Hybrid running costs calculations

Hybrid running costs calculations

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Type R Tom

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3,916 posts

150 months

Wednesday 1st May
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I currently have a 120-mile commute with town driving on either end. My 2011 V60 T6 averages 31mpg on the journey so I’m using about £27 in fuel or about 23p a mile at £1.50 per l

I’ve seen a 2013 D6 twin engine for sale. This will do around 25 miles with a 12khw battery and about 45mpg on diesel. At home, the battery would cost £3.24 to fill at 27p per KWh and £9.72 at 81p per KWh at its most expensive on the street. The diesel engine will do around 45mpg or about 16p per mile.

Therefore, from home 25 miles at 13p and 35 miles at 16p would make the commute to work cost £8.85
From work 25 miles at 81p (worst case) and 35 miles at 16p would make the commute home £15.32

The total commute to work be £24.17, only around £3 less than what my 3.0 T6 would do.

Or am I missing something or making a huge mistake? Does the cost of using public charging points make plug-in hybrids uneconomical? Does the poor KWh per mile make them uneconomical?

Would the stop-start, 20mph, congestion, etc, mean the reality would be a lot better than I've calculated?

Sycamore

1,816 posts

119 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Why are you assuming that you MUST fill the battery at the expensive rate, and that this needs to be used before the diesel can be?
Does the battery not just kick in when trundling around town, when the diesel would be somewhat uneconomical, but you're using the diesel for the vast majority of the time?

Either way if you bin off that silly public charging rate it'd be cheaper regardless

Edited by Sycamore on Wednesday 1st May 11:40

Type R Tom

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150 months

Wednesday 1st May
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The "city" part of my commute is about 16 miles each way, so I wouldn't have enough to do it all on one charge, hence the need to top up publicly.

I'm asking the question to see what I've missed.

fflump

1,426 posts

39 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Type R Tom said:
The "city" part of my commute is about 16 miles each way, so I wouldn't have enough to do it all on one charge, hence the need to top up publicly.

I'm asking the question to see what I've missed.
But why bother topping it up publicly? Just drive home on diesel surely?

brillomaster

1,273 posts

171 months

Wednesday 1st May
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yeah just do the full journey back with diesel? why use a public charger for such a limited mileage if its so expensive?

alternatively, you need a hybrid with a slightly larger electric range so you can cover more of the total distance using cheap home electricity.

Sycamore

1,816 posts

119 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Type R Tom said:
The "city" part of my commute is about 16 miles each way, so I wouldn't have enough to do it all on one charge, hence the need to top up publicly.

I'm asking the question to see what I've missed.
What you've missed is that it's not a requirement to do the two 16 mile bits on electric, so you're not required to use an expensive charger for the return stint.

Charge the battery cheaply. Once it runs out, you still have a diesel engine available. Charge the battery cheaply again as required?

Taxis trundle around town on diesel all day

sjg

7,462 posts

266 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Public charging rarely makes sense in PHEVs, and you can usually get a lot cheaper than 27p at home.

Not familiar with the Volvos but every other PHEV I've owned or driven may default to using electric but can be put into a charge save or hybrid mode to keep some in reserve. Use the electric on the bits that would be less efficient (crawling through traffic, etc), save charge when you're going faster, and just make sure you get home without any electric left.

GroundEffect

13,855 posts

157 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Note how slow the charging is on a PHEV. They're designed around the use-case that people will charge them at home or destination, not in between. So typically it'll be around 4-5hrs to charge the battery. The assumption is based on the fact you have a secondary energy source - petrol/diesel.

There are some PHEVs out there with DC Fast Charging now as the EV only range of 60 miles+ but they're new/expensive.

If you can't charge at home or at work (for a reasonable price), I don't see the point of a PHEV vs a normal hybrid or a diesel.


Type R Tom

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3,916 posts

150 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Thanks for the replies

It seems that the best solution would be to save electricity for the working end of the commute, which is definitely the worst part of the economy, and just charge at home.


Pica-Pica

13,904 posts

85 months

Wednesday 1st May
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I wouldn’t bother with a PHEV, just go for a proper self-charging hybrid.

gmaz

4,436 posts

211 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Any reason why you would not want to go full EV? You can get costs down to about 2p/mile using an EV tariff, and have lower maintenance costs, quieter, more responsive drive.

gmaz

4,436 posts

211 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Pica-Pica said:
I wouldn’t bother with a PHEV, just go for a proper self-charging hybrid.
No such thing. If Toyota can market their cars as "self-charging" then so can Tesla.

Type R Tom

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150 months

Wednesday 1st May
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gmaz said:
Any reason why you would not want to go full EV? You can get costs down to about 2p/mile using an EV tariff, and have lower maintenance costs, quieter, more responsive drive.
I can't afford one that would fit the family's needs at the moment.

gmaz

4,436 posts

211 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Type R Tom said:
gmaz said:
Any reason why you would not want to go full EV? You can get costs down to about 2p/mile using an EV tariff, and have lower maintenance costs, quieter, more responsive drive.
I can't afford one that would fit the family's needs at the moment.
Assuming 20 days work per month, you're paying ~ £540 a month for diesel! You could lease a brand new car for less than that.

What's more important? Your family's needs, or doing 0-60 in 3.8 seconds?

https://www.leaseloco.com/car-leasing/mg-motor-uk/...





Type R Tom

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3,916 posts

150 months

Wednesday 1st May
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gmaz said:
Type R Tom said:
gmaz said:
Any reason why you would not want to go full EV? You can get costs down to about 2p/mile using an EV tariff, and have lower maintenance costs, quieter, more responsive drive.
I can't afford one that would fit the family's needs at the moment.
Assuming 20 days work per month, you're paying ~ £540 a month for diesel! You could lease a brand new car for less than that.

What's more important? Your family's needs, or doing 0-60 in 3.8 seconds?

https://www.leaseloco.com/car-leasing/mg-motor-uk/...
I only have to go in one or two days a week. The cost of the new car is virtually the same as what mine is worth, so I'm working strictly on MPG as there is no other outlay, and VED will be less.

If I ever have to go back to the office full-time, they will definitely be considered.

plfrench

2,411 posts

269 months

Wednesday 1st May
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As a slight aside, I would definitely look at changing energy supplier - I'm with OVO and household is 22.68p/kWh and EV is 7p/kWh. Even if you can't get the EV part due to not having a smart meter, then might still be worth it for the household price drop smile

wc98

10,442 posts

141 months

Wednesday 1st May
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gmaz said:
What's more important? Your family's needs, or doing 0-60 in 3.8 seconds?

https://www.leaseloco.com/car-leasing/mg-motor-uk/...
That's the funniest thing i have read on any EV related thread bow

OutInTheShed

7,864 posts

27 months

Wednesday 1st May
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It's not an ideal trip for a PHEV.
PHEVs can be really cheap to run if you do a lot of short trips which are a high % battery powered.

In town it should function as a stop/start hybrid though, so it's more economical than a diesel.

You might have to keep the car in the right mode to arrive home with the battery fairly empty.

It's a lot of fuss to save a few pounds a week.
You might save more on non-commute days of course.

Is this PHEV euro 6? If not, I would think twice before investing in it.

Shabaza

213 posts

98 months

Wednesday 1st May
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an MG5 can be had starting at £10k - its an estate (just about)
Can do 180-220 miles on a full charge (costing £10-15 worst case at home).

I'd seriously consider it

James6112

4,477 posts

29 months

Wednesday 1st May
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Pica-Pica said:
I wouldn’t bother with a PHEV, just go for a proper self-charging hybrid.
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