RE: Ineos Grenadier | Spotted

RE: Ineos Grenadier | Spotted

Monday 22nd January

Ineos Grenadier | Spotted

A year on from the first drives, there are plenty of Grenadiers around - and some savings to be had


Whenever Ineos is written about on PH, comments are guaranteed. Just about everybody has an opinion on the Grenadier and the Quartermaster - very few seem indifferent. See the 1166 comments on last year’s original review for proof.

The high level of interest doesn’t take much explaining, of course. Sir Jim Ratcliffe wanted to make a new Defender like they used to be, and so it’s hard not to be curious about what that new vision of a classic might be. There’s also been the slightly awkward gestation, where the car was meant to be built in one place and is now being assembled somewhere else, not to mention a price that increased dramatically from the original estimates. Ineos are far from alone in that regard (it is especially prevalent among startups) though it certainly helped keep discussion bubbling away. The Quartermaster really was the cherry on top of the chat, because who doesn’t have something to say about a pickup? Perhaps that review will hit 1,000 comments as well. 

Anyway, while the internet furore has been going on, Grenadiers have been selling. You see them out and about fairly regularly now - not at the rate you encounter a new Defender, obviously, but popular enough, and the dealer network is expanding to hopefully facilitate additional sales. And more new cars means more used ones, which is where the Grenadier starts to get even more interesting, as not only are there already 33 available on PH, it's also where the sub £50k examples first promised can be found. 

It’s hardly like they’re high mileage, high-owner cars, either (which would be an achievement in just a year anyway). There are fully loaded Fieldmasters out there for £80k (a new Grenadier is between £64,500 and £76,000, depending on spec), though it’s possible to pay £45k for a nearly new one in 2024. It’ll be a Utility Wagon at that money, either two-door or four-door and with a focus more on load space than passenger comfort, but it’s clear there are savings out there for those interested. And what could be truer than old Defender heritage than a bare-bones specification? 

This Grenadier is one of the more affordable available, at £46,950. This would be easily attributable to the 13k stated miles, only the odometer pic in the advert suggests it’s yet to reach 3,000. Either way, It’s a two-seater commercial example, which might potentially narrow the appeal somewhat, though it’s hard to argue with what would now be almost £20k off. The ad concedes that £10k has been taken off already, then it would seem a little bit more. 

The car is being sold at an off-road specialist, and it rides on a set of their own very fetching wheels (it’d be a bonus if the standard rims are included, as they could be sold to recoup some cost). They’d like a call for the full spec, but it’s said that this one has been used by their MD, and certainly it looks like it’s enjoyed a life of commuting rather than roughing it off road every day. For those who need a nearly new workhorse and have discounted the obvious options, a secondhand Grenadier may yet prove a smart purchase. 


SPECIFICATION | INEOS GRENADIER UTILITY WAGON

Engine: 2,993cc, straight six diesel
Transmission: 8-speed automatic with two-speed transfer case, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 247@4,200rpm
Torque (lb ft): 405@1,250rpm
0-62mph: 9.9
Top speed: 99mph (limited)
MPG: 25.9 (Trialmaster)
CO2: 286g/km (Trialmaster)
Year registered: 2023
Recorded mileage: 2,778
Price new: £64,500 (2024 price)
Yours for: £46,950

See the original advert here

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fantheman80

Original Poster:

1,475 posts

50 months

Monday 22nd January
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I've been a bit tough on this, especially the interior. but that looks quite good blacked out....I expect to see it chasing bond in the next instalment

themule

95 posts

76 months

Monday 22nd January
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Seems like pretty high depreciation!

stuckmojo

2,988 posts

189 months

Monday 22nd January
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I like these.

glennjamin

354 posts

64 months

Monday 22nd January
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Saw one in Exeter looked really good in the flesh with all the add ons fitted. Was covered in mud so at least it's been used somewhere other than school run..

chrisironside

677 posts

163 months

Monday 22nd January
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I don't really get this. If you're a consumer, why buy this over a Defender which is such a well-proven product?
And if you're SJR and you have any sort of confidence in your ability to make a worthwhile car, why not produce something with a hint of originality?

I have a hard time admiring this any more than one the Chinese Rolls-Royce copies.

J4CKO

41,709 posts

201 months

Monday 22nd January
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Momentainious said:
Wouldn't but anything connected with the red scum.
Do you not think you are perhaps taking football a little too seriously if you think like that ?

You can see how people end up as radicalised, fundamentalists or whatever if you can get so bothered about a game, that you wouldn't buy a car because the chap who owns the company part owns a football team.

Plenty of reasons not to buy a car that make sense, but not this one. Do you fight in the streets with other football supporters ?

"Red Scum", go and have a word with yourself.

Jon_S_Rally

3,436 posts

89 months

Monday 22nd January
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fantheman80 said:
I've been a bit tough on this, especially the interior. but that looks quite good blacked out....I expect to see it chasing bond in the next instalment
I'm the same. They definitely look a bit rough in a lot of pictures, but the colour and spec of this one makes it quite an attractive thing overall.

Momentainious said:
Wouldn't but anything connected with the red scum.
That's a bit extreme, isn't it?

JerryF

284 posts

175 months

Monday 22nd January
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themule said:
Seems like pretty high depreciation!
I agree based on the 2024 price. However, as mentioned in the article there was a huge hike in prices, therefore the depreciation is normal.

I would like Matt Bird to have quoted both the 2023 and 2024 prices and this would paint a different picture.

sidesauce

2,498 posts

219 months

Monday 22nd January
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Someone living less than 1/2 mile away from me has one in a very dark green. I drove past it several times until I actually realised what it was.

NitroNick

747 posts

211 months

Monday 22nd January
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Momentainious said:
Wouldn't but anything connected with the red scum.
^ was definitely written with a crayon to text app.

garypotter

1,537 posts

151 months

Monday 22nd January
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wow nealry 27% depreciation is a hard hit in a year! never been a fan but i do like the look of this one but 9.9 secs to 60 its not for me.

fozzymandeus

1,046 posts

147 months

Monday 22nd January
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I still can’t get on with the federal impact bumper these things have.

They look like a US market 1977 Mercedes 450SE, and not in a good way.

Do they also have sealed beam headlamps?

snotrag

14,497 posts

212 months

Monday 22nd January
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Friend has a Trialmaster edition in the nice green.

Just as with new Defender, the less tat, accessories, and entirely superflous off-roading nonsense they have fitted, the better they look.

spreadsheet monkey

4,545 posts

228 months

Monday 22nd January
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chrisironside said:
I don't really get this. If you're a consumer, why buy this over a Defender which is such a well-proven product?
Which Defender are you referring to?

The original square Defender, which is admittedly "well-proven", but has been out of production for 7 years, and is slow and old tech and out of step with modern safety/emissions regs?

Or the new one, which is expensive to buy new or nearly-new, isn't really a "work truck" any more, and comes with JLR's Ingenium diesel engines which I don't think anyone would describe as well-proven or bulletproof.

Given what £46k buys in the current LR/RR model line-up, this looks like decent value if you think the new Defender looks a bit soft and you need the Grenadier's off-road ability.

horsemeatscandal

1,263 posts

105 months

Monday 22nd January
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I regularly see one of these and think it looks ste if I'm honest, but absolutely not my kind of thing to be fair.

Wheel Turned Out

574 posts

39 months

Monday 22nd January
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chrisironside said:
I don't really get this. If you're a consumer, why buy this over a Defender which is such a well-proven product?
And if you're SJR and you have any sort of confidence in your ability to make a worthwhile car, why not produce something with a hint of originality?

I have a hard time admiring this any more than one the Chinese Rolls-Royce copies.
Regarding Radcliffe, the whole point was that he basically wanted a new old Defender and he wanted it to be as close as he could get away with, but with some slight quality of life improvements - the whole thing is a billionaire's pet passion project and not much more. I don't see where the scope for originality is with that brief.

marketappeal

11 posts

105 months

Monday 22nd January
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I rather like it. I'm not even vaguely in the market to buy one and recirculating ball steering isn't going to provide the sporting feel I'm used to, but if I was a farmer seeking a rugged utility vehicle I can imagine this being high up the list.

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,077 posts

99 months

Monday 22nd January
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Rarely seen a car get such negative reviews, and that is before anyone has had a chance to see if they are reliable ( unlikely for a totally new operation building a new car for the first time ) or how the dealer network stacks up.

You have to really, really like these to buy one....

WPA

8,937 posts

115 months

Monday 22nd January
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Rarely seen a car get such negative reviews, and that is before anyone has had a chance to see if they are reliable ( unlikely for a totally new operation building a new car for the first time ) or how the dealer network stacks up.

You have to really, really like these to buy one....
Spot on.

Macboy

746 posts

206 months

Monday 22nd January
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Whatever you think of Ratcliffe, the idea of a rugged utility 4x4 has some appeal to a certain buyer. But there aren't enough of these buyers with £70k to spend to buy the 1000's they need to sell in the UK to meet their targets. The US and other markets may be able to rustle up enough buyers but in the UK it's too expensive for most fleet buyers (and isn't VAT reclaimable despite being classified as a utlity vehicle with the restrictions that brings) and not on-road focussed enough to be a Defender rival (I've driven it a couple of times and it's an oddly compromised - and big - car on road). They have UK stock while claiming not to have agents and building only to order so prices are tumbling. There are already finance deals and more to come no doubt.

A less-than 12 month old car at £55k has lost a big chunk of money and clearly just doesn't suit some buyers. There are over 100 for sale at the minute - close to 15% of all 2023 deliveries. For me, 19mpg was a shock on the extended test I took and the unecessarily knock-off Land Rover styling still jars with me despite both wanting to like it and feeling it'd fit my use-case.