5 year old drowns on holiday.
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croyde

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256 months

Sunday 19th May 2013
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2326457/Mo...

Absolutely tragic but what were they thinking. Leaving a 5 year old on her own by a pool.

One of us always kept an eye on the little ones whilst playing in the pool, even the toddler ones.

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RYH64E

7,960 posts

270 months

Sunday 19th May 2013
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croyde said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2326457/Mo...

Absolutely tragic but what were they thinking. Leaving a 5 year old on her own by a pool.

One of us always kept an eye on the little ones whilst playing in the pool, even the toddler ones.

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In these cases it's always someone else's fault. I was listening to the grandmother on the news yesterday saying 'Where were the lifeguards?', I kept thinking 'Where were the parents?'.

funkyrobot

18,789 posts

254 months

Sunday 19th May 2013
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Very sad story.

I find it annoying that they are blaming everyone else though.

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

243 months

Sunday 19th May 2013
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I think you have to make allowances for what people say in grief.

I suppose the only thing worse than losing their child or grandchild will be the inevitable Pistonhead's character asassinations.

Anonamoose

442 posts

161 months

Sunday 19th May 2013
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RYH64E said:
croyde said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2326457/Mo...

Absolutely tragic but what were they thinking. Leaving a 5 year old on her own by a pool.

One of us always kept an eye on the little ones whilst playing in the pool, even the toddler ones.

frown
In these cases it's always someone else's fault. I was listening to the grandmother on the news yesterday saying 'Where were the lifeguards?', I kept thinking 'Where were the parents?'.
I have to agree, especially as apparently there are signs all over that say no lifeguard on duty. Hotels often don't have lifeguards and I'm sure the adults with her would have known this. A very tragic incident and I'm sure it must help the family to find someone external to put the blame onto.

deltaevo16

755 posts

197 months

Sunday 19th May 2013
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croyde said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2326457/Mo...

Absolutely tragic but what were they thinking. Leaving a 5 year old on her own by a pool.

One of us always kept an eye on the little ones whilst playing in the pool, even the toddler ones.

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Indeed who would have thought to leave children alone whilst they went to a Tapas bar ?

anonymous-user

80 months

Sunday 19th May 2013
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The workers get 30 quid a month and there is a high turnover of untrained staff. In a place like this responsibly should always be the parents.

Grenoble

58,540 posts

181 months

Sunday 19th May 2013
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The Spruce goose said:
The workers get 30 quid a month and there is a high turnover of untrained staff. In a place like this responsibly should always be the parents.
Indeed. One should not expect UK standards when one isn't in the UK.

Especially in a country that has just been through civil war. Swimming pool safety will not be high on the "to do" list.

RYH64E

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270 months

Sunday 19th May 2013
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Grenoble said:
Indeed. One should not expect UK standards when one isn't in the UK.
Even in the UK it wouldn't be acceptable to leave a 5 year old playing in a swimming pool without parental supervision.

Grenoble

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181 months

Sunday 19th May 2013
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RYH64E said:
Even in the UK it wouldn't be acceptable to leave a 5 year old playing in a swimming pool without parental supervision.
True. Seems to vary between 8 and 10 to be unsupervised by an adult (16+ in the few I googled)

SeeFive

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259 months

Sunday 19th May 2013
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Without all the details, it sounds like negligent parents blaming everyone else except themselves again. Given that caveat, IMO this is nobody's fault except theirs. It was their child, so they are primarily responsible for her safety. Lifeguards are not baby sitters, so even if they were on site, the parents would be at fault.

What I cannot understand is parents not wanting to share in making their child's holiday the best it can be. There are so many people talking lifeguards, baby-sitters and all sorts of things in the case of this tragedy, and the other one that PH no longer allow us to talk about in Portugal. You would think that such a high profile previous case would lead even the hardest of thinking to understand that bad things can happen to young kids if you are not 100% vigilant, so how come this little girl was left alone at 5 years old?

Also, do they simply get no joy out of their kids and see them to be something that should be pushed aside as soon as possible so their adult life can continue?

RYH64E

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270 months

Sunday 19th May 2013
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10 Pence Short said:
I suppose the only thing worse than losing their child or grandchild will be the inevitable Pistonhead's character asassinations.
That's your idea of worse? Strange.

croyde

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256 months

Sunday 19th May 2013
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I have always been the lifeguard when my kids are playing in the pool, whether at home or on holiday. No way was I trusted my children's welfare to the slicked haired lothario who was more intent on impressing the babes in thongs. Who could blame him really.

My kids my responsibilty, and that's why I always found holidays with pools far from relaxing. 2 of mine are now competent swimmers but the youngest is still yet to learn.

It's the bit where (I presume the mum) says We only went to get some drinks. There were at least two of them, one to get the drinks and one to stand guard.

Poor little girl.

Pesty

42,655 posts

282 months

Sunday 19th May 2013
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SeeFive said:
Without all the details, it sounds like negligent parents blaming everyone else except themselves again. Given that caveat, IMO this is nobody's fault except theirs. It was their child, so they are primarily responsible for her safety. Lifeguards are not baby sitters, so even if they were on site, the parents would be at fault.

What I cannot understand is parents not wanting to share in making their child's holiday the best it can be. There are so many people talking lifeguards, baby-sitters and all sorts of things in the case of this tragedy, and the other one that PH no longer allow us to talk about in Portugal. You would think that such a high profile previous case would lead even the hardest of thinking to understand that bad things can happen to young kids if you are not 100% vigilant, so how come this little girl was left alone at 5 years old?

Also, do they simply get no joy out of their kids and see them to be something that should be pushed aside as soon as possible so their adult life can continue?
Exactly what he said.

Never understood it myself.
at he very first opportunity dump the kids.

Why wouldn't you be in he pool with her.

croyde

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256 months

Sunday 19th May 2013
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This has just made me remember about 10 years ago we had a family holiday in a villa with a pool in France. We only had the one child then and we left her with my dad whilst we went shopping for groceries.

We got back half an hour later and found my dad with his clothes soaked through. He had fallen asleep by the pool and only woke when he heard the frantic splashing of my then 3 year old daughter as she had got out of her depth. He then jumped in and got her out.

Makes it hard for me to trust anyone to look after my kids when water is involved so a lot of money has been spent on lessons, especially as I'm a crap swimmer.

9.3

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218 months

Sunday 19th May 2013
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Should this little girl not have been iin school back in the UK - is it not term time??

Grenoble

58,540 posts

181 months

Sunday 19th May 2013
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9.3 said:
Should this little girl not have been iin school back in the UK - is it not term time??
Less relevant for a 5 year old I think, and may be half term in some areas?

s3fella

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213 months

Sunday 19th May 2013
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Grenoble said:
9.3 said:
Should this little girl not have been iin school back in the UK - is it not term time??
Less relevant for a 5 year old I think, and may be half term in some areas?
Not half term anywhere I know of.

Immaterial though, you can't leave 5 year olds in swimming pools whilst you pop off for bevvies. Why couldn't one parent or adult stay?
I suspect this was not the first time this girl had been left to fend for herself.

Poor girl, but completely the parent's (s'?) fault.

Puggit

49,527 posts

274 months

Monday 20th May 2013
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Another report, in the Sun - seems they have interviewed the parents, and the story hasn't changed.

Why are the parents angry, is this some kind of defence mechanism? I cannot relax on a holiday with a pool, constantly keeping an eye on the kids.

Happy82

15,078 posts

195 months

Monday 20th May 2013
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While I agree that the parents should not have left her unattended, I can understand how parents can think their children are more capable than they are. Still doesn't excuse leaving a five year old alone in the water though frown