RE: Ringside Seat: speed cameras
RE: Ringside Seat: speed cameras
Friday 7th June 2013

Ringside Seat: speed cameras

What is it about cameras and cars that inspires so much trouble?



Enforcing an unenforcable law is hard work. In many people's eyes the Nurburgring's 'no camera' rule, in force since spring 2007 until 2013, was one of those pointless rules. It took way too much time and effort to realistically enforce it, and those that were determined to flaunt the rule seemed to do so with impunity.

No need for hidden camera set-ups any more
No need for hidden camera set-ups any more
And despite this house rule of no video being allowed during public sessions running for six years, I've spoken to hundreds of people who had no idea this rule even existed. 10 seconds on Google will reveal that dozens and sometimes hundreds of videos would appear from Touristenfahrten each and every month.

The theory was that by banning cameras, no embarrassing video footage of fatalities or injuries would leave the premises, thus protecting even the craziest of public sessions from too much political scrutiny.

In practice it just didn't work. Technology advanced to the point where a HD camera could be hidden in a pen or key fob. Or cars would be inspected at the gates, only for them to stop on the track again to re-fit cameras. A complicated procedure that not just caused many accidents, but also ironically resulted in videos of these accidents being uploaded to YouTube. Total fail.

In 2009 the money-making masterminds of the Nurburgring's doomed rebirth decided to rent out GoPro cameras to customers of the public session. The (laughable) idea was that each and every SD card would be inspected for footage of crashes before being handed over to the waiting customer. But if half-a-dozen customers rent a camera every hour, each recording an hour's footage per rental, would you want the job of checking all that footage? The impossible to enforce rule had then resulted in an impossible to police product.

Literally everyone has been at it, even van drivers
Literally everyone has been at it, even van drivers
I'm delighted to announce that this madness has apparently ended. Back in March we heard on the grapevine that cameras wouldn't be stopped at the gates anymore as the marshals had "more important things to do". Then, only this week, I finally checked the AGBs (terms and conditions) of the new Nurburgring operating company and found that video for personal use is now officially OK.

I should be over the moon, right? I can use my cameras all the time. Onboard videos are also really good news for anybody who lands in court as a result of an accident that they don't believe was their fault.

But some people are less than happy. They're worried the new rule could bring unwanted attention to the 'ring.

Case in point; last Sunday's TF session. It was a bad one. Nothing unusual in the scheme of things. I've seen worse days over the last decade. Eight closures in one day? Nothing too special. But never before have I been able to watch these accidents minutes after they've happened.

Hand-held footage more queasy than the ride
Hand-held footage more queasy than the ride
My social media feeds were on fire! It seemed that every accident and incident had a corresponding video that had been uploaded by smartphone within minutes. The crashing Civic, the crashing rental cars here and here. But what's even more interesting is that all that bad news is NOT from onboard the car - it's from illustrious individuals trackside. On public access land pointing their cameras wherever they want to.

Should more people see how dangerous the 'ring is? Or should we protect the last public playground for petrolheads? I'd be interested to hear your views on it.

Photos: Jorg at Ringbilder 

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MikeG88

Original Poster:

148 posts

159 months

Friday 7th June 2013
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Haters gonna hate......

Motorrad

6,811 posts

213 months

Friday 7th June 2013
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Show the truth- might make some of the currently 'wreckless' morons out there decide to learn the track before going out there and getting all 'Maldonado'.......

Captain Muppet

8,540 posts

291 months

Friday 7th June 2013
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PH said:
But some people are less than happy. They're worried the new rule could bring unwanted attention to the 'ring.
I agree completely, drawing attention to these incidents is not in the best interests of the 'ring.

Although if it generates a bit of traffic on PH maybe we can draw a little attention to it.

Strawman

6,463 posts

233 months

Friday 7th June 2013
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That Civic crash looks scary. Most ring videos are tedious and as the article says have been uploaded in dizzying quantities for the last 10 years, can't see this changing.

Cupradan

42 posts

177 months

Friday 7th June 2013
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It has always been billed as "the green hell" and "one of the most dangerous circuits......in the world". I think everybody knows about the risks etc

Pablo68

910 posts

161 months

Friday 7th June 2013
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Personally I think it's good for everyone to see what kind of racing driver wannabe tools inhabit the 'Ring on public days. I'm afraid there is absolutely no chance I would ever take my own car on there.

Adenauer

18,976 posts

262 months

Friday 7th June 2013
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Captain Muppet said:
I agree completely, drawing attention to these incidents is not in the best interests of the 'ring.

Although if it generates a bit of traffic on PH maybe we can draw a little attention to it.
I 'like' this biggrin

Jibberingloon

851 posts

226 months

Friday 7th June 2013
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Who cares, even if they try to enforce everyone will just use a camera regardless if they want to, and if they do let people use a camera great.

As for people shooting on the public access points again who cares.

The ring is there to be respected, there are enough horror storys out there to put people off, so what is another few thousand videos on YouTube going to do?


THE RING IS THERE TO BE RESPECTED & ENJOYED............If you dont know how to drive properly, dont go, and dont put other people in danger with your rice rocket and piss poor driver skills.....


"Thats my Friday 2p"

RS404

319 posts

228 months

Friday 7th June 2013
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If the video where the guy collides with the 6 series BMW is representative of the style of driving on there it would certainly put me off! What a pair of knobs rolleyes.

This one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKjZK81NqIE&fea...

hornetrider

63,161 posts

231 months

Friday 7th June 2013
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RS404 said:
If the video where the guy collides with the 6 series BMW is representative of the style of driving on there it would certainly put me off! What a pair of knobs rolleyes.

This one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKjZK81NqIE&fea...
What a fecking numpty (the 207 driver) - you can see that happening a mile off.

SmartVenom

462 posts

195 months

Friday 7th June 2013
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Sh*t will still happen whether it's filmed or not. Attempting to block footage of it happening serves no purpose.

Also maybe, just maybe, if the reason for wanting to restrict footage is to avoid showing some accidents that possibly could have been avoided then some questions should be asked about how the track is controlled. Every time you go on a track you sign that you accept the risks, but does that really mean you are happy for someone else's poor/dangerous driving to potentially cause you severe harm when maybe a quiet word with the driver could have helped? Surest way to end something is to be responsible for avoidable deaths.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

216 months

Friday 7th June 2013
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Captain Muppet said:
PH said:
But some people are less than happy. They're worried the new rule could bring unwanted attention to the 'ring.
I agree completely, drawing attention to these incidents is not in the best interests of the 'ring.

Although if it generates a bit of traffic on PH maybe we can draw a little attention to it.
lol, accepting the irony of your statement. I think the whole negative media attention is completely wrong.

If you accept a person will drive fast and likely crash regardless of whether it's allowed or not. Then it makes perfect sense to offer a place that they can do it and with on hand safety marshal and first aid.

Lets face it, if people are to crash I'd rather it be at somewhere like the Ring or other public access venue (if any actually existed..) than be driving through the centre of a town a like a loony and crashing in busy populated areas.

Jibberingloon

851 posts

226 months

Friday 7th June 2013
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I think this should be turned into how many Ring Fail You tube videos we can link!

S2000 = FAIL lots of time in the first few minutes!

http://youtu.be/IfHJCv_S6iI

Jibberingloon

851 posts

226 months

Friday 7th June 2013
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PS.... RING ARMCO is fookin solid stuff!!!

Jibberingloon

851 posts

226 months

Friday 7th June 2013
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More noobs

http://youtu.be/KRglAtxdmDg

Edited by Jibberingloon on Friday 7th June 14:56

m444ttb

3,178 posts

255 months

Friday 7th June 2013
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I'm glad I don't have my three laps on video. Not least because they are embarrassingly slow in the greasy wet/dry conditions! Still, I didn’t crash and therefore did better than quite a few.

predding

457 posts

242 months

Friday 7th June 2013
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Dunno - just wanted to say thanks for the brill picture of the UR Quattro in the wet cool

predding

457 posts

242 months

Friday 7th June 2013
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hornetrider said:
What a fecking numpty (the 207 driver) - you can see that happening a mile off.
Totally - though this is how they all drive in Italy/France (the car in front has an Italian rego so likely its his mate with the big thumbs-up) ie stuff making any attempt at avoiding action.

I laughed so much I watched it 3 times...pity we didn't see the huge German getting out of his 6er and do a Kimi on him...that would have been a belter of a finish to that Fail clip

predding

457 posts

242 months

Friday 7th June 2013
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Pablo68 said:
Personally I think it's good for everyone to see what kind of racing driver wannabe tools inhabit the 'Ring on public days. I'm afraid there is absolutely no chance I would ever take my own car on there.
Totally - sharing the track with all those nutters - not a chance. Best value is park up in the pits, perv on all the serious metal and then go watch the crash test dummies...

It all reminds me of how Clarkson sh*t his pants in the diesel Jag, then Sabine came along and just put him back in his box...

Pablo68

910 posts

161 months

Friday 7th June 2013
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predding said:
Pablo68 said:
Personally I think it's good for everyone to see what kind of racing driver wannabe tools inhabit the 'Ring on public days. I'm afraid there is absolutely no chance I would ever take my own car on there.
Totally - sharing the track with all those nutters - not a chance. Best value is park up in the pits, perv on all the serious metal and then go watch the crash test dummies...

It all reminds me of how Clarkson sh*t his pants in the diesel Jag, then Sabine came along and just put him back in his box...
Lol yup.

I think we need to compile a list of all (UK) registration plates seen on the 'Ring videos into a "DO NOT BUY THESE CARS" list smile