MOT Brake Pad Fail - Pics Enclosed
Discussion
Took the E39 for it's annual MOT and it fails on a couple of items, the eyebrow raiser being worn front offside and nearside pads, i.e. less than 1.5mm.
The previous owner had the car serviced just before I bought it (6000 miles ago) and no mention was made by the garage on the state of the pads. Judging by the tome of invoices I recieved from the car and after speaking with them when I bought the car, they are very thorough.
The wear indicator also hadn't flashed up yet.
Not one to be taken for a mug, I've had the wheels off and have found the following;
The first pic is the outside pad and the second and third is the inside pad. The inside pad is difficult to see but it is approximately half of the outside pad. I probably should have taken them out of the caliper but I didn't have any tools to hand. Thoughts?
The previous owner had the car serviced just before I bought it (6000 miles ago) and no mention was made by the garage on the state of the pads. Judging by the tome of invoices I recieved from the car and after speaking with them when I bought the car, they are very thorough.
The wear indicator also hadn't flashed up yet.
Not one to be taken for a mug, I've had the wheels off and have found the following;
The first pic is the outside pad and the second and third is the inside pad. The inside pad is difficult to see but it is approximately half of the outside pad. I probably should have taken them out of the caliper but I didn't have any tools to hand. Thoughts?
simon1987 said:
new discs as well lol, are you metal or just special
Metal? Nope, just skin and bone.The question was whether the pads had less than 1.5mm of material, not whether the discs need changing so I'm not sure what is with the smart arse answers.
No brake imbalance was detected but it does look as if a slider is stuck. I'm going to satisfy my curiosity, take both wheels off and get the pads outs.
Will be interesting to see if the offside looks exactly the same.
Take it somewhere else.
Who said about testers discretion and it not lasting til next time is talking crap. You are tested on the day and the MOT cert says (or used to) that it a 'point in time' test. Like if your tyres are 1.7mm they have to pass, despite the fact they will probably be illegal in a months time. But that is not the point of the test.
Who said about testers discretion and it not lasting til next time is talking crap. You are tested on the day and the MOT cert says (or used to) that it a 'point in time' test. Like if your tyres are 1.7mm they have to pass, despite the fact they will probably be illegal in a months time. But that is not the point of the test.
edo said:
Hard to say on the inside pads, but I would agree they look ok.
I'd be more worried about the discs which look f
ked.
Why? Look fine to me. Not worn that much, yes a bit of rust but such is normal? I'd be more worried about the discs which look f
ked.simon1987 said:
new discs as well lol, are you metal or just special
By the time I would have spent an hour messing with and examining the pads, perhaps deciding they do need changing I wouldn't mess about putting it back together for another couple of thousand miles, those disks are pretty crusty, may well be fine with a clean up but brake bits are cheap, if it's borderline I would rather do them and not have to think about it for a while.Having seen a disk shear off due to someone chancing a final set of pads on old disks, I err on the side of caution.
There seems to be a thread a week about people hoping to get another few miles out of knackered brakes, whether or not the mot man was 100 percent, they need attention very soon.
Tonberry said:
simon1987 said:
new discs as well lol, are you metal or just special
Metal? Nope, just skin and bone.The question was whether the pads had less than 1.5mm of material, not whether the discs need changing so I'm not sure what is with the smart arse answers.
No brake imbalance was detected but it does look as if a slider is stuck. I'm going to satisfy my curiosity, take both wheels off and get the pads outs.
Will be interesting to see if the offside looks exactly the same.
Just a thought, do the testes actually check the pads and discs now, all they used to do was measure the efficiency. They certainly did not remove the wheels in the past.
Maybe an MOT tester would care to comment?
Not a fail if you ask me... If there is more than 1.5 mm remaining it should not fail. Discs look OK as well.
Leave them as they are (if there is the same amount on the other side) and take it back. Ask for form VT17 or download it from here and take it with you.
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/Notice%20of%...
I have recently had this when my mates Mum took her Micra in for Mot. I had serviced it 2 months before and done all the jobs I thought it needed so I was surprised when it failed on...
Brake pads
Front shock absorber inoperative
Exhaust leak
front tyre
I downloaded the form, filled it in and took it back to the station and asked for them to re look at it... At first they argued, so I said fine, lets get VOSA in to arbitrate, I handed him the form... Tem mins later I walked out with a test certificate!
I reported it to VOSA anyway...
Leave them as they are (if there is the same amount on the other side) and take it back. Ask for form VT17 or download it from here and take it with you.
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/Notice%20of%...
I have recently had this when my mates Mum took her Micra in for Mot. I had serviced it 2 months before and done all the jobs I thought it needed so I was surprised when it failed on...
Brake pads
Front shock absorber inoperative
Exhaust leak
front tyre
I downloaded the form, filled it in and took it back to the station and asked for them to re look at it... At first they argued, so I said fine, lets get VOSA in to arbitrate, I handed him the form... Tem mins later I walked out with a test certificate!
I reported it to VOSA anyway...
750turbo said:
Just a thought, do the testes actually check the pads and discs now, all they used to do was measure the efficiency. They certainly did not remove the wheels in the past.
Maybe an MOT tester would care to comment?
Pads and discs are checked but how are we supposed to measure pads that in nine cases out of ten you can't see. Discs can only be failed if they are seriously weakened or broken, pads have to be below 1.5mm but those pads look way above 1.5 mm (although personally I'd be changing them) and the discs look fine.Maybe an MOT tester would care to comment?
my not so inner b@#$%ard enjoyed that. Have a look here. http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/htdocs/index.htm
Cannot find any reference to measuring pad thickness.
As for a testers discretion being crap. Is this not what an "advisory" is? Even though it was not used in this instance.
Cannot find any reference to measuring pad thickness.
As for a testers discretion being crap. Is this not what an "advisory" is? Even though it was not used in this instance.
Technically you are right, if the pad is more than 1.5mm it should be pass/advice. however you had to take the wheel off to inspect the pads, an mot tester is not allowed to remove anything, so can only see what is visible through the wheel. Theyre certainly low enough to warrant replacing even if not down to 1.5mm.
From an mot point of view, legal
From a service point of view, need replacing.
From an mot point of view, legal
From a service point of view, need replacing.
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