Infected Blood Scandal

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Monday 20th May
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A bit surprised there isnt a thread on this already.

I think the fact that patients were knowingly given infected blood is the most horrendous part about all this, and even patients where there was no clinical need for a transfusion.

Surely the US has some responsibility somewhere along the line?

https://news.sky.com/story/infected-blood-scandal-...

bitchstewie

51,965 posts

212 months

Monday 20th May
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Can't say I knew too much about this until the recent news about the inquiry and its conclusions and report.

I don't even know the word I'm looking for but what an absolute and utter web of lies and deceit over such a massively long timescale across governments of all colours.

I just don't get how that can happen.

Fatboy

7,993 posts

274 months

Monday 20th May
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I've been following this the last few weeks, it's absolutely baffling that this happened - it's more than just incompetence here, criminal covering up of evidence and needs proper criminal investigation and prosecution to start...

119

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Fatboy said:
I've been following this the last few weeks, it's absolutely baffling that this happened - it's more than just incompetence here, criminal covering up of evidence and needs proper criminal investigation and prosecution to start...
Absolutely agree and it was asked what the ramifications should be but missies the response.

Like the post office scandal, it’s all just been ignored and delayed for years and heads must roll, especially those who were in charge at the time.

bitchstewie

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212 months

Monday 20th May
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I heard some of the campaigners on the radio earlier and I believe part of the problem is that this has dragged on so long that many of the heads that should roll are simply dead.

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Ken Clark misled the public over this at the time but now at 83 doesn’t seem much point but I believe should certainly be held accountable somehow.

Terminator X

15,210 posts

206 months

Monday 20th May
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Standard Govt tactics for things like this, drag it out for as long as possible so that the vast majority who could claim have died.

TX.

119

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I agree, slight there are many of their family thagt are stilllalive and infected so I don’t think it’s going to be that easy for the government anymore, especially as it is now getting more of a voice via the media.

Randy Winkman

16,398 posts

191 months

Monday 20th May
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119 said:
A bit surprised there isnt a thread on this already.
Yes - what it needed was a TV drama. That's not a dig at PHers though - after all, I could have started one. It's more about the more general low profile the subject has had. I have been wondering if it's an even bigger deal than the Post Office.

119

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Randy Winkman said:
119 said:
A bit surprised there isnt a thread on this already.
Yes - what it needed was a TV drama. That's not a dig at PHers though - after all, I could have started one. It's more about the more general low profile the subject has had. I have been wondering if it's an even bigger deal than the Post Office.
There may well be one at some point as it has been classed as the biggest scandal in the NHS since it began.

heisthegaffer

3,456 posts

200 months

Monday 20th May
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We have a family friend who lost her brother due to this.

Poor sod had battled leukaemia for years and had just about beaten it and contracted something grim via blood transfusion and died.



Edited by heisthegaffer on Monday 20th May 20:48

FourWheelDrift

88,712 posts

286 months

Monday 20th May
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119 said:
Ken Clark misled the public over this at the time but now at 83 doesn’t seem much point but I believe should certainly be held accountable somehow.
Take back his title and throw him out of the Lords for start.

TUS373

4,578 posts

283 months

Monday 20th May
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I have been following this...for 30 years. I worked for the company that brought in the first generation of blood products that had viral inactivation in them. Whilst it no doubt saved lives, a lot of damage was already done.

The scale of this is genuinely massive and I will read the report with interest and sadness no doubt.

One of the key problems with blood products was that the process that concentrates proteins such as FVIII and FIX also concentrated viruses when they were present. Ways around that were better screening of blood (plasma) donors, but that came too late...after the viruses were discovered. And inactivation. HIV and HCV are lipid enveloped and susceptible to being destroyed by solvents, so once this brought on, safety improved massively. Some such blood products are still in use today. They are life saving. In other cases, patients receive recombinant products...so not made from blood per se.

Some of these patients became friends and some still survive, but not in the best if health.

It was heartening to see Sunak and Starmer sharing the platform in the Commons today and relaying the same sentiment.

Lessons will be learned from this. At last.

Jinx

11,407 posts

262 months

Monday 20th May
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TUS373 said:

Lessons will be learned from this. At last.
We can but hope. I won't hold my breath though.


sawman

4,930 posts

232 months

Monday 20th May
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What staggers me iis that the government have managed to avoid doing anything about this / acknowledging responsibility in 40 years. I remember seeing reports on panorama or world in action in the early 80’s about infected blood products from America.

The french dealt with this in the ‘90’s

TUS373

4,578 posts

283 months

Monday 20th May
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Indeed. I recall Lord Morris championing the cause in the mid 1990s. Here we are, 30 years later. It has been an extraordinarily complex case given the number of people affected. I expect the matter of 'patients were given the best treatment at the time' would have been complex to unpick. True or not true? Could be debated for ever.

The evidence of cover ups and systemic failings is the big worry. Sweep something under the carpet and it does not go away. If the evidence (patient records for example) have gone, then how can that be explained away?


TUS373

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283 months

Monday 20th May
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I will add. USA blood products did get a bad press, and sometimes with very good reason. However, UK blood products were no better. In the late 1990s, and in a move towards self sufficiency, the UK purchased plasmaphoresis centres in the UK. Why would they do that? Because there were new concerns over the safety of UK blood, this time from BSE. Bit of a rock and hard place....but there have been no ongoing problems with blood and blood products in the UK since. It suggests that the approach taken was justified.

alangla

4,906 posts

183 months

Monday 20th May
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119 said:
Randy Winkman said:
119 said:
A bit surprised there isnt a thread on this already.
Yes - what it needed was a TV drama. That's not a dig at PHers though - after all, I could have started one. It's more about the more general low profile the subject has had. I have been wondering if it's an even bigger deal than the Post Office.
There may well be one at some point as it has been classed as the biggest scandal in the NHS since it began.
Already commissioned it seems https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-6837...

MattsCar

1,078 posts

107 months

Monday 20th May
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Just watch the tardiness when it comes to paying out...apparently 70% involved have died already...wait a few more years and save x amount of money. Disgusting.

Same as the PO Scandal and delayed WASPI women etc.


119

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Monday 20th May
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alangla said:
119 said:
Randy Winkman said:
119 said:
A bit surprised there isnt a thread on this already.
Yes - what it needed was a TV drama. That's not a dig at PHers though - after all, I could have started one. It's more about the more general low profile the subject has had. I have been wondering if it's an even bigger deal than the Post Office.
There may well be one at some point as it has been classed as the biggest scandal in the NHS since it began.
Already commissioned it seems https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-6837...
Thanks.