Scaffolding lorries, bodywork of scaffold?
Scaffolding lorries, bodywork of scaffold?
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Magog

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2,653 posts

215 months

Monday 20th May 2013
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Followed a scaffolding lorry today that was a flatbed truck with the entire superstructure made up of scaffolding, no restraint to the rear, just a single ratchet strap over each element of the load that I could see, and also estate agent style flags extending outside the main body of the lorry.

My question is, is that actually legal? Is scaffold designed to withstand the loads imposed on it by being used on a vehicle.

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Edited by Magog on Monday 20th May 19:27

Cyberprog

2,313 posts

209 months

Monday 20th May 2013
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I was thinking about the same sort of thing as I followed one up a steep hill this morning. I've never seen them be particularly well strapped down, but I guess if they lost stuff off them on a regular basis, they would...

R0G

5,034 posts

181 months

Monday 20th May 2013
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Never known one to ever lose anything off such but perhaps others have .....


Edited by R0G on Monday 20th May 21:04

streaky

19,311 posts

275 months

Monday 20th May 2013
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As scaffolding is used up to heights of seven storiies - to my recent observation in London, and is used to construct small cranes used to lift up to one ton - again my recent observation in London, I guess it's OK for scaffolding lorries.

Streaky

Blakeatron

2,565 posts

199 months

Monday 20th May 2013
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The poles and boards are pretty rough and it is actually quite hard to slide them straight out - you have to lift them a bit.

Saying that I never follow too closely, just in case

Nickyboy

6,811 posts

260 months

Monday 20th May 2013
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You'll never get anything slide off the back, the natural motion will always be towards the front, even hard acceleration wont provide enough opposite motion to shift them. Same reason plumbers roof pipes don't have caps on the back

carreauchompeur

18,308 posts

230 months

Monday 20th May 2013
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Why not stop them and ask them? Scaffolders are renowned for being calm, friendly folk whilst driving around!

ianrb

1,633 posts

166 months

Monday 20th May 2013
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Nickyboy said:
You'll never get anything slide off the back, the natural motion will always be towards the front, even hard acceleration wont provide enough opposite motion to shift them. Same reason plumbers roof pipes don't have caps on the back
Hmmm. Maybe with a pinch of salt.

About 3 years ago I was following a truck which was loaded with a couple of enormous boulders. Was just lining up for an overtake when one of said boulders bounced out of the back and onto the road, where it made several large indentations! My, how we all laughed about it!

HarryW

15,940 posts

295 months

Monday 20th May 2013
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I always thought you had to provide restraint even for rearward motion in the event of a crash, something like 0.5g comes to mind. Any traffic plod on here care to advise...

northwest monkey

6,370 posts

215 months

Monday 20th May 2013
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Nickyboy said:
You'll never get anything slide off the back, the natural motion will always be towards the front, even hard acceleration wont provide enough opposite motion to shift them. Same reason plumbers roof pipes don't have caps on the back
I've never seen a pipe box that wasn't secured both ends - it wouldn't take much forward motion to get a load of 32mm plastic sliding out the back!

Private Pile

754 posts

221 months

Tuesday 21st May 2013
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carreauchompeur said:
Why not stop them and ask them? Scaffolders are renowned for being calm, friendly folk whilst driving around!
This made me laugh!

GaryGlitter

2,214 posts

209 months

Tuesday 21st May 2013
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Nickyboy said:
You'll never get anything slide off the back, the natural motion will always be towards the front, even hard acceleration wont provide enough opposite motion to shift them. Same reason plumbers roof pipes don't have caps on the back
Beg to differ. I've seen what happens when an unsecured scaffold pole remains at the traffic lights when the truck drives off.

gshughes

1,324 posts

281 months

Tuesday 21st May 2013
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Nickyboy said:
You'll never get anything slide off the back, the natural motion will always be towards the front, even hard acceleration wont provide enough opposite motion to shift them. Same reason plumbers roof pipes don't have caps on the back
What if it drives up a steep hill?

Derek Smith

49,207 posts

274 months

Tuesday 21st May 2013
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Scaffolding poles do slide off the back of lorries. A number have been reported to the police as found int he road..

There is a colour code for scaffolding poles and normally the companies are only too willing to accept them back except when they have fallen off their lorries.

The problem arises, so I was told, with the poor suspension of the lorries. They bounce about a bit and if they are not tied down then this negates any advantages of friction. The legislation does mention a load being secured by more than its own weight.

Loads can shift. There can be few drivers who have not followed a scaffolding lorry that is leaning to one side.

On the morning of the Tour de France run around Brighton some years ago I drove my police car along the route and on a particularly narrow bit a bloke was putting up scaffolding around a chip shop in Lewes in Sussex. The lorry took up 2/3rds of the road width, meaning I had to drive onto the narrow footway, and the scaffolding ran out to the middle of the narrow road, Fisher Street at the junction with Market Lane, the fish shop being The Friar. The friendly, open attitude of scaffold lorry drivers was apparent in the response to my questioning.

In his temper at having to take down the scaffolding he actually missed the lorry when throwing one pole onto it.

gshughes

1,324 posts

281 months

Tuesday 21st May 2013
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Derek Smith said:
Scaffolding poles do slide off the back of lorries. A number have been reported to the police as found int he road..

There is a colour code for scaffolding poles and normally the companies are only too willing to accept them back except when they have fallen off their lorries.

The problem arises, so I was told, with the poor suspension of the lorries. They bounce about a bit and if they are not tied down then this negates any advantages of friction. The legislation does mention a load being secured by more than its own weight.

Loads can shift. There can be few drivers who have not followed a scaffolding lorry that is leaning to one side.

On the morning of the Tour de France run around Brighton some years ago I drove my police car along the route and on a particularly narrow bit a bloke was putting up scaffolding around a chip shop in Lewes in Sussex. The lorry took up 2/3rds of the road width, meaning I had to drive onto the narrow footway, and the scaffolding ran out to the middle of the narrow road, Fisher Street at the junction with Market Lane, the fish shop being The Friar. The friendly, open attitude of scaffold lorry drivers was apparent in the response to my questioning.

In his temper at having to take down the scaffolding he actually missed the lorry when throwing one pole onto it.
Hope you carefully checked his tyres, lights etc etc!

Dr Doofenshmirtz

16,824 posts

226 months

Tuesday 21st May 2013
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I think I'd be giving that lorry a wide berth!
I would hate to see the resulting carnage if it made a hazard avoidance maneuver!

pacoryan

671 posts

257 months

Tuesday 21st May 2013
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I was passing a scaffold truck on a roundabout in Wandsworth that lost the whole lot to the side I was passing on. Luckily I had been "spirited" off the lights and created a big gap between me and the car behind, which proptly became a sea of poles, clamps and planks.

Nickyboy

6,811 posts

260 months

Tuesday 21st May 2013
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GaryGlitter said:
Beg to differ. I've seen what happens when an unsecured scaffold pole remains at the traffic lights when the truck drives off.
Well in 20 years of driving i've never seen any poles come loose. If they're loaded properly then no amount of hard acceleration will shift them. The trucks just don't have the speed to do it. If its just dumped on the back haphazardly then yes its possible

Funkateer

990 posts

201 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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The scaffolding lorry's load looks a lot more secure than this...


Dwight VanDriver

6,583 posts

270 months

Wednesday 22nd May 2013
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Enters stage left<<<<<<<<<<

Doffs cap and bows

"Reg 100 MV (Construction and Use) regs, 1986"

"Eye thenkyew"

departs stage right.>>>>>>>>>>>