Anyone else find this depressing...

[300bhp/ton]

And it's not that I don't like diesels either, I'm actually rather a fan of them.

[nsa]

Think I remember a report saying the diesel engine in this car was the pick of the bunch though.

[KTF]

Not depressing if you want to sell them to the fleet market.

[Garlick]

It is a very, very good engine. I'd choose it in my XF fo' sure.

[FourWheelDrift]

Or look at it this way, 1557 owners of diesel XFs want to get rid of them but only 148 people want to sell their petrol engined XF.

[nickfrog]

What would be interesting is to check the difference in second hand value between "equivalent" XF diesel vs petrol.

There may be a point where the petrol might make more sense as a second hand buy.

[300bhp/ton]

I guess it's just the ratio of petrol to diesel cars available. But I guess it goes to show how things have changed.

Imagine being back in 1999 and saying "I'm going to own a diesel Jag...", it'd have sounded pretty barmy. Now if you fancy an XF on the used market you'd actually need to work damn hard to buy a petrol powered one.

[V8RX7]

Garlick said:

It is a very, very good engine.

I'm sure it is for the new buyer (which of course is the point for new car sales / buyers)

However I'm sure once they are 5-8yrs old with 100k+ I'm equally sure there will be some HUGE bills associated with them that the petrol variants won't suffer with.

Of course built in obsolescence also means more new car sales...

[0llie]

The fact that they have been able to sell so many more by offering a diesel option can only be a good thing for the company/economy/employees of JLR/local area.

It's a fantastic engine wrapped in a brilliant car, and I would really like one

[300bhp/ton]

0llie said:

The fact that they have been able to sell so many more by offering a diesel option can only be a good thing for the company/economy/employees of JLR/local area.

It's a fantastic engine wrapped in a brilliant car, and I would really like one

I suppose the real shame will come when they stop offering the petrol engine for the UK market. Just like LR have done with certain models.

[0llie]

300bhp/ton said:

I suppose the real shame will come when they stop offering the petrol engine for the UK market. Just like LR have done with certain models.

There will always be demand for the top-end petrol models for those who must have the best. And long may they continue to buy them

Thing is, I've had a steer in the new SDV8 Range Rover, and honestly cannot see the reason for buying the Supercharged Petrol engine variant. I can usually see a way around these things, but it was so competent in almost every area (save perhaps for the noise of a howling V8).

[CraigyMc]

300bhp/ton said:

0llie said:

The fact that they have been able to sell so many more by offering a diesel option can only be a good thing for the company/economy/employees of JLR/local area.

It's a fantastic engine wrapped in a brilliant car, and I would really like one

I suppose the real shame will come when they stop offering the petrol engine for the UK market. Just like LR have done with certain models.

It'd be more of a shame if they made a loss attempting to sell cars nobody will buy to the UK market, and that resulted in them having to cut costs (people).

C

[kambites]

currybum said:

V8RX7 said:

Of course built in obsolescence also means more new car sales...

Good grief ...do you actually believe that nonsense?

It's certainly been proven to be true in some consumer products.

I think in cars it would be fairer to say that the manufacturer has little interest in how their cars perform later in life; I doubt they go out of their way to make them fail, but I equally doubt they're willing to put a great deal of effort into making their cars last for decades.

[podwin]

I saw a 320i the other day, I was amazed, and a little happy.

[nickfrog]

currybum said:

V8RX7 said:

Of course built in obsolescence also means more new car sales...

Good grief ...do you actually believe that nonsense?

I do. No doubt in my mind actually. Manufacturers don't make money out of second hand car sales. And I don't think they lose sales because some bearded weirdo who was never gonna buy new in the first place bought a 8 year old car that he thinks is not fit for purpose anymore. I genuinely hope I am wrong btw.

[Sixpackpert]

Got the 2.2d 200bhp in mine, cracking engine.

[Bear Phils]

kambites said:

currybum said:

V8RX7 said:

Of course built in obsolescence also means more new car sales...

Good grief ...do you actually believe that nonsense?

It's certainly been proven to be true in some consumer products.

I think in cars it would be fairer to say that the manufacturer has little interest in how their cars perform later in life; I doubt they go out of their way to make them fail, but I equally doubt they're willing to put a great deal of effort into making their cars last for decades.

It's not so much built in obsolescence as built down to a price. Lower costs to make and consumers needing parts down the line. Win, win.

[kambites]

nickfrog said:

...And I don't think they lose sales because some bearded weirdo who was never gonna buy new in the first place bought a 8 year old car that he thinks is not fit for purpose anymore...

I think you'll find they do! Residuals (either in their own right or via their effect on hire rates) have a huge effect on new buyers' decisions.

Obviously there is a balance to be struck; manufacturers don't want to spend a fortune making sure the 11th owner never breaks down, but equally if the car is going to fall to bits after four years, no-one is going to buy it new even if they only intend to keep it for three.

[markmullen]

It's a mid sized wafter. Why would you go for a petrol? I can see the appeal in an XFR, but otherwise diesel has to be the choice.

[Fire99]

No doubt the diesel in the XF is supremely capable but personally I hate diesel with a passion and a bad road we've been steered down (emissions wise)
I can see why people go for that engine though