Compact drivetrain challenge...

Compact drivetrain challenge...

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BCA

Original Poster:

8,631 posts

258 months

Thursday 27th March 2008
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Right, im after a few suggestions to suitable engine/gearboxes (transverse, preferably with cable gear shift mechanisms to fit in a tiny space:

height 600mm, depth 420mm and width 800mm

any ideas?? It needs to be very narrow, im thinking a 4age is a possible?

All suggestions welcome, even more so if you have some approximate dimensions?

350Matt

3,740 posts

280 months

Thursday 27th March 2008
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bike engine?

how much power / torque do you need?

Matt

BCA

Original Poster:

8,631 posts

258 months

Thursday 27th March 2008
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350Matt said:
bike engine?

how much power / torque do you need?

Matt
No bike engines, need reliable and everyday useable power curves, nothing that revs round to 16k thanks!

As for power, anything north of 120bhp/similar torque will be a useful step up... but it'll have to also be less than 230bhp for traction/stability issues. smile

Deltaf01

1,512 posts

198 months

Thursday 27th March 2008
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3sGTE.

BCA

Original Poster:

8,631 posts

258 months

Thursday 27th March 2008
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Deltaf01 said:
3sGTE.
I believe its too wide/ tall... I know this as someone has fitted one with alot of cutting of the chassis... wink

chuntington101

5,733 posts

237 months

Friday 28th March 2008
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how about the mew sigma engine uused in the Ford KA???

Chris.

stevieturbo

17,293 posts

248 months

Friday 28th March 2008
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Deltaf01 said:
3sGTE.
He said he wanted reliable lol...laugh



Still, I wouldnt overlook bike engines. What about a Goldwing engine ? Suzuki make a 1400cc bike too ( dont recall the name, but a friend has one ).

There are big cc bike engines out there that would have a fair amount of torque, and be far far more compact than any car engine/box combo will ever be.


BCA

Original Poster:

8,631 posts

258 months

Friday 28th March 2008
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Its everyday driveable I want ideally... a BEC is just too much work in traffic or at low speeds, and im not convinced of the clutch life.

I just need some very compact engine/gearbox ideas really, then I'll start comparing figures, making choices, buying up and building a custom subframe... evil

ZZR

913 posts

252 months

Wednesday 2nd April 2008
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Why not look at some of the lower revving (about 8-9k), torquey bike engines, (BMW, Pan Euro, XJR for instance)anything from a touring bike that's large cc with low end torque, you could also supercharge it for even more low end grunt.

As for the clutch, some bikes are now used for vehicle recovery!!

My zzr1200 is still on it's first clutch at 80,000 miles.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

256 months

Tuesday 8th April 2008
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ZZR said:
Why not look at some of the lower revving (about 8-9k), torquey bike engines, (BMW, Pan Euro, XJR for instance)
The ST1300 would be ideal for a reasonably light RWD car I reckon.

cptsideways

13,572 posts

253 months

Tuesday 8th April 2008
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Look at some of the Suzuki/Daihatsu variants, 16v turbo 1.0 - 1.3L 100bhp/L outputs, all alloy blocks. Tiny little lumps, reliable & tuneable

mmm-five

11,280 posts

285 months

Tuesday 8th April 2008
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How about an old VW 1.3 supercharged engine out of the Polo G40 (seemed to be tiny the last time I worked on one) and I've seen them with 160bhp, or even the 1.8 out of the G60 (might be too big) but an easy 200bhp with no turbo lag.

350Matt

3,740 posts

280 months

Tuesday 8th April 2008
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How about the old crossflow? I know its rather ancient but its also pretty small as most pushrod engines would be

Matt

Marf

22,907 posts

242 months

Tuesday 8th April 2008
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cptsideways said:
Look at some of the Suzuki/Daihatsu variants, 16v turbo 1.0 - 1.3L 100bhp/L outputs, all alloy blocks. Tiny little lumps, reliable & tuneable
yes

CB80 3pot DOHC 12valve turbo.

A standard engine with downpipe, exhaust and air filter will easily see 120hp.

130hp if you raise boost to 12psi or so. Forged internals and fat rods as standard.

Put a decent mappable ecu on there, enlarge the throttle body, decent i/c, hybrid turbo running 18psi, bored out throttle body and your talking over 180 horses.

LS7427ci

91 posts

192 months

Tuesday 20th May 2008
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I can do you a transverse LS2 Chevy with a 5 speed box, might be too uch power tho ha ha ha ha.

chuntington101

5,733 posts

237 months

Wednesday 21st May 2008
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LS7427ci said:
I can do you a transverse LS2 Chevy with a 5 speed box, might be too uch power tho ha ha ha ha.
is that the Auto box or can you do a manual one??

LS7427ci

91 posts

192 months

Wednesday 21st May 2008
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Manual. with reverse

chuntington101

5,733 posts

237 months

Wednesday 21st May 2008
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LS7427ci said:
Manual. with reverse
have you got any info on the box?? is it a custom joby you have built??

Chris.

LS7427ci

91 posts

192 months

Wednesday 21st May 2008
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Yes custom build but I do have 25+ on the shelf. Can build you any speed with a load of ratio's.

I did email you?

Cheers Tim

chuntington101

5,733 posts

237 months

Thursday 22nd May 2008
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LS7427ci said:
Yes custom build but I do have 25+ on the shelf. Can build you any speed with a load of ratio's.

I did email you?

Cheers Tim
yeah i got the email mate. thank you very much. looks like it could take a twin turbo big block let alone a LS7! lol

Chris.