Simply stated, difference between GT2 and GT3...?

[freemax]

This is a rather big picture question for a change and a newbie question as well...

What is the main difference between a GT2 and a GT3 in technical terms, what type of people/driving style is each targeted to, and how do they differ in touch and feel? What if "RS" comes in...?

And then the bonus question for lateral thinkers (!) - how do they differ from a Carrera 3.2 in terms of the driving experience?

Thanks!

[verysideways]

GT2 is a turbo with more power, less weight, and rwd only, suitable for crossing vast distances very quickly and comfortably but still 'exciting' (much like swimming naked with a shark would be 'exciting')

GT3 is a stiffly sprung, high revving, naturally aspirated, track day weapon still very useable on the road

GT3RS is as above but stiffer, harder, more track biased

None of them is anything like a 3.2, things have moved on a great deal

[andy tims]

freemax said:

And then the bonus question for lateral thinkers (!) - how do they differ from a Carrera 3.2 in terms of the driving experience?

Can't comment on 996GT2, but the GT3 is almost nothing like a 3.2 to drive except they both make a great noise when revved hard & both have the engine in the back / RWD

[kayc]

freemax said:

This is a rather big picture question for a change and a newbie question as well...

What is the main difference between a GT2 and a GT3 in technical terms, what type of people/driving style is each targeted to, and how do they differ in touch and feel? What if "RS" comes in...?

And then the bonus question for lateral thinkers (!) - how do they differ from a Carrera 3.2 in terms of the driving experience?

Thanks!

Gt2 really quick and a liitle ungainly,Gt3 beautifully balanced and sorted however will disappoint gruntwise if you drive a tt/gt2 first..imo of course.

[simonharrod911]

kayc said:

freemax said:

This is a rather big picture question for a change and a newbie question as well...

What is the main difference between a GT2 and a GT3 in technical terms, what type of people/driving style is each targeted to, and how do they differ in touch and feel? What if "RS" comes in...?

And then the bonus question for lateral thinkers (!) - how do they differ from a Carrera 3.2 in terms of the driving experience?

Thanks!

Gt2 really quick and a liitle ungainly,Gt3 beautifully balanced and sorted however will disappoint gruntwise if you drive a tt/gt2 first..imo of course.

Most of what you post on here is technically accurate, so I'm not after an argument. Ungainly?????????????????? Please explain.

[AndrewKillington]

freemax said:

This is a rather big picture question for a change and a newbie question as well...

What is the main difference between a GT2 and a GT3 in technical terms, what type of people/driving style is each targeted to, and how do they differ in touch and feel? What if "RS" comes in...?

And then the bonus question for lateral thinkers (!) - how do they differ from a Carrera 3.2 in terms of the driving experience?

Thanks!

RS is more compliant on the road than the GT3 IMO

[simonharrod911]

Having owned a 3.2 Carrera and a GT2 I can assure it's night/day. I love the older air cooled cars, and I think there's a lot about them which is sadly missing in the newer cars, however the 996 is light years ahead.

The GT3 (as has already been said) is probably one of the best 911s ever produced in terms of driving grins and precision. The sound is out of this world, they are just amazing.

The GT2 is just explosive. The raw power when it comes on boost is so addictive I've cancelled my 997GT3 order. I'm sure the 997GT3 is a better all round car, and it sounds infinitely better, but THAT push in the back. I can't go back. The only way now is more power in mine, or something outrageous like a Diablo(thanks Jon!!!).

[freemax]

simonharrod911 said:

Having owned a 3.2 Carrera and a GT2 I can assure it's night/day. I love the older air cooled cars, and I think there's a lot about them which is sadly missing in the newer cars, however the 996 is light years ahead.

That's probably spot on Simon, thanks. My "lateral thinker question" was came up when 'comparing' my own Carrera 3.2 with a friend's 997 4S. I love driving the 3.2 and for me it falls into the 'joyful event' category, i.e. I enjoy the drive while I am at it as well as before and after.

In the more or less distant future, I would probably want to upgrade on safety with better brakes, airbags and all that comes with it, without losing the 'event' feel of a very pure, direct and involving driving experience. I thought that maybe a GT could fit that bill.

Hence my question for a 'comparison' between two completely different cars...

[simonharrod911]

freemax said:

simonharrod911 said:

Having owned a 3.2 Carrera and a GT2 I can assure it's night/day. I love the older air cooled cars, and I think there's a lot about them which is sadly missing in the newer cars, however the 996 is light years ahead.

I would probably want to upgrade on safety with better brakes, airbags and all that comes with it

I wouldn't go from a 3.2 to a GT2 on safety grounds. The GT2 will out brake a Carrera with ease, unfortunately you're going into bends with another 100mph to take off! I've had more suck through the teeth moments with the 996 than the 3.2.

There is one pure, junvenile, immature, but overwhelming reason to buy a GT2. Racing BIG bikes, and winning. They really don't like it.

[kayc]

simonharrod911 said:

kayc said:

freemax said:

This is a rather big picture question for a change and a newbie question as well...

What is the main difference between a GT2 and a GT3 in technical terms, what type of people/driving style is each targeted to, and how do they differ in touch and feel? What if "RS" comes in...?

And then the bonus question for lateral thinkers (!) - how do they differ from a Carrera 3.2 in terms of the driving experience?

Thanks!

Gt2 really quick and a liitle ungainly,Gt3 beautifully balanced and sorted however will disappoint gruntwise if you drive a tt/gt2 first..imo of course.

Most of what you post on here is technically accurate, so I'm not after an argument. Ungainly?????????????????? Please explain.

The GT2 i drove was awesome,but as much as a parachute jump is awesome...i would feel very uncomfortable driving a gt2 really quick in anything other than perfect conditions because they behave badly unless mastered properly.Its very similar to the early jap bikes,ballistic machines but clearly not totally sorted as an allround package..power is no use without grip and handling.When i was spinning the back wheels at 90mph in the wet in the gt2 i was thinking this isnt right...its dangerous and not quick.My point is a GT3 wouldnt do that.

[testarossa]

I don't know whether a big fat racing bike is a big fat racing bike, but I always give a nod of approval to them and they have mutual respect back.

Or they think because I have R1 on my number plate I have a bike too!

The GT2 is just one of those cars that gets respect, probably because it doesn't let you get away with "showing off" unless you're Lonman!

[Oddball RS]

"because they behave badly unless mastered properly"

"When i was spinning the back wheels at 90mph in the wet in the gt2"


What could i possibly say to add to this????

[kayc]

Oddball RS said:

"because they behave badly unless mastered properly"

"When i was spinning the back wheels at 90mph in the wet in the gt2"


What could i possibly say to add to this????

Perhaps you could add that a tt,evo,subaru,rs4, etc in the same circumstance wouldnt have been ..and hence would be travelling much faster...twat.

[superlightr]

kayc said:

Oddball RS said:

"because they behave badly unless mastered properly"

"When i was spinning the back wheels at 90mph in the wet in the gt2"


What could i possibly say to add to this????

Perhaps you could add that a tt,evo,subaru,rs4, etc in the same circumstance wouldnt have been ..and hence would be travelling much faster...twat.

dont bet on it - tt's will spin off the road just as nicely.

Brakes - I bet a GT2 and any other 996 or 993 will stop within inches of each other, ceramic or otherwise.

[kayc]

superlightr said:

kayc said:

Oddball RS said:

"because they behave badly unless mastered properly"

"When i was spinning the back wheels at 90mph in the wet in the gt2"


What could i possibly say to add to this????

Perhaps you could add that a tt,evo,subaru,rs4, etc in the same circumstance wouldnt have been ..and hence would be travelling much faster...twat.

dont bet on it - tt's will spin off the road just as nicely.

Brakes - I bet a GT2 and any other 996 or 993 will stop within inches of each other, ceramic or otherwise.

You wrong,a tt with 4wd,420bhp,psm,1560kg has a lot more wet grip than a 2wd,no traction control,no psm ,200kg lighter car with 40bhp more gt2..the two cars bear little resemblance to each other and wet conditions highlight this most.

Edited by kayc on Thursday 2nd November 16:36

[verysideways]

Ted - when are you going to add the popcorn smiley??

[freemax]

simonharrod911 said:

I wouldn't go from a 3.2 to a GT2 on safety grounds. (...) I've had more suck through the teeth moments with the 996 than the 3.2.

Simon - can I conclude then that the opposite holds and that a GT3 would then be a better next step as it offers less of a chance to kill myself or others in the process of me getting used to a bit more power...



What steps have others on here made when they moved on from a happy Carrera 3.2 ownership?

Assume the car will not need to be particularly practical (no shopping or commuting) and mostly used on public roads...? I'm thinking 'real experience' rather than "if I could make a wish"...

[verysideways]

GT3

[DucatiGary]

GT2

both can be used daily no problems, for the "real thrill" it has to be GT2.

Edited by DucatiGary on Thursday 2nd November 17:06

[Pugsey]

kayc said:

superlightr said:

kayc said:

Oddball RS said:

"because they behave badly unless mastered properly"

"When i was spinning the back wheels at 90mph in the wet in the gt2"


What could i possibly say to add to this????

Perhaps you could add that a tt,evo,subaru,rs4, etc in the same circumstance wouldnt have been ..and hence would be travelling much faster...twat.

dont bet on it - tt's will spin off the road just as nicely.

Brakes - I bet a GT2 and any other 996 or 993 will stop within inches of each other, ceramic or otherwise.

You wrong,a tt with 4wd,420bhp,psm,1560kg has a lot more wet grip than a 2wd,no traction control,no psm ,200kg lighter car with 40bhp more gt2..the two cars bear little resemblance to each other and wet conditions highlight this most.

Edited by kayc on Thursday 2nd November 16:36