"Nerdy "observations on 911 & P World RUF Yellowbird article
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Just read this and have a few questions.
Article states original cars were based on 3.2 Carrera shells, but when these were no longer available 964 shells were utilised instead.
The writer goes on to say the subject of the article is based on a 1990 964 shell.
If this is so how can the early RUF/Speedline heavily offset 17" wheels be fitted to the later 964 suspension. I thought the earlier cars wheel offsets were not ABS geometry friendly (though this car has no ABS) ?
Does the 964 shell retain the torsion bar/trailing arm mount blanking plugs which can clearly be seen in the pictures of the car on page 40-41 ? (though these would normally be hidden by the "sharks fins" on a 964)
The picture of the front compartment (page42) shows a gaping chasm where the fuel tank should be ?
The gearlever /transmission tunnel appears to be from the 3.2 Carrera shell ?
The dash does look like that fitted to a 964 (central dash vents)
The writer states the engine bay looks spacious due to the intercoolers being mounted, and I quote "behind the rear wheels with the turbos and pipework beneath", yet the picture of the engine bay on page 42 appears to show one of the cars intercoolers to the right of the engine (I apologise if this is an oil cooler)
Lastly, the author states the Pirelli P6000 tyres "impart appropriate levels of grip apart from when excessive amounts of throttle are deployed". The picture on page 40 shows the car to be wearing some "interesting" P Zero Corsas ? (P Zero can be read on the sidewall if you turn the page upside down and look at the front tyre carefully ?
Sorry if this all sounds a bit "nerdish" but sloppy articles compiled with what appears to be inaccurate information really makes by p*ss boil....................
So, is this really a 964 shell ? (or a 3.2 shell with a 964 dash)
AdamT this could be your finest hour .......................
And for the record, I'm not considering buying it
Article states original cars were based on 3.2 Carrera shells, but when these were no longer available 964 shells were utilised instead.
The writer goes on to say the subject of the article is based on a 1990 964 shell.
If this is so how can the early RUF/Speedline heavily offset 17" wheels be fitted to the later 964 suspension. I thought the earlier cars wheel offsets were not ABS geometry friendly (though this car has no ABS) ?
Does the 964 shell retain the torsion bar/trailing arm mount blanking plugs which can clearly be seen in the pictures of the car on page 40-41 ? (though these would normally be hidden by the "sharks fins" on a 964)
The picture of the front compartment (page42) shows a gaping chasm where the fuel tank should be ?
The gearlever /transmission tunnel appears to be from the 3.2 Carrera shell ?
The dash does look like that fitted to a 964 (central dash vents)
The writer states the engine bay looks spacious due to the intercoolers being mounted, and I quote "behind the rear wheels with the turbos and pipework beneath", yet the picture of the engine bay on page 42 appears to show one of the cars intercoolers to the right of the engine (I apologise if this is an oil cooler)
Lastly, the author states the Pirelli P6000 tyres "impart appropriate levels of grip apart from when excessive amounts of throttle are deployed". The picture on page 40 shows the car to be wearing some "interesting" P Zero Corsas ? (P Zero can be read on the sidewall if you turn the page upside down and look at the front tyre carefully ?
Sorry if this all sounds a bit "nerdish" but sloppy articles compiled with what appears to be inaccurate information really makes by p*ss boil....................
So, is this really a 964 shell ? (or a 3.2 shell with a 964 dash)
AdamT this could be your finest hour .......................
And for the record, I'm not considering buying it
Interesting, sounds like they managed to make it into a crap article.
To my knowledge, there are only 2 CTR's in existence with a 964 Shell. And these were totally bespoke and built by Ruf but had Porsche Vins. One was white and the other was black, they were recently for sale in america (two years ago i think).
They were bought by a father and son, who used them for hillclimbs. Also i believe that the engines were further modified, using some 1.5 bar of boost (not sure about this but very possible).
Is the car in the article a red CTR? because there was one with Corsas at the ruf event at hockenheim in the summer which ran corsas..
edit: nope sorry i dont know the car in the article
To my knowledge, there are only 2 CTR's in existence with a 964 Shell. And these were totally bespoke and built by Ruf but had Porsche Vins. One was white and the other was black, they were recently for sale in america (two years ago i think).
They were bought by a father and son, who used them for hillclimbs. Also i believe that the engines were further modified, using some 1.5 bar of boost (not sure about this but very possible).
Is the car in the article a red CTR? because there was one with Corsas at the ruf event at hockenheim in the summer which ran corsas..
edit: nope sorry i dont know the car in the article
Edited by adamt on Thursday 1st February 13:23
doog said:
I find most Porsche magazines are a bit on the sloppy side..
Yeah, but 911 & PW really takes it to extremes. "Johnny" Tippler's recent 944 buyer's guide was an absolute peach. I could forgive the 36 point size typo of "994" were the article not to go on to state categorically that the 1986 16 valve 2.7 was one of the best Porsche water-cooled engines ever made. If it's so good, "Johnny", can I have one to fit in my '88 924S, please?
Or there was a Boxster "pull-out" with one of the editions last year, which managed to contadict itself about four times, the best being that a 996 does/does not look identical to a Boxster from the front in about two paragraphs.
Before I go out a bit more, I may need to renew the subscription to "Excellence"...
adamt said:
Interesting, sounds like they managed to make it into a crap article.
To my knowledge, there are only 2 CTR's in existence with a 964 Shell. And these were totally bespoke and built by Ruf but had Porsche Vins. One was white and the other was black, they were recently for sale in america (two years ago i think).
They were bought by a father and son, who used them for hillclimbs. Also i believe that the engines were further modified, using some 1.5 bar of boost (not sure about this but very possible).
Is the car in the article a red CTR? because there was one with Corsas at the ruf event at hockenheim in the summer which ran corsas..
edit: nope sorry i dont know the car in the article
To my knowledge, there are only 2 CTR's in existence with a 964 Shell. And these were totally bespoke and built by Ruf but had Porsche Vins. One was white and the other was black, they were recently for sale in america (two years ago i think).
They were bought by a father and son, who used them for hillclimbs. Also i believe that the engines were further modified, using some 1.5 bar of boost (not sure about this but very possible).
Is the car in the article a red CTR? because there was one with Corsas at the ruf event at hockenheim in the summer which ran corsas..
edit: nope sorry i dont know the car in the article
Adam, according to the owner Nick Hopkins, (it's the yellow Guernsey car) he rang you to see what you thought of it before purchasing it. The article says you told him to buy it.
It sounds as if the article is as inaccurate as I thought it was...................
Daz It's the March 07 edition
Edited by slippydiff on Thursday 1st February 15:21
slippydiff said:
adamt said:
Oh its Nicks Car! Sure i know this one quite well
Its a very nice one indeed, and very fast. But definetly not built around a 964 shell...
adam
Its a very nice one indeed, and very fast. But definetly not built around a 964 shell...
adam
I was pretty sure the car was based on an earlier 3.2 Carrera shell. Fe*kin sloppy motoring journalism at it's best
!!!!!! Is the Vipergreen H reg in the yellowbird thread [I posted the jpegs on] not a 964 adam?
stuttgartmetal said:
slippydiff said:
adamt said:
Oh its Nicks Car! Sure i know this one quite well
Its a very nice one indeed, and very fast. But definetly not built around a 964 shell...
adam
Its a very nice one indeed, and very fast. But definetly not built around a 964 shell...
adam
I was pretty sure the car was based on an earlier 3.2 Carrera shell. Fe*kin sloppy motoring journalism at it's best
!!!!!! Is the Vipergreen H reg in the yellowbird thread [I posted the jpegs on] not a 964 adam?
Not unequivocal I know SM, but isn't that a 3.2 dash, central air vents, heater controls and gearchange /transmission tunnel ?
P.S. Thanks for the excellent pictures of the car
Edited by slippydiff on Thursday 1st February 21:15
The standard of research in all the Porsche (and I guess other marque) magazines leaves something to be desired, they are particularly bad when they discuss the motorsports heritage of the company. Check the current GT purely Porsche, on page 46 theres a picture that is purported to be of the 908s flat eight, strange the photo clearly has 12 cylindres and the uniquie central cooling fan of a 917 motor.
stuttgartmetal said:
Thanks Slippy,
It all looks very familiar LOL
Its really nice up close, just not £100k nice.
The most impressive thing was the engine compared to mine, and the work needed to prep it like that.
It all looks very familiar LOL
Its really nice up close, just not £100k nice.
The most impressive thing was the engine compared to mine, and the work needed to prep it like that.
Looks superb in VG SM, are you tempted by a cheaper one ?
I appreciate they're rare as hens teeth, custom built from a bare shell and rightly acclaimed for being so quick (even by todays standards) but even the red car (which I saw in the flesh at PCGB a few years ago and it looked fantastic) at circa £65K seems a lot when compared against a 996 GT2?
Adam, the article doesn't sing the cars praises from a handling and braking point of view. Are they really that poor, or is it just that the modern cars are so accomplished in comparison ?
Edited by slippydiff on Thursday 1st February 21:48
Adam,
The two US 964 based CTRs were for Steve and David Beddor. One was black, one was white and they were both raced extensively, in One Lap of America and at Pikes Peak.
There's quite a lot of info on the net about them, including here:
www.race-cars.com/carsold/porsche/1055179148/1055179148ss.htm
The sister car sold at the Barratt Jackson auctions in 2004 for about $60,000:
www.barrett-jackson.com/auctionresults/common/cardetail.asp?id=175174
The two US 964 based CTRs were for Steve and David Beddor. One was black, one was white and they were both raced extensively, in One Lap of America and at Pikes Peak.
There's quite a lot of info on the net about them, including here:
www.race-cars.com/carsold/porsche/1055179148/1055179148ss.htm
The sister car sold at the Barratt Jackson auctions in 2004 for about $60,000:
www.barrett-jackson.com/auctionresults/common/cardetail.asp?id=175174
slippydiff said:
Looks superb in VG SM, are you tempted by a cheaper one ?
C4S or C2S is on my radar at the moment, its just finding the right one.
993'S feel a bit lardy with the dual mass flywheel, however Ive got my eye on a silver 95 Carrera, 2 owner that needs a clutch. If Im lucky enough to get it, Ill put an RS clutch and flywheel in it, thats the best mod for them Ive heard. Im keeping the 3.2, can't sell that, took to long to find, and to sort.
A friend has a Ruf cab thats in body prep, Ill see if he'll let me take some jpegs and put them up.
Los Angeles said:
Not sure if you can expect features editors to be engineers and experts even for a one-marque magazine - naming models is one thing, being a trained mechanic another - it's up to the writer and pic researcher to endorse pics to text. If they get it wrong it's time to look for new contributors. My personal gripe with UK auto rags is they don't pay even if they commission.
Are you serious LA ?
If you condone this kind of inaccurate journalism, (which it seems you are wholeheartedly) I may have a future as a magazine writer yet
Granted my punctuation and spelling might not be up to much. But at least I'd try and get some accurate and factual content in to any articles I wrote.......... Tipler has owned and/or driven many 911 variants (I'd wager a lot more than I had the pleasure of) but can't tell the difference between something as simple as a 3.2 Carrera gearchange/centre console/transmission tunnel and that fitted to a a 964 ?
He's owned both variants for goodness sake !!
He makes reference to a specific tyre brand when clearly the tyre in question isn't that brand, does that not seem a little strange to you ?
I always thought a journos job was to research an article, prior to writing it ?
Edited by slippydiff on Thursday 1st February 22:28
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