussion

gangzoom

6,322 posts

216 months

Wednesday 10th January
quotequote all
sparkyhx said:
But the sheer convenience of files being available and synced is epic.
My 'professional' use for 365 is email, board reports, very light data (use Stata for proper data work), and the occasionally Power Point (Prezi does the heavy lifting of proper presentations).

Just out of interest I wondered if 365 would login on a very old processor running Linux.... I can how/why OneDrive seems like a hassle if you only ever use one device and for personal work only, but for doucment/report work, the convenience of 365 amazing, genuinely game changing for me been able to work almost anywhere, on any device, any time, and all with zero worries about version control, corrupted USB drives etc etc.

As long as the device can access 365 with a decent connection, who makes the device really is almost irrelevant.



Edited by gangzoom on Wednesday 10th January 20:20

Griffith4ever

4,312 posts

36 months

Wednesday 10th January
quotequote all
I came from a zx spectrum programming background (games), and was plonked in front of a PC as a 20 year old (IBM XT I think) with lotus 123 installed and a very simple msDOS menu (1 - lotus, 2 - dos, 3- something else). I had a folder with the floppy discs for "MSDOS" in it, with no manual whatsoever (and of course no internet to google) and was sat theith thinking "WTF is a "disc operating system"., "why does the disk need software for it to work?" . Took me a while to work out what the hell it was, and how to use the DOS command line. Was a real head scratcher workign out why the "disc" needed floppy discs to "work".

Norton commander made me smile. soooo long ago!

anonymoususer

5,892 posts

49 months

Thursday 11th January
quotequote all
I can remember a Commodore pet"


Ham_and_Jam

2,257 posts

98 months

Thursday 11th January
quotequote all
anonymoususer said:
I can remember a Commodore pet"
My Dad had a Commodore PET 2001,
Serial No #001

He threw in the skip about 10 years ago when they downsized to a smaller property.

Hedobot

657 posts

150 months

Thursday 11th January
quotequote all
Ham_and_Jam said:
My Dad had a Commodore PET 2001,
Serial No #001

He threw in the skip about 10 years ago when they downsized to a smaller property.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

snuffy

9,852 posts

285 months

Thursday 11th January
quotequote all
anonymoususer said:
I can remember a Commodore pet"
My old man used to bring a Pet home from work every Friday night, it would sit on the dining room table and I play with it until he took it back on the Monday morning.


jesusbuiltmycar

4,538 posts

255 months

Thursday 11th January
quotequote all
joropug said:
MX Master Mouse stuff
They are fabulous on macOS ... but I find that the have some quirks on Windows (or Dell Windows). The main P.I.T.A. is that if I flick the wheel to scroll fast and the wish to stop (e.g. by changing the scroll direction) there is a massive amount of latency, almost as if the OS cannot keep up.


bobthemonkey

3,843 posts

217 months

Thursday 11th January
quotequote all
jesusbuiltmycar said:
They are fabulous on macOS ... but I find that the have some quirks on Windows (or Dell Windows). The main P.I.T.A. is that if I flick the wheel to scroll fast and the wish to stop (e.g. by changing the scroll direction) there is a massive amount of latency, almost as if the OS cannot keep up.
I've seen this when using Bluetooth (on an older Dell laptop) but switching over to the dedicated dongle cleared it up. Fine on macOS.

Suspect it was a combination of an older bluetooth card on the laptop, can the windows bluetooth stack being perennially a bit rubbish!

TameRacingDriver

18,116 posts

273 months

Thursday 11th January
quotequote all
While I agree there seems to be an element of "operator error" in the OP, I'm personally another who despises Microsoft software (and to be frank, the company, for all their shady practices in the past).

Windows and Office are powerful but are frankly a total mess. Prime examples of adding features to things while paying absolutely no attention whatsoever to giving a good user experience. In other words, the software can do an awful lot of clever things, but it's absolutely bloody awful to use as well.

I could honestly write a book on my daily frustrations using Microsoft software quite honestly. It quite often seems to have a mind of it's own, and is littered with inconsistencies, and bad UI design.

However, I get it, most people just seem to overlook this, accept that it's basically garbage and get on with it.

With all that being said, I did once as an experiment, move over to Apple in the form of a MacBook Air, and while it certainly improved on many elements of the experience I find frustrating, I certainly did find it introduced it's own frustrations, and on balance, I didn't really see a huge benefit overall to switching and I ended up switching back, purely because "better the devil I know".

So I do have sympathy for the OP but ultimately it's up to them to decide which set of compromises are more acceptable, but be aware that there are compromises either way, and you'll pay a big price for the privelidge.

jesusbuiltmycar

4,538 posts

255 months

Friday 12th January
quotequote all
Fabulous ... Dell just decided it was time for the latest mandatory update ... this one disabled bluetooth meaning I have no mouse and I am stuck with the woeful touch Dell touch pad.

I have to keep reminding myself that while my Macbook is "generally pretty nice piece of kit" but it is "overpriced and needs more dongles and cables than the laptops I buy do"

Note that Macbook was cheaper that this Dell, has a way more powerfull GPU than the Dell, and has more ports (3xThuderbolt ports, a magsafe power connector, a hdmi port and an sdcard reader) whereas the Dell only has 3 USBC ports (like my old Macbook). The Macbook also has the added bonus that it is reliable and does not require a reboot every few hours.


zippy3x

1,315 posts

268 months

Friday 12th January
quotequote all
If only we could harness the power of smug self-satisfaction...

Apple users would solve the energy crisis overnight.

TameRacingDriver

18,116 posts

273 months

Friday 12th January
quotequote all
zippy3x said:
If only we could harness the power of smug self-satisfaction...

Apple users would solve the energy crisis overnight.
hehe

Louis Balfour

Original Poster:

26,404 posts

223 months

Friday 12th January
quotequote all
My new Macbook arrives tomorrow. The plan is to set that up, to get me going for now. When I am satisfied that I am comfortable with how it works I will buy the desktop machine and enjoy ultimate ease of use in the sunlit uplands of the Apple ecosystem.

At some point, I will need to access my data on Onedrive. I am assuming that the Mac will allow me to do that.... won't it....

One of my major concerns is that Microsoft seems to have stripped off attachments from my Outlook emails on both my desktop machine and my phone. My more tech-savvy child shrugged and said "meh, probably taking up space on Onedrive and they don't want that". Microsoft wouldn't really do that would they, just like they wouldn't delete all my locally stored files.... oh wait....



joropug

2,598 posts

190 months

Friday 12th January
quotequote all
Louis Balfour said:
My new Macbook arrives tomorrow. The plan is to set that up, to get me going for now. When I am satisfied that I am comfortable with how it works I will buy the desktop machine and enjoy ultimate ease of use in the sunlit uplands of the Apple ecosystem.

At some point, I will need to access my data on Onedrive. I am assuming that the Mac will allow me to do that.... won't it....

One of my major concerns is that Microsoft seems to have stripped off attachments from my Outlook emails on both my desktop machine and my phone. My more tech-savvy child shrugged and said "meh, probably taking up space on Onedrive and they don't want that". Microsoft wouldn't really do that would they, just like they wouldn't delete all my locally stored files.... oh wait....
Yes the file management system of Apple was confusing at first, I suggest getting used to that and deleting links to folders you don’t need from the quick access like windows has.

I have one drive in said quick access, so one click I’m in the folder. Use on iOS, macOS and windows .

MikeHo

1,258 posts

267 months

Friday 12th January
quotequote all
Starting to think you are just trolling now!

OneDrive on a Mac is a piece of piss, it literally just looks like and should be treated like another folder/drive:



Then just (as already said) decide which bits you want to be 'always' on your machine and try not to dick about with it biggrin



ps. what has Outlook got to do with OneDrive?

Louis Balfour

Original Poster:

26,404 posts

223 months

Friday 12th January
quotequote all
MikeHo said:
Starting to think you are just trolling now!

OneDrive on a Mac is a piece of piss, it literally just looks like and should be treated like another folder/drive:



Then just (as already said) decide which bits you want to be 'always' on your machine and try not to dick about with it biggrin



ps. what has Outlook got to do with OneDrive?
Hah, no trolling here I assure you.

It may well be easy, I haven't ever tried to access OD from a Mac.

I don't know what the interaction of OD and Outlook. But I know OD has storage dedicated to Outlook attachments and I know that Outlook is losing attachments. It was a guess, really.

GuigiaroBertone

18 posts

6 months

Friday 12th January
quotequote all
Joining late, but I'm a Microsoft software consultant and I've been using Macbook with Office and OneDrive since it was called Skydrive it's been perfect.

I store my work on Onedrive and all my photos on Google photos and emails in Gmail. Simple!

Since I converted to Mac in 2007, Apple hardware and O/S has been 100% reliable and nowhere as clunky as the Microsoft Surfaces, Dells, HPs and Lenovos that clients have tried to make me use since.

For my needs at least, a Macbook with Office, and Onedrive is the perfect combo. I've kept an open mind and give Windows a chance every couple of years ona high spec laptop but I find it to be a woefully poor and frustrating user experience.




Louis Balfour

Original Poster:

26,404 posts

223 months

Friday 12th January
quotequote all
GuigiaroBertone said:
Joining late, but I'm a Microsoft software consultant and I've been using Macbook with Office and OneDrive since it was called Skydrive it's been perfect.

I store my work on Onedrive and all my photos on Google photos and emails in Gmail. Simple!

Since I converted to Mac in 2007, Apple hardware and O/S has been 100% reliable and nowhere as clunky as the Microsoft Surfaces, Dells, HPs and Lenovos that clients have tried to make me use since.

For my needs at least, a Macbook with Office, and Onedrive is the perfect combo. I've kept an open mind and give Windows a chance every couple of years ona high spec laptop but I find it to be a woefully poor and frustrating user experience.
I am mindful that if I am going to go Apple I need to learn how to use it properly. But I am optimistic that with a more reliable base and decent support it will be a better experience than MS. On the odd occasion that I have needed Apple support it has been really good.



TameRacingDriver

18,116 posts

273 months

Friday 12th January
quotequote all
GuigiaroBertone said:
Joining late, but I'm a Microsoft software consultant...

For my needs at least, a Macbook with Office, and Onedrive is the perfect combo. I've kept an open mind and give Windows a chance every couple of years ona high spec laptop but I find it to be a woefully poor and frustrating user experience.
It's coming to something when a person affiliated with Microsoft refuses to use their own Operating System hehe

Bit in bold though - I quite agree. I wrote last night on this thread that I agreed it was a crap experience. Even just today, I had explorer freezing, crashing and restarting because I wanted to view the properties of a file, and all the usual foibles that come with using windows, inconsistent design and behaviour, weird random freezes and quirks, the usual.

I only really tolerate it on my home laptop as I use it as barely more than a browser so there's not really much to go wrong really. I've got Win 11 on the home machine, I guess it looks a little better but it looks like a beta! Co-Pilot (Preview) just tacked on. Virtual desktops wallpaper glitching when used in a non matching resolution, many windows not being skinned with the new theme or even have a dark mode, a useless weather widget that is just a front for a load of spam, animations missing, and so on. It really is a subpar experience.

The reason I got it was that I used to play games so the Windows was the natural choice, but I can't be arsed these days. So I don't need a machine that runs hot, has crap battery life, and weighs a ton, so next time I'm in the market for a laptop I might just get a reasonable spec Macbook 15 Air if they ever drop in price.

mph999

2,715 posts

221 months

Sunday 14th January
quotequote all
Louis Balfour said:
My new Macbook arrives tomorrow. The plan is to set that up, to get me going for now. When I am satisfied that I am comfortable with how it works I will buy the desktop machine and enjoy ultimate ease of use in the sunlit uplands of the Apple ecosystem.

At some point, I will need to access my data on Onedrive. I am assuming that the Mac will allow me to do that.... won't it....

One of my major concerns is that Microsoft seems to have stripped off attachments from my Outlook emails on both my desktop machine and my phone. My more tech-savvy child shrugged and said "meh, probably taking up space on Onedrive and they don't want that". Microsoft wouldn't really do that would they, just like they wouldn't delete all my locally stored files.... oh wait....
If you’re going to get a desktop machine, look at the Mac Minis, brilliant things for the money.