Petrol Tanker Drivers

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Cock Womble 7

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29,908 posts

232 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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You know, the ones that are about to go on strike because of pay and conditions.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't they amongst the highest paid Class 1 drivers on the roads?

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

169 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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Cock Womble 7 said:
You know, the ones that are about to go on strike because of pay and conditions.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't they amongst the highest paid Class 1 drivers on the roads?
That's because they know that if they go on strike everyone panics

timbob

2,112 posts

254 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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Is it about their pay and conditions, or is it about the general conditions enforced upon "the motorist" by high petrol duty that they're striking over? It's a little unclear in the news reports...

Cock Womble 7

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29,908 posts

232 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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Willy Nilly said:
That's because they know that if they go on strike everyone panics
It's OK, they're bringing the Army in.


Edited by Cock Womble 7 on Monday 26th March 18:09

Cock Womble 7

Original Poster:

29,908 posts

232 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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timbob said:
Is it about their pay and conditions, or is it about the general conditions enforced upon "the motorist" by high petrol duty that they're striking over? It's a little unclear in the news reports...
Officially, it's about "safety and working conditions", but it'll be about pay.

It's always about pay.

Panda76

2,578 posts

152 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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I've not looked into this with great detail,it's almost impossible to with the headlines being 45k this and that and not much else.
As I understand it they are balloting for strike action as they are seeing reductions in the terms and conditions and the pensions being fiddled with ?
I've read that quite a few OD's with ADR have been in on the act too since the last lot of strikes.

I do think they need to tread carefully,they and unite will see them out of a job if they are not careful.

I'm not sure what the government are thinking either claiming that 300 drivers from the MOD can do 90% of the work of 2000 drivers.It's not going to happen.
I've said it in another thread,only essential and emergency services will see fuel.Anyone else will see it dry up if the strikes are on for a while.

Justin Cyder

12,624 posts

151 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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Tankers is generally coveted work - no nights out, pallets or curtains/sheets to deal with. It's also pretty responsible stuff driving a huge bomb around & it's rewarded commensurately. I suspect it's Unite stirring it up with Dave as much as anything else.

6fire

406 posts

153 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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Cock Womble 7 said:
It's OK, they're bringing the Army in.


Edited by Cock Womble 7 on Monday 26th March 18:09
Using what equipment? They'll have to be familiarised on type for the wagons if they're using civvi wagons - during the fire strikes that wasn't allowed to happen. If it's using military kit, I'd assume it's all set up for diesel or avgas, is there any difference if you have to carry petrol? Can the military kit pump to civvi fuel stations?

Still hopefully 'call me Dave' will break the unions. They've been allowed to get too strong again.

Panda76

2,578 posts

152 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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Unite is only strong when it can jump on a jolly old band wagon such as this.Fuel=essential service.

For your usual run of the mill problems that won't make headlines they are pretty weak imo.Or it's more they are not interested.

Flawless Victory

441 posts

167 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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6fire said:
Using what equipment? They'll have to be familiarised on type for the wagons if they're using civvi wagons - during the fire strikes that wasn't allowed to happen. If it's using military kit, I'd assume it's all set up for diesel or avgas, is there any difference if you have to carry petrol? Can the military kit pump to civvi fuel stations?
Petrol isn't pumped...it's gravity fed.

v64paul

120 posts

223 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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The squaddies will be getting the right sort of training, the terminal staff would'nt let them near the loading racks if they did'nt know what was what. As for driving a bomb, i remember an old timer who used to haul caustic soda at elevated temperature. If it was'nt corrosive enough the heat would do a job on you anyway. Despite safety gear, he was always covered in burns. Lots of other dangerous stuff around, Phenol causes skin suffocation; amputation of the affected part is the only cure if treatment is'nt recieved fast. LPG in bulk, freeze burns and goes bang readily. These guys never get a mention as it's not as high profile. Personally i fix the trucks and i get up close and personal with the product for even less money plus i get to buy my own tools to do it with. And you think Stobarts drivers took all the risks...

Life Saab Itch

37,068 posts

190 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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As has been said above; I hope Dave breaks the unions over this.

Is there any way that one could volunteer to be put through the ADR training to become a relief driver for them?

Free training and poking Unite in the eye? I'll have me some of that. hehe


LSI - not a union member.

R0G

4,987 posts

157 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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Apparently, the companies are using cheaper agency drivers and this is not on according to the regular drivers

SonicShadow

2,452 posts

156 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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R0G said:
Apparently, the companies are using cheaper agency drivers and this is not on according to the regular drivers
Why not? They are a company, and if they can save money somewhere, they will.

Panda76

2,578 posts

152 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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Its true rog,there is a whole market of drivers out there desperate for work of any kind.
As much as the fuel drivers might not like it the inflated bubble might be about to burst.
Fuel tankers is a well known "protected" job and a case of if your face fits and you fit in is the underlying tone.

Since working at the airports years ago I have hunted for aircraft refuelling jobs locally,they are almost impossible to get on.
Its who you know with that game.

I,ve seen the bubble burst on "protected" jobs before.

I already said it up there,if they aren't careful they will do themselves out of a job.

R0G

4,987 posts

157 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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Very true Panda

The rest of this industry has been blighted by those willing to drive an artic for as little as the minimum wage - I've seen the ads !!

Humper

946 posts

164 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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Used o do aircraft refuelling, as an agency driver, not on the BP payscale, and left with every stty shift going. Can't say my heart's bleeding for them.

Panda76

2,578 posts

152 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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R0G said:
Very true Panda

The rest of this industry has been blighted by those willing to drive an artic for as little as the minimum wage - I've seen the ads !!
At the other end of the scale my place of work is ditching Agency because it costs too much lol..


Dan_1981

17,424 posts

201 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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Used to plan for BOC doing bulk tanker work, liquid oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen etc - the drivers there were on a pretty good pay - but they still lusted after the fuel tanker jobs.

Justin Cyder

12,624 posts

151 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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When I planned for the supermarkets, our experience of agency drivers was that it was an expensive way to smash your units & trailers up.