RE: Citroen DS3 Racing: Spotted
RE: Citroen DS3 Racing: Spotted
Thursday 23rd May 2013

Citroen DS3 Racing: Spotted

It could have been so much more but at least now it costs a hell of a lot less!



All the ingredients were in place for the Citroen DS3 Racing to be a superb hot hatch. The standard DSport 155 was a fun and capable car to start, the 1.6-litre turbo engine had already proved itself in the Mini JCW and there was also Citroen's enviable rally success to draw upon.

Citroen Racing's input masked by graphics
Citroen Racing's input masked by graphics
So why can a 2012 car with just 924 miles be bought for less than 70 per cent of its original list price? Well, as a starter, let's begin with the cost. At £23,100, the DS3 Racing was around £7,000 more than the DSport 155 but, more importantly, a good deal pricier than many of its rivals too. The £17,000 Renaultsport Clio Cup is the obvious example but even those after a 'premium' hot hatch opt for a VW Polo GTI or Mini JCW for less cash.

As just 200 came to Britain, Citroen felt exclusivity partly justified the premium. And as Chris Harris discussed with the M3 GTS recently, hiking up the price of a limited-run model with lots of orange bits (oh, and some improvements over the standard car) can be traumatic for new sales but actually help residual values as so few are sold.

Though it's largely unreasonable to compare a £20K hot hatch with a £100K V8 coupe, there's a key reason why this didn't happen with the DS3 Racing; unlike the GTS, it simply didn't offer that much more over the standard car.

Shame the money wasn't spent on oily bits
Shame the money wasn't spent on oily bits
The DS3 155 is an accomplished hot hatch, one with a slightly more relaxed demeanour than some more hyper rivals like the Mini Cooper S. For the Racing, many expected the shackles to be discarded and a truly hardcore Clio Cup rival to emerge. A Saxo VTS with a dash of maturity. What emerged was a quicker 155 with some carbon fibre trinkets.

That's not to say it was a bad pocket rocket; it just didn't engage like its best rivals, felt slower than a Mini JCW that used the same engine and often struggled putting 203lb ft down on the road.

But perhaps worse than all of this, Citroen shot itself in the foot with the marketing of the DS3 Racing. Since the Saxo, the VTR and VTS badges had been tarnished with applications on the rear of minicabs and MPVs and so probably wasn't suitable. But there was (and remains) a very successful WRC driver by the name of Sebastien Loeb who was employed by Citroen and had already seen his name emblazoned on some dire C2 and C4 specials.

A lot more appealing without the stupid price
A lot more appealing without the stupid price
So why didn't Citroen really get Loeb involved, make a limited edition DS3 befitting of the great man and deliver something akin to a tarmac-spec WRC car with the Racing? The nameplate was used as Citroen Racing, its rally team, were involved with the engineering but surely the Loeb cachet would have been stronger? A shorter set of gear ratios, some expensive dampers and less weight would transform the DS3. Citroen may have had to sell more to make the investment back, but at least it would be worth the premium.

Look at how Vauxhall rejuvenated the Corsa VXR with the Nurburgring package. Yes, it was expensive, but the car was markedly improved through the fitment of a Drexler diff and Bilstein dampers. It too has experienced similar depreciation to the Racing but at least the Corsa didn't suffer the unnecessary fanfare of being launched as a limited edition with questionable decals.

So the DS3 Racing appears something of a missed opportunity, and its residual values are reflecting that. It's certainly an intriguing and decent car, but one that could have been so much more.


Citroen DS3 Racing
Engine
: 1,598cc 4-cyl turbo
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Power (hp): 207@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 203@2,000-4,500rpm
MPG: 44.1
CO2: 149g/km
First registered: 2012
Price new: £23,100
Yours for: £16,000

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AndyWoodall

Original Poster:

2,712 posts

285 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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Never seen on on the roads.

stephen300o

15,464 posts

254 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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They are here.
One of the best looking cars made at the moment.

S10GTA

13,680 posts

193 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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Quite like these, but not in orange!

Gusto

608 posts

259 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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£7k for 924 miles of "fun"? Wow. Just wow.

Bladedancer

1,458 posts

222 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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Dont get me wrong, it might be a great car, but I think only a spotty teenager who thinks he "has a way with the ladies" would drive a car that looks like that.

Kitchski

6,549 posts

257 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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article said:
But perhaps worse than all of this, Citroen shot itself in the foot with the marketing of the DS3 Racing. Since the Saxo, the VTR and VTS badges had been tarnished with applications on the rear of minicabs and MPVs and so probably wasn't suitable. But there was (and remains) a very successful WRC driver by the name of Sebastien Loeb who was employed by Citroen and had already seen his name emblazoned on some dire C2 and C4 specials.
VTS badge has been tarnished on the back of what, exactly? VTR, sure. But which regular models have tarnished the VTS badge then? There have only been the Saxo VTS, Xsara VTS, C2 VTS and C4 VTS. The Saxo and Xsara in particular were great (backed up by PHs love of the Peugeot GTi).

I was also unaware that PH's view of the C2 VTS is that it's "dire". Ok it's not the best of the bunch, but "dire"? Seems a bit strong, what's this founded on? C4 By Loeb did have some lame variants (1.6 models) but there was also the 2.0 VTS 180 version. Granted it's a bit of slouch, but again, "dire"?!

Sounds picky I'm sure, but if you're going to print articles in the public domain.....

deadmau5

3,197 posts

206 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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I have only ever seen one of these and now I know why with there being only 200 made.

Jamie VTS

1,238 posts

173 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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Kitchski said:
VTS badge has been tarnished on the back of what, exactly? VTR, sure. But which regular models have tarnished the VTS badge then? There have only been the Saxo VTS, Xsara VTS, C2 VTS and C4 VTS. The Saxo and Xsara in particular were great (backed up by PHs love of the Peugeot GTi).

I was also unaware that PH's view of the C2 VTS is that it's "dire". Ok it's not the best of the bunch, but "dire"? Seems a bit strong, what's this founded on? C4 By Loeb did have some lame variants (1.6 models) but there was also the 2.0 VTS 180 version. Granted it's a bit of slouch, but again, "dire"?!

Sounds picky I'm sure, but if you're going to print articles in the public domain.....
I agree, I drive a C2 VTS and yes its not greatest car of all time, but for a cheap to buy/run/insure warm hatch it has done pretty well!

Andy ap

1,147 posts

198 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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I think this car stands for almost everything i hate about modern cars (looking like a car shaped hot air baloon for one) but for some unknown reason i quite like it, something to do with being pointlessly quirky.

chickensoup

469 posts

281 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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stephen300o said:
They are here.
One of the best looking cars made at the moment.
And yet I think it is the ugliest, they even made it ginger

mikebradford

3,100 posts

171 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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love or hate it
at least its not boring like the majority of cars

why do we lust after the supercars of the world, exclusivity, performance, beauty (increasingly rare) fun etc

maybe not quite the correct analogy, but would rather see a few more manufacturers turning out limited run, specials even if more are miss than hit.
than see another 5% of the grey S line audis, and msport bmws

thats not to say the audis & BMWs are not technically better cars and more fit for purpose, but the roads are dull with them
and i miss the thrill of catching a glimpse of something not run of the mill



ukaskew

10,642 posts

247 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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Just make a proper VTR/VTS version of the C1 already, 100-110bhp, job done.

Bullett

11,157 posts

210 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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They look nice as standard but the graphics really chav that up to the point that anyone who wants it can't afford it and anyone who can afford it doesn't want it.


StefanVXR8

3,619 posts

224 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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It has a fatally flawed engine. I stupidly bought one brand new in May 2011, rejected it in December 2011 and was given a brand new replacement. This developed an identical engine fault and was also rejected in January 2012. It took a lot of hard work and threats to get very penny back.

There are plenty of other DS3 Racing owners who had the same issue so it comes as no surprise that there are plenty for sale on the used market, I have no doubt all there for a reason.

To be avoided like the plague.

Stef

soad

34,447 posts

202 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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StefanVXR8 said:
It has a fatally flawed engine. I stupidly bought one brand new in May 2011, rejected it in December 2011 and was given a brand new replacement. This developed an identical engine fault and was also rejected in January 2012. It took a lot of hard work and threats to get very penny back.

There are plenty of other DS3 Racing owners who had the same issue so it comes as no surprise that there are plenty for sale on the used market, I have no doubt all there for a reason.

To be avoided like the plague.

Stef
That doesn't sound good. Maybe just the early ones?

StefanVXR8

3,619 posts

224 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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soad said:
That doesn't sound good. Maybe just the early ones?
They were all pretty much built at the same time I think. Many have had new engines in an attempt to fix them.

Stef

stephen300o

15,464 posts

254 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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chickensoup said:
stephen300o said:
They are here.
One of the best looking cars made at the moment.
And yet I think it is the ugliest, they even made it ginger
Well what has ginger got to do with being ugly? Redheads are in the main, awesome.
You look at Ford, Vauxhaul, Renault and Peugeot, not one of them are making good looking cars. Korea are making better looking cars than that group now.

stephen300o

15,464 posts

254 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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anonymous said:
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16k for a Cayman, I had no idea they were so worthless.

405dogvan

5,329 posts

291 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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£16K is still WAY too much for that - I like how it looks but their reliability reputation is bad and it's just a bit too 'sudden' for more people's tastes.

When they're £5K I might be interested smile

Amirhussain

11,606 posts

189 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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Great looking cars, would take the normal DS3 though over this.