Staggering premium for 993 'S' models
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deutscher said:
There are plenty of decent 993s around in the low £20ks, but the 'S' version of the same model in equivalent condition seems to command a £10k premium - isn't that rather a lot for hardback seats, flared arches and stiffer suspension?
And the 's' version doesnt drive as well imo as the standard car.It looks a lot better though so that must be it,plus you can try and fool your mates that its a Turbo if you bolt a few bits on
I agree there is a substantial premium but only for the lower mileage cars in top condition. The prices these are commanding have been very strong over the last 4 years or so, with little depreciation. Anything with higher miles and the line between 's' and narrow body becomes more blurred. When i was looking for mine the cheapest i came across was a 2s with 50k, fsh and hpi clear which i know was sold for £19,000, but it was ROUGH. The former owner was an enthusiast for the gentleman's solitary pursuit i suspect!
Agreed that they do seem to cost more without actually offering much more, if anything, in the way of driver appeal. I bought a very nice 993 C2S as my first Porsche three years ago. I guess I just like the the way it looked compared to a narrow car. Knowing what I do now I probably would have enjoyed driving the narrow car more and maybe I would have kept it for longer. I paid what I thought was top money at the time to our friendy 'virgin' dealer. However, it was the best exampe I could find and I was lucky enough so sell onto another well known dealer for more money after a year in my care. Happy days and a loverly car - to look at!
ETTORE SAID
The earlier fatboy supersports are no premium over the boggo 3.2 so I suspect that this phenomena will fade away.[/quote]
Don't be daft the earlier widebodied whether 3.2 or the 964 are worth more than the narrow bodied end of story, look in the magazines pal.
89 3.2 in excellent cond 12-17k
89 3.2 Supersport excellent cond 15-23k
providing good examples of both with good histories and low mileage.
People pay the premium because the fatboys look so much better even if in some peoples opinion they do not drive as well.
So don't know where you've picked up this info
The earlier fatboy supersports are no premium over the boggo 3.2 so I suspect that this phenomena will fade away.[/quote]
Don't be daft the earlier widebodied whether 3.2 or the 964 are worth more than the narrow bodied end of story, look in the magazines pal.
89 3.2 in excellent cond 12-17k
89 3.2 Supersport excellent cond 15-23k
providing good examples of both with good histories and low mileage.
People pay the premium because the fatboys look so much better even if in some peoples opinion they do not drive as well.
So don't know where you've picked up this info
Edited by ED965 on Wednesday 1st November 18:17
Edited by ED965 on Wednesday 1st November 19:21
Edited by ED965 on Wednesday 1st November 19:23
The really strong prices seems to be for low mileage manual varioram models with a decent exterior and interior colour. In this market all the variants are rare and prices between them are closer than you might think. All comes down to condition.
You can pay as much for a C2 Coupe in this market as for an 'S'. How many 20-30K miles varioram C2 Coupes in a decent colour do you see for sale? Hardly any as they are starting to sell by word of mouth.
Within a couple of years any of these cars in this sort of condition will be very hard to find.
Ian.
You can pay as much for a C2 Coupe in this market as for an 'S'. How many 20-30K miles varioram C2 Coupes in a decent colour do you see for sale? Hardly any as they are starting to sell by word of mouth.
Within a couple of years any of these cars in this sort of condition will be very hard to find.
Ian.
Each to their own. For me the ultimate 993, at least for the road is a 993C2. Nice to read on the 996TT vs 993TT articles that the reviewer agreed, even comparing the C2 to an RS.
17" wheels, preferably Varioram on the shorter G21 gearbox make noticably quicker than other cooking variants. Great fun and you don't have to be a hero to get the back out..
I do like the look of S variants and can certainly understand the appeal, though they are not for me.
17" wheels, preferably Varioram on the shorter G21 gearbox make noticably quicker than other cooking variants. Great fun and you don't have to be a hero to get the back out..
I do like the look of S variants and can certainly understand the appeal, though they are not for me.
Edited by abarber on Wednesday 1st November 18:54
ian_uk said:
The really strong prices seems to be for low mileage manual varioram models with a decent exterior and interior colour. In this market all the variants are rare and prices between them are closer than you might think. All comes down to condition.
You can pay as much for a C2 Coupe in this market as for an 'S'. How many 20-30K miles varioram C2 Coupes in a decent colour do you see for sale? Hardly any as they are starting to sell by word of mouth.
Within a couple of years any of these cars in this sort of condition will be very hard to find.
Ian.
You can pay as much for a C2 Coupe in this market as for an 'S'. How many 20-30K miles varioram C2 Coupes in a decent colour do you see for sale? Hardly any as they are starting to sell by word of mouth.
Within a couple of years any of these cars in this sort of condition will be very hard to find.
Ian.
Whilst I appreciate that good examples will always command a premium price, I still feel that the original posters assertion of a 10K price gap still holds water.
I personally paid that premium a few years ago and still feel like I derived good value from the extra money spent and like many others would do so again at the drop of a hat.
The wide body 993 rear is just the most beautiful thing on the planet and when combined with the non-turbo noise it is my idea of motoring perfection. The upgraded big red brakes and turbo suspension are better than I currently need from a driving talent viewpoint, but if I ever got good enough enough on the track they would certainly not be cheap upgrades.
Ian D
ian_dorrian said:
ian_uk said:
The really strong prices seems to be for low mileage manual varioram models with a decent exterior and interior colour. In this market all the variants are rare and prices between them are closer than you might think. All comes down to condition.
You can pay as much for a C2 Coupe in this market as for an 'S'. How many 20-30K miles varioram C2 Coupes in a decent colour do you see for sale? Hardly any as they are starting to sell by word of mouth.
Within a couple of years any of these cars in this sort of condition will be very hard to find.
Ian.
You can pay as much for a C2 Coupe in this market as for an 'S'. How many 20-30K miles varioram C2 Coupes in a decent colour do you see for sale? Hardly any as they are starting to sell by word of mouth.
Within a couple of years any of these cars in this sort of condition will be very hard to find.
Ian.
Whilst I appreciate that good examples will always command a premium price, I still feel that the original posters assertion of a 10K price gap still holds water.
I personally paid that premium a few years ago and still feel like I derived good value from the extra money spent and like many others would do so again at the drop of a hat.
The wide body 993 rear is just the most beautiful thing on the planet and when combined with the non-turbo noise it is my idea of motoring perfection. The upgraded big red brakes and turbo suspension are better than I currently need from a driving talent viewpoint, but if I ever got good enough enough on the track they would certainly not be cheap upgrades.
Ian D
They don't have turbo suspension, just M030. The cheapo Monroe shocks are not exactly long lived either. The Turbo also has different roll bars etc.
Yes the big reds are nice to have, but the standard stuff is not exactly lacking.
I sense a tiny tad of envy in some parts of this thread. Its like the 964 threads when everyone says they're shite, they leak, the dmfs fail and so on - total bollos like that - and they would all buy one but they're too expensive. Get a life.
Edited to add. 993C4S 76750 miles and rising and I don't give a s**t about the value.
Edited to add. 993C4S 76750 miles and rising and I don't give a s**t about the value.
Edited by richardlw on Wednesday 1st November 19:44
Whilst you are right that Monroe did the cheapo suspension the code is actually M033 and the differing roll bars you mention are a factory options for £480 (which my car has).
Agree standard brakes not lacking and maybe I could have just painted the standard calipers red, but hey this is missing the point, I PERSONALLY wanted a C4S, am happy with the car I bought and the value I derived from the premium I paid and would happily pay again.
I do not think I am alone in this respect and a quick check of the classified ads for cars of similar profile still show a substantial premium.
Anyway I ain't selling, I love it too much...62,000 miles and rising...
Agree standard brakes not lacking and maybe I could have just painted the standard calipers red, but hey this is missing the point, I PERSONALLY wanted a C4S, am happy with the car I bought and the value I derived from the premium I paid and would happily pay again.
I do not think I am alone in this respect and a quick check of the classified ads for cars of similar profile still show a substantial premium.
Anyway I ain't selling, I love it too much...62,000 miles and rising...
ian_dorrian said:
Whilst you are right that Monroe did the cheapo suspension the code is actually M033 and the differing roll bars you mention are a factory options for £480 (which my car has).
Agree standard brakes not lacking and maybe I could have just painted the standard calipers red, but hey this is missing the point, I PERSONALLY wanted a C4S, am happy with the car I bought and the value I derived from the premium I paid and would happily pay again.
I do not think I am alone in this respect and a quick check of the classified ads for cars of similar profile still show a substantial premium.
Anyway I ain't selling, I love it too much...62,000 miles and rising...
Agree standard brakes not lacking and maybe I could have just painted the standard calipers red, but hey this is missing the point, I PERSONALLY wanted a C4S, am happy with the car I bought and the value I derived from the premium I paid and would happily pay again.
I do not think I am alone in this respect and a quick check of the classified ads for cars of similar profile still show a substantial premium.
Anyway I ain't selling, I love it too much...62,000 miles and rising...
Great cars, all of them! Enjoy.
No plans to sell mine either - 66k and counting!
abarber said:
The premium whilst still there is seems to be only 5k or less for similar condition models though, seems to be less than before as said above.
Sorry, but the premium IS £10k.
You see low mileage 993 4Ss in the high £30ks, but no way is a cooking low mileage 4 going to get within £10k of that.
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