Black Police Officers Association.
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Divisive as it puts them into a bracket of their own.
Why do they need to be distinguished anymore from any other cop?
Whats next- Lesbian and gay police officers union? Jewish Transexuals Baton Only club?....FFS.
Like ive said on other threads: Integration-it aint happening here as evidenced by the need for a SEPARATE identity for cops who are black.....talk about taking the piss.
Funny all the hoohaa that was made about South Africa with apartheid, and here it is, alive and well in good old bolloxed blighted blighty.
Why do they need to be distinguished anymore from any other cop?
Whats next- Lesbian and gay police officers union? Jewish Transexuals Baton Only club?....FFS.
Like ive said on other threads: Integration-it aint happening here as evidenced by the need for a SEPARATE identity for cops who are black.....talk about taking the piss.
Funny all the hoohaa that was made about South Africa with apartheid, and here it is, alive and well in good old bolloxed blighted blighty.
I know it exists but I've always thought that this sort of thing was against the race relations laws. Imagine what the reaction would be if someone formed the White Police Officers Association. Along the same lines as the MOBO (Music of Black Origin) awards, they'd complain like hell if someone did the Music of White Anglo Saxon Origin awards.
deltafox said:
Divisive as it puts them into a bracket of their own.
Initially I thought that it would. It doesn't!
You can be a member of the BPA and be white!
You can even be a member of the BPA and be white with voting rights!
The Police federation is for every member across the board. There are many sections within the service for members of specific clubs and or interests.
deltafox said:
Why do they need to be distinguished anymore from any other cop?
Because they can encounter specific problems in relation to their ethnic origin which is not actually born out of prejudice or discrimination. One of which is the retention of good Black/Asian officers which the BPA addresses continually.
deltafox said:
Whats next- Lesbian and gay police officers union?
It already exists! You are a tad behind the times
deltafox said:
Jewish Transexuals Baton Only club?....FFS.
There are religious sections for all who follow that particular belief. There is even a baton twirling club!
deltafox said:
Like ive said on other threads: Integration-it aint happening here as evidenced by the need for a SEPARATE identity for cops who are black.....talk about taking the piss.
Bigot! But why does that not surprise me after some of the drivel you psot on here deltafox?
deltafox said:
Funny all the hoohaa that was made about South Africa with apartheid, and here it is, alive and well in good old bolloxed blighted blighty.
You can go back to your cave now! Troglodite!
>> Edited by gone on Friday 22 July 03:02
gilbertd said:
I know it exists but I've always thought that this sort of thing was against the race relations laws. Imagine what the reaction would be if someone formed the White Police Officers Association. Along the same lines as the MOBO (Music of Black Origin) awards, they'd complain like hell if someone did the Music of White Anglo Saxon Origin awards.
You are wrong. It is not against race relations laws.
There is no need for a white police officers association. The Police federation looks after the interests of all. Most white officers do not have to deal with issues that black officers do from prejudice within their own communities other than when white officers make an appearence on a board like pH
White Anglo Saxon music is Greensleeves (and I wouldn't mnd betting that there was a foriegn influence in that as well
)! World culture has been an influence in what you call white anglo saxon music for hundreds of years including influence from Africa and the Far East. Mozart and Beethoven were not white Anglo Saxons I think you will find and their music has vastly influenced modern culture in this country relating to the sorts of popular music we have today! gone said:
White Anglo Saxon music is Greensleeves (and I wouldn't mnd betting that there was a foriegn influence in that as well
You're talking with that strange accent again . . . oh, I remember, rectumish
What's all that about ? busa_rush said:
You're talking with that strange accent again . . . oh, I remember, rectumish
And your helpful contribution to this debate is the above
Perhaps we could have some expert opinion from you in all this?
Do you know what language music scores are written in? (without resorting to a google search?)
Do you have any music qualifications?
I do
The thread is about the black police association.
You however, have hijacked it to have a little jab once again. Whatever turns you on
I have just stumbled across this thread, how I missed it yesterday I will never know.
I must admit, when I first joined the job, I had a problem with the 'black police officers association', and being a bit of a 'loose cannon' (not my description of myself at the time) I voiced my displeasure and even stating to my inspector that I wanted to join, and if not then it was obviously racist as I was barred because I am white, not black, so not allowed in. This is akin to signs in the history books saying "No blacks, no Irish".
I also voiced my opinion on why there was not a 'white police officers association' that could say "Only whites are allowed" -
However, it was the title of the group that annoyed me. I have no preference to whatever race people are, be it first generation british, 2nd third or whatever. It wasn't a colour thing, it was the fact that I wasn't allowed to join because of one thing that really got up my snotter - I was white - and that's it.
Now then. I have read Gones post and would agree with his points raised. Black / Asian officers receive more problems from within Black / Asian communities as black and asian officers are still in a minority. Support is needed from within their ethnic group. After all I could try to understand, but wouldn't, as I have been brought up in a typical white middle class culture. I also wouldn't be patronising enough to try to tell someone of different cultural group what they were experiencing. I simply wouldn't know.
I can understand why people think the BPO is wrong. However it isn't. Trust me on that one, and yes, the Police federation covers all, like a union but with no teeth.
I suppose if I still think of the title, and why I thought I couldn't join.
Hope that makes a bit of sense.
Been up with daughter most of the night. Kids 
>> Edited by silverback mike on Friday 22 July 09:16
I must admit, when I first joined the job, I had a problem with the 'black police officers association', and being a bit of a 'loose cannon' (not my description of myself at the time) I voiced my displeasure and even stating to my inspector that I wanted to join, and if not then it was obviously racist as I was barred because I am white, not black, so not allowed in. This is akin to signs in the history books saying "No blacks, no Irish".
I also voiced my opinion on why there was not a 'white police officers association' that could say "Only whites are allowed" -
However, it was the title of the group that annoyed me. I have no preference to whatever race people are, be it first generation british, 2nd third or whatever. It wasn't a colour thing, it was the fact that I wasn't allowed to join because of one thing that really got up my snotter - I was white - and that's it.
Now then. I have read Gones post and would agree with his points raised. Black / Asian officers receive more problems from within Black / Asian communities as black and asian officers are still in a minority. Support is needed from within their ethnic group. After all I could try to understand, but wouldn't, as I have been brought up in a typical white middle class culture. I also wouldn't be patronising enough to try to tell someone of different cultural group what they were experiencing. I simply wouldn't know.
I can understand why people think the BPO is wrong. However it isn't. Trust me on that one, and yes, the Police federation covers all, like a union but with no teeth.
I suppose if I still think of the title, and why I thought I couldn't join.
Hope that makes a bit of sense.
Been up with daughter most of the night. Kids >> Edited by silverback mike on Friday 22 July 09:16
silverback mike said:
I voiced my displeasure and even stating to my inspector that I wanted to join, and if not then it was obviously racist as I was barred because I am white, not black, so not allowed in.
gone said:
You can be a member of the BPA and be white!
You can even be a member of the BPA and be white with voting rights!
One of you must be wrong, who?
Einion Yrth said:
Gone is correct.
At the start of my post I indicated that it was at the start of my service, and not now. I am now informed and the only thing that rankled me was the title and association.
Ok, thanks for that. An interesting use of the term 'black' then.
Well, yes, maybe as many asian officers are included. Not just officers of african carribean ethnicity which is the assumption with 'black' - Again, an assumption.
gone said:
Divisive as it puts them into a bracket of their own.
Initially I thought that it would. It doesn't!
You can be a member of the BPA and be white!
You can even be a member of the BPA and be white with voting rights!
The Police federation is for every member across the board. There are many sections within the service for members of specific clubs and or interests.
deltafox said:
Why do they need to be distinguished anymore from any other cop?
Because they can encounter specific problems in relation to their ethnic origin which is not actually born out of prejudice or discrimination. One of which is the retention of good Black/Asian officers which the BPA addresses continually.
deltafox said:
Whats next- Lesbian and gay police officers union?
It already exists! You are a tad behind the times
deltafox said:
Jewish Transexuals Baton Only club?....FFS.
There are religious sections for all who follow that particular belief. There is even a baton twirling club!
deltafox said:
Like ive said on other threads: Integration-it aint happening here as evidenced by the need for a SEPARATE identity for cops who are black.....talk about taking the piss.
Bigot! But why does that not surprise me after some of the drivel you psot on here deltafox?
deltafox said:
Funny all the hoohaa that was made about South Africa with apartheid, and here it is, alive and well in good old bolloxed blighted blighty.
You can go back to your cave now! Troglodite!
>> Edited by gone on Friday 22 July 03:02
Ya know Gone, youve just proved a few things to me that i already suspected of people with your attitude.
1) You dont see.
2) You dont care to see.
Let this poor "troglodite" explain his "bigotted" views in a reasonable way that even you can comprehend.
A few facts first though on which to lay my foundations.
1) Black people are the same as us.
2) Asian people are the same as us.
3) Chinese people are the same as us.
I believe this.^^^^^^^^^
I presume that YOU would concur with the above statements?
I guess you do. That leads to this question: Why are you supporting treating them differently?
Why should people who ARE the same as us be treated differently?
By applying such treatment to people who are the same as us, you end up MAKING THEM DIFFERENT!!!!
You end up enforcing negative perceptions of them as BEING different!
Now do you SEE? Now do you get it?
You wouldnt treat a woman officer any differently to a male officer, yet youll pigeonhole a black officer and give him his own "club"!
RACISTS!
You do the same for homosexuals.
Theyre the SAME as US!
My mate Andy down the street, i dont see him as being any different to me, to ANYONE. But YOU DO!!!!
Eyes opening yet?
If my views are "bigotted" -theyre not-(try looking up the definition next time before using it) then yours are overtly racist due to your support for a "black officers" association and your views (on this subject) are actually at odds with whats being preached by people like you. Conflict of opinions/belief versus actions i believe.
You (and others) have totally misjudged me, my opinions, my reasons, preferring to jump on specific points of my arguments (the bits you wanted to) instead of considering the whole of whats being said, heck, id have thought you were a little brighter than this, but having said that, my hopes wernt exactly high so im not entirely surprised by your response.
Remember, Theyre the SAME as us NOT different. Stop treating them differently.
Hey guys! Pull your heads in!!!
The informative posts from Gone and Silverback Mike were eye openers as my first reaction was as was many peoples that a "black" police officers association, in name at least, must be racist. However guys you've educated me on that!
However why should it be allowed especially when the Federation apparently helps all? Is it that the black officers get treated as "traitors to the race" in black areas and thusly need to discuss it amongst themselves? Do they feel that a "white" officer can't appreciate the problems??
If so I would not think that a separate "club" is of use, more pulling together with a show of solidarity with and by the "white" colleagues would perhaps be, certainly outwardly, better?
The informative posts from Gone and Silverback Mike were eye openers as my first reaction was as was many peoples that a "black" police officers association, in name at least, must be racist. However guys you've educated me on that!
However why should it be allowed especially when the Federation apparently helps all? Is it that the black officers get treated as "traitors to the race" in black areas and thusly need to discuss it amongst themselves? Do they feel that a "white" officer can't appreciate the problems??
If so I would not think that a separate "club" is of use, more pulling together with a show of solidarity with and by the "white" colleagues would perhaps be, certainly outwardly, better?
superlightr said:
Please correct me (from a other post) I understand that a policeman cannot belong or vote for a particular lawful polictical party ie the BNP.
Is this true? How is this principle justifed?
Yes, I started that thread.
As a serving officer I cannot join the BNP party itself as an active member. However, should I wish to vote BNP then I cannot see how that can be veto'ed. I state 'should' as my politics are not on display and never will be.
However, I posted it to see what the PH opinon on the matter was....I do think however that a Police Officer who is an active member of the BNP, or any far right / left or any party that has 'radical' views is not a good thing. But.....should this influence his or her work? probably not, but I think it would not promote good community / police relationships which is what we are aiming, and in many cases achieving.
JMGS4 said:
Hey guys! Pull your heads in!!!
The informative posts from Gone and Silverback Mike were eye openers as my first reaction was as was many peoples that a "black" police officers association, in name at least, must be racist. However guys you've educated me on that!
However why should it be allowed especially when the Federation apparently helps all? Is it that the black officers get treated as "traitors to the race" in black areas and thusly need to discuss it amongst themselves? Do they feel that a "white" officer can't appreciate the problems??
If so I would not think that a separate "club" is of use, more pulling together with a show of solidarity with and by the "white" colleagues would perhaps be, certainly outwardly, better?
I don't have any first hand knowledge of this, but I do believe black and asian officers face different problems with members of the community of the same ethnicity.
We are all 'colleagues' and therefore are together in everything we do. I would whole heartedly stick up for anyone of us in a compromising situation. I have had racist comments aimed at me, by ethnic groups other than my own. I am 'white / British' by the way.
I think 'gone' has more experience of the problems faced by black and asian officers in the community, but I have been made aware that from within those communities, maybe frowned on, is a bad choice of words, but there isn't much encouragement to join the police, and if you do, not much support. Hence the association to discuss specific problems that I simply have not experienced. Although, yes, I have been racially verbally abused many times.
A few facts first though on which to lay my foundations.
1) Black people are the same as us.
2) Asian people are the same as us.
3) Chinese people are the same as us.
I believe this.^^^^^^^^^
I presume that YOU would concur with the above statements?
I guess you do. That leads to this question: Why are you supporting treating them differently?
Why should people who ARE the same as us be treated differently?
By applying such treatment to people who are the same as us, you end up MAKING THEM DIFFERENT!!!!
You end up enforcing negative perceptions of them as BEING different!
Now do you SEE? Now do you get it?
You wouldnt treat a woman officer any differently to a male officer, yet youll pigeonhole a black officer and give him his own "club"!
RACISTS!
You do the same for homosexuals.
Theyre the SAME as US!
My mate Andy down the street, i dont see him as being any different to me, to ANYONE. But YOU DO!!!!
Eyes opening yet?
If my views are "bigotted" -theyre not-(try looking up the definition next time before using it) then yours are overtly racist due to your support for a "black officers" association and your views (on this subject) are actually at odds with whats being preached by people like you. Conflict of opinions/belief versus actions i believe.
You (and others) have totally misjudged me, my opinions, my reasons, preferring to jump on specific points of my arguments (the bits you wanted to) instead of considering the whole of whats being said, heck, id have thought you were a little brighter than this, but having said that, my hopes wernt exactly high so im not entirely surprised by your response.
Remember, Theyre the SAME as us NOT different. Stop treating them differently.
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Delta,
I won't nudge into yours and Gone's debate here, but put my views over.
From my previous post, I did initially have a problem with the BPO, feeling in many ways like you did.
However, my views are changed now as I do think there is a need for the association.
Yes, everyone is the same, Black, asian, chinese, homosexual, female. I too, couldn't give two hoots what someone is. Their external appearance makes no difference to me.
However, those officers have to have a group that understands their particular problems within the community that as specific to them.
I.e The lesbian and Gay group. I'm not homosexual, and will never really understand the pressure a homosexual or lesbian police officer will be under. Only those that are, will.
I am not a black officer in a black community that gets a lot of aggro from within that community for 'joining' a white organisation, and in effect 'selling out'...Only a fellow black officer (or asian etc) can help in those matters.
Yes, initially I thought it racist, and why not have 'white police officers association' But quite simply, it isn't needed as there are no specific community based problems for that officer due to him or her being 'white'
Hope that helps a bit, and incidentally I have not witnessed racism in the force (or service as it is now).
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