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anonymous-user

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55 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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(yes it hurt my brain) how do stars/the sun burn in space with no oxygen?

Marf

22,907 posts

242 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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Nuclear fusion doesnt require oxygen.

anonymous-user

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55 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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Why?

davepoth

29,395 posts

200 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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PSBuckshot said:
Why?
Because fusion isn't oxidisation.

Marf

22,907 posts

242 months

Simpo Two

85,754 posts

266 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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There are chemical reactions (where elements just swap about to make different molecules) and nuclear reactions (where elements are changed into different elements). This can either be fusion - small atoms joining together, or fission - large elements splitting up.

Thought this was schoolboy stuff?

Jinx

11,407 posts

261 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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I suspect it is confusion with the word Burn when it doesn't refer to combustion. The sun is a fusion reaction not a combustion reaction.

ewenm

28,506 posts

246 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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PSBuckshot said:
(yes it hurt my brain) how do stars/the sun burn in space with no oxygen?
Stars don't "burn".

Edit to be more helpful: The primary reaction in a star is Hydrogen atoms fusing into Helium atoms and releasing energy in the form of heat and light. Hence it's called nuclear fusion, not combustion.


Edited by ewenm on Friday 10th February 14:17

R300will

3,799 posts

152 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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Simpo Two said:
There are chemical reactions (where elements just swap about to make different molecules) and nuclear reactions (where elements are changed into different elements). This can either be fusion - small atoms joining together, or fission - large elements splitting up.

Thought this was schoolboy stuff?
Steady on i can see where the misunderstanding came from, to be fair they do call the sun a giant ball of fire making it seem like combustion which you are far more likely to experience than fusion.

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

199 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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ewenm said:
PSBuckshot said:
(yes it hurt my brain) how do stars/the sun burn in space with no oxygen?
Stars don't "burn".

Edit to be more helpful: The primary reaction in a star is Hydrogen atoms fusing into Helium atoms and releasing energy in the form of heat and light. Hence it's called nuclear fusion, not combustion.


Edited by ewenm on Friday 10th February 14:17
Rubbish - if that was the case all the helium would float off into space as it's lighter than...Ahh.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

55 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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ewenm said:
Stars don't "burn".

Edit to be more helpful: The primary reaction in a star is Hydrogen atoms fusing into Helium atoms and releasing energy in the form of heat and light. Hence it's called nuclear fusion, not combustion.


Edited by ewenm on Friday 10th February 14:17
I know this but I did think they were flames coming off the stars. Thats the bit that confused me.

Slagathore

5,824 posts

193 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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There was a program on last night that had a bit of this at the beginning.

Can't remember what it was called, but it had James May presenting it.

Might be worth a watch.

Shaolin

2,955 posts

190 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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PSBuckshot said:
I know this but I did think they were flames coming off the stars. Thats the bit that confused me.
They are "flames" coming off the stars. Flames are caused by charged particles such as ions and electrons falling from high to low electron shells and therefore energy levels emmitting light as they do so. So it is fire - but with a different cause.

anonymous-user

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55 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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Slagathore said:
There was a program on last night that had a bit of this at the beginning.

Can't remember what it was called, but it had James May presenting it.

Might be worth a watch.
Anyone know what he's talking about?
I'd like to watch smile

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

199 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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Shaolin said:
PSBuckshot said:
I know this but I did think they were flames coming off the stars. Thats the bit that confused me.
They are "flames" coming off the stars. Flames are caused by charged particles such as ions and electrons falling from high to low electron shells and therefore energy levels emmitting light as they do so. So it is fire - but with a different cause.
So not phlogiston then?

Slagathore

5,824 posts

193 months

Friday 10th February 2012
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PSBuckshot said:
Anyone know what he's talking about?
I'd like to watch smile
Just had a quick Google.

It's called 'James May's Things You Need To Know. 10pm on Thursdays on BBC2

nick heppinstall

8,097 posts

281 months

Saturday 11th February 2012
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Sun fact. It burns around 600 million tons of Hydrogen per second. I really have trouble getting my head around these numbers ! Every second !!!!

Eric Mc

122,163 posts

266 months

Saturday 11th February 2012
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And it's not even a big star.

R300will

3,799 posts

152 months

Saturday 11th February 2012
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And it gets 6 tons lighter every second i believe nerd

Simpo Two

85,754 posts

266 months

Saturday 11th February 2012
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Nothing is burning. It's just a big controlled hydrogen bomb fusing hydrogen to helium and the lost mass is given off as energy (e=mc2).

To give the idea of the difference in power between a chemical reaction and a nuclear reaction, I heard once that if you converted all the matter in a matchstick into energy, it would raise Mt Everest by an inch. Can't do the maths though; maybe another Pher can?